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  • NitneeNut said...

    My interpretation of "THE" OSU has always been that they (meaning the players/fanbase) felt the need to try and distinguish themselves from OHIO University and Miami of OHIO...Miami (Fla) started THE U moniker following the Schellnberger regime when they were winning NCs, sending entire classes (it seemed) into the NFL and thugging their way into the mainstream. IMO, the last five or six years have relegated that moniker for those older veterans that remain in the NFL. Fewer and fewer Hurricane players are using it (thankfully).

    I honestly do consider OSU the closest thing to a rival in the B1G 10, primarily because of the proximity, recruiting wars, fanbase, and history of games since we came into the league. That's what college football is all about, and why there is an OHIO STATE week, in Happy Valley and PENN STATE week in Columbus.

    I thought Miami called themselves Da U because they couldn't spell university (or the).

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  • Duplic8tor said...

    ... no one considers Iowa a 'Rival' except Iowa State, who beats their ass every year. I'd scratch that off your list just because its embarrassing. Hell, might as well consider Minnesota a rival.

    Iowa's had our number. The OSU series has been a bit more even. I don't see how this is a difficult concept. Sounding a bit jealous that *shocking* OSU isn't the only team we've hated for the last 10 years.

    And by the way, the downvote probably came because of the stupid crap you've been saying on your own board, like: "we need it to pound their asses like Jerry Sandusky."

    This post was edited by psubills62 on 10/26/2012 at 1:10 PM

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  • Duplic8tor said...

    Ham - I'm not ranting. I really don't care about the moniker. I didn't post to debate it, I just wanted a little history lesson in who great PSU LB's might be, and to see if I know them. Hell, I'm sure you can only recognize 1-2 name on the list I pasted. Secondly, if I wanted to "research" PSU LB's I wouldn't be on a board. You're really missing my OP. Lastly, that wasn't my list. I simply pasted it as purely information.

    PSU LBs from the recent past (last 7ish years):
    Navorro Bowman, Sean Lee, Paul Poz -- all were outstanding in college, now #1 LBs on their NFL teams
    Dan Connor, Josh Hull, Derek (Cameron) Wake -- very good in college, now starters on their NFL teams
    Tim Shaw -- not sure if he's a starter in the NFL, but a good player in college
    Tamba Hali -- DE in college, now 3-4 OLB. Completely dominant in both college and NFL, but not sure where to put him

    A couple greats from the way-back machine:
    Jack Ham -- some consider him the best LB of all time.
    Shane Conlan -- 2-time AA, National Championship winner, multiple pro bowls in the NFL
    Lavar Arrington -- physical freak, AA, Butkus/Lambert/Bednarik winner, multiple pro bowls in the NFL. I have seen very few players more dominant in college football than LA was in 1999.

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  • Duplic8tor said...

    In the last 10+ years, no one has put more players into the NFL than Ohio State. That's a fact.

    Yeah, has nothing to do with having those players then actually play decently in the NFL.

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  • craztch said...

    PSU LBs from the recent past (last 7ish years): Navorro Bowman, Sean Lee, Paul Poz -- all were outstanding in college, now #1 LBs on their NFL teams Dan Connor, Josh Hull, Derek (Cameron) Wake -- very good in college, now starters on their NFL teams Tim Shaw -- not sure if he's a starter in the NFL, but a good player in college Tamba Hali -- DE in college, now 3-4 OLB. Completely dominant in both college and NFL, but not sure where to put him

    A couple greats from the way-back machine: Jack Ham -- some consider him the best LB of all time. Shane Conlan -- 2-time AA, National Championship winner, multiple pro bowls in the NFL Lavar Arrington -- physical freak, AA, Butkus/Lambert/Bednarik winner, multiple pro bowls in the NFL. I have seen very few players more dominant in college football than LA was in 1999.

    Gregg Buttle - long time NY Jet;
    Larry Kubin
    Ed O'Neil
    Brandon Short
    Skorupan
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    Matt Millen - long time pro career

    all of these guys were very good collegiate players; garnered all-American honors at some point at least once. Some had more success than others in the pros, but most were in the league at least 5 years.

    Hamilton Lion

  • Duplic8tor said...

    Ham - I'm not ranting. I really don't care about the moniker. I didn't post to debate it, I just wanted a little history lesson in who great PSU LB's might be, and to see if I know them. Hell, I'm sure you can only recognize 1-2 name on the list I pasted. Secondly, if I wanted to "research" PSU LB's I wouldn't be on a board. You're really missing my OP. Lastly, that wasn't my list. I simply pasted it as purely information.

    Please excuse my tone than if you didn't know. It was uncalled for. Too many OSU fans come over here heated about this topic and get very sarcastic towards the PSU list, like there is no one on it.

    Hamilton Lion

  • OSU has certainly had some great linebackers throughout the years, but Laurinaitis was one of the most over rated players in college football. There's a reason he was nicknamed "pile diver". Even in the NFL, most of his tackles are 5 yards downfield.

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  • Georgem80 said...

    Honestly, when PSU apologized, I took that as an admission of guilt. That is my version.

    I have been reading multiple boards for over a year. I assumed that this board was different from the one I always read. I don't post over there, because idiots tear apart every syllable of a post instead of looking at the post in general. Things don't change from board to board. Back to simply reading.

    When you finally make a good point, we can put one of those stupid stickers on your helmet so the whole nation can see how great you are.

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  • Duplic8tor said...

    I'm sure many fans consider it to be the case, but it is simply a matter of being the official name of the school. Nothing more.

    Penn State's official name is "The Pennsylvania State University". The dropped "College" and replaced it with "University" in the 1950s. I believe I may have heard one or two Pro-player intros as being from "The Pennsylvania State University"

    When I hear 'buck alums say "THE Ohio State University the emphasis is always THEE they never say Thuh.

    Anyway WE ARE...and always will be PENN STATE!

    Go State beat the Buckeyes on Saturday

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  • Duplic8tor said...

    There have been a few names I've recognized in replies to my OP, but most I don't recognize (of PSU players). If you asked me the same question, I'd easily name several, such as AJ Hawk, Bobby Carpenter, Chris Spielman, N'ail Diggs, Pepper Johnson, Steve Tovar, James Laurinaitis, ... but here's a little more detail. (detail credit to Zeuslerus, Bucknuts.com)

    1. Randy Gradishar (1971-73; All-Pro 7 times in 10 yrs.; played in 1 Super Bowl; 2-time All-American)
    2. Chris Spielman (1984-87; All-Pro 4 times in 13 yrs.; 2-time All-American; team MVP)
    3. A. J. Hawk (2002-05; All-Pro 1 time in 7 years; won 1 Super Bowl; 2-time All-American; team MVP; nat. champ.)
    4. Pepper Johnson (1982-85; 13 years in the NFL; won 2 Super Bowls; All-American)
    5. James Laurinaitis (2005-08; 4 yrs. in the NFL; 3-time All-American; Butkus, Nagurski, and Lott winner)
    6. Tom Cousineau (1975-78; 9 yrs. pro in CFL and NFL; 2-time All-American; team MVP)
    7. Steve Tovar (1989-92; 8 yrs. in the NFL; 2-time All-American)
    8. Ike Kelley (1963-65; 7 years in the NFL; 2-time All-American)
    9. Na'il Diggs (1997-99; 12 years in the NFL; All-American)
    10. Matt Wilhelm (1999-02; 8 years in the NFL; All-American; national champion)
    11. Marcus Marek (1979-82; 3 yrs. pro; All-American)
    12. Andy Katzenmoyer (1996-98; 3 yrs. in the NFL; All-American; Butkus winner)
    13. Jim Laughlin (1977-79; 8 yrs. in the NFL; team MVP)
    14. Bobby Carpenter (2002-05; 7 yrs. in the NFL; national champion when he lettered his freshman year)
    15. Dirk Worden (1966-68; team MVP; national champion)
    16. Mark Stier (1966-68; team MVP; national champion)
    17. Dave Adkins (1974-77; team MVP)
    18. Derek Isaman (1985-89; team MVP; successful pro boxer after college)

    You consider Laurinitis dominant in the NFL? Carpenter is good, but I wouldn't call him particularly dominant.

    And if you didn't recognize the names I threw out there, you should brush up on the history of the game.

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  • Warner28 said...

    OSU has certainly had some great linebackers throughout the years, but Laurinaitis was one of the most over rated players in college football. There's a reason he was nicknamed "pile diver". Even in the NFL, most of his tackles are 5 yards downfield.

    Ha, first thing I thought of was Byron Evans of the Eagles. He did the same thing in the NFL, yet everyone raved about him.

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  • MTayl72 said...

    I'd like to point out that I was not mean.

    Calling Columbus a shit hole would not be classified as nice would it?

    shep777

  • shep777 said...

    Calling Columbus a shit hole would not be classified as nice would it?

    The truth can hurt. I'd say the same about Detroit, Memphis, parts of ATL, and absolutely Philadelphia along with plenty of other cities.

    MTayl72

  • shep777 said...

    Calling Columbus a shit hole would not be classified as nice would it?

    Is it mean to state facts? Isnt that just objective observing? biggrin

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  • Texas Lion said...

    You consider Laurinitis dominant in the NFL? Carpenter is good, but I wouldn't call him particularly dominant.

    And if you didn't recognize the names I threw out there, you should brush up on the history of the game.

    No reasonable fan would argue with the linebackers that have played at PSU and the many succesful linebackers that went on to have great careers in the NFL......PSU is definitely linebacker U and it's a well deserved moniker. I haven't followed Laurinitis career very closely in the NFL but a few weeks back they were on Thursday night football against the Cardinals. They pointed out during the game that in 2011 Laurinitis played every defense snapped for the Rams in 2011. That's pretty impressive in this day and age of specialization. For a MLB to never leave the field is quite an accomplishment. He's not an all-pro type player but he's a solid NFL linebacker.

    shep777

  • MTayl72 said...

    The truth can hurt. I'd say the same about Detroit, Memphis, parts of ATL, and absolutely Philadelphia along with plenty of other cities.

    Not sure where you live. I live in a northern Suburb of Columbus. It's a wonderful town to raise a family. You may or may not know this but Eric Clapton owns a home here as his wife is from Columbus. He was spotted about 2 weeks ago out shopping. When asked by his friend Rod Stewart where he should buy a home in the States he did not hesitate to suggest Columbus. For you to put Columbus in the same category as Detroit (murder capital of the world), Memphis, ATL and Philly just suggest to me you either have not spent much time in Columbus or you went to a part of town that I have never been to in my 50 plus years in the area. Apparently you live in fantasyland.

    shep777

  • Texas Lion said...

    You consider Laurinitis dominant in the NFL? Carpenter is good, but I wouldn't call him particularly dominant.

    And if you didn't recognize the names I threw out there, you should brush up on the history of the game.

    Carpenter is the farthest thing from good.
    His own teammates called him "Barbie" Carpenter because he absolutely sucked.

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  • RWC5113 said...

    Carpenter is the farthest thing from good. His own teammates called him "Barbie" Carpenter because he absolutely sucked.

    Agreed.....Carpenter has been at best a journeyman. Certainly a bust as a first round pick for the Cowboys. I actually thought he would have a solid NFL career with his size but he just isn't a player. As his nickname suggests he's not overly fond of mixing it up.

    shep777

  • shep777 said...

    Not sure where you live. I live in a northern Suburb of Columbus. It's a wonderful town to raise a family. You may or may not know this but Eric Clapton owns a home here as his wife is from Columbus. He was spotted about 2 weeks ago out shopping. When asked by his friend Rod Stewart where he should buy a home in the States he did not hesitate to suggest Columbus. For you to put Columbus in the same category as Detroit (murder capital of the world), Memphis, ATL and Philly just suggest to me you either have not spent much time in Columbus or you went to a part of town that I have never been to in my 50 plus years in the area. Apparently you live in fantasyland.

    Just like every other decently sized town. Parts are shit holes. When I go visit your Governor I'll let you know more. To be fair, last I checked it had a surprisingly high violent crime rate, top 50 or so. Not that our cap is better, actually far worse. Rsh of gang violence from the Windy City has been moving down.

    You may not like it, but I'm fair.

    Also since when should I start giving a flying fuck about what Eric Clapton and Rod Stewart say about where to live? Great expert opinions there. And you even said it, you live in the burbs, that isn't Columbus.

    This post was edited by MTayl72 on 10/26/2012 at 5:41 PM

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  • MTayl72 said...

    Just like every other decently sized town. Parts are shit holes. When I go visit your Governor I'll let you know more. To be fair, last I checked it had a surprisingly high violent crime rate, top 50 or so. Not that our cap is better, actually far worse. Rsh of gang violence from the Windy City has been moving down.

    You may not like it, but I'm fair.

    No question that all decently sized towns have bad areas that you want to avoid and Columbus is no different. As a city Columbus is 13th in population and as a metropolitan area we are 32nd I believe so to be in the top 50 for violent crime would be no surprise. If you use a broad brush to say Cbus is a shit hole that basically means our entire Country is a shit hole and you many not be wrong about that. Columbus is a midwestern town that you definitely could consider somewhat mundane and boring to a degree but we do have good people here by and large as do most towns.

    shep777

  • shep777 said...

    No question that all decently sized towns have bad areas that you want to avoid and Columbus is no different. As a city Columbus is 13th in population and as a metropolitan area we are 32nd I believe so to be in the top 50 for violent crime would be no surprise. If you use a broad brush to say Cbus is a shit hole that basically means our entire Country is a shit hole and you many not be wrong about that. Columbus is a midwestern town that you definitely could consider somewhat mundane and boring to a degree but we do have good people here by and large as do most towns.

    Also, I will say it is mainly from my colleagues who went on the last trip over. I've seen it reported a few other places. And like I said, more talking about Columbus proper. I know how the Burbs work, its a different brand of folks out there. Hell from my office in the Cap Complex I can see our shit hole section of town which jacked us way up in the last FBI ratings. Its unbelievable how segregated it is from the rest of the city proper though.

    When I have the fiscal meetings I'll explore. Like I said, I can be fair.

    MTayl72

  • shep777 said...

    ... Columbus is a midwestern town that you definitely could consider somewhat mundane and boring to a degree but we do have good people here by and large as do most towns.

    I prefer the Great Lakes region over the "Midwest". Great Lakes region includes Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania and New York. The Great Lakes region includes every B1G school except Iowa. And Iowa from border to border smells like cow manure, pig manure and horse manure. In other words, Iowa is the sh*ttiest school in the B1G. Then there's the cornhogger state, that's a topic for another thread.

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  • psufankc63 said...

    I prefer the Great Lakes region over the "Midwest". Great Lakes region includes Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania and New York. The Great Lakes region includes every B1G school except Iowa. And Iowa from border to border smells like cow manure, pig manure and horse manure. In other words, Iowa is the sh*ttiest school in the B1G. Then there's the cornhogger state, that's a topic for another thread.

    Midwest is all of it, Plains and Lakes is how we always talk about it. That said Iowa does suck, but Iowa City is fantastic. Wisconsin really blows all the way around though, I hated taking road trips up there for games. Southern Canadian bastards lol. Indiana, up in the Gary area smells too. And never drive through Decatur, IL if you don't like smells. Haha

    MTayl72

  • Bucknuts' "evidence" of the Urine Bombing at PSU campus. Notice this isn't the OSU band. Also, notice any urine? Urine is yellow, right? What's the color of the liquid tossed at the OSU shirts? I see some water bottles being tossed but Urine? You be the judge.

    Also, this is clearly a back alley in the Fraternity district. I wouldn't go in any back alley on Buckeye's campus wearing Penn State colors. I'm not saying they deserved the heckling, but even adolescents have better sense to go into hostile territory, amongst a bunch of drunk fanatics.

    FWIW, I'm still having difficulty uncovering any evidence of the 2005 OSU Band piss incident. I will continue to dig. But looking at the 48 second video here it's really no evidence.

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