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  • Quaddad said...

    that's right you are the jurisdiction guy. look at your post and look at mine and I think you will see who the under-educated one is by he words you use. the only question I had is when we get a good recruit he is crap even it your team tried to recruit him and stars don't matter but if you would have gotten him it would be totally different. Sorry if you don't agree jmo

    "one is by he words you use"

    What the hell are you trying to say here? Oh, that's right, you're educated. Right MENSA

    Or here:

    "even it your team tried to recruit him "

    Guess they don't teach you how to spell the big words like "if" in Ohio. You need to spend some time with a tutor and not on message boards.

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  • AllDay28 said...

    We will get one more TE in this class and Sprinkle is a DT not a DE for us.Also, Neal, one of our commits today who is listed at DE on 247 will play LB not DE. So those aren't really valid. We don't really need another QB. We have one commit this class Barrett and Marshall, who is likely to play WR, but was being recruited at a number of schools to play QB. We have CB's coming in and several already committed this year. What we really need is a couple more solid scholarship olineman and WRs. Those are our biggest needs. If we somehow fail to get one or two solid WRs and two or three olineman we will have neglected some needs, but we still have room in our class for those positions. So far, the only real concern is the lack of olineman, and if he gets those the "he only recruits stars and has bad roster management" argument will have no legs to stand on.

    AD28,

    Thanks for the break down again. Very useful. I was wondering if Meyer would start keeping fewer OL on the roster in the future than Tressel has in the past? I know it has been brought up that BOB might do that as he transitions towards a heavier set of skill position packages to have options.

    Thanks as always.

    MTayl72

  • Quaddad said...

    that's right you are the jurisdiction guy. look at your post and look at mine and I think you will see who the under-educated one is by he words you use. the only question I had is when we get a good recruit he is crap even it your team tried to recruit him and stars don't matter but if you would have gotten him it would be totally different. Sorry if you don't agree jmo

    If you look back at the thread, I don't think it was about OSU having worse recruits, I think you will find most here believe and actually state that OSU and UM in particular are doing very well on the trail this year. In fact that was the whole point of the OP.

    The discussion then changed to Meyer grabbing all the stars he can (yes indicative of good players) but maybe not managing his roster well. A little early perhaps, given only 1.5 cycles but seems to be taking players and not concerning himself with needs. IMO that is wht he did a Fla as well.

    It really doesn't seem like to difficult a topic.....

    And for the record, I would love to have some of your recruits, AA and your two CB's in particular.

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  • MTayl72 said...

    AD28,

    Thanks for the break down again. Very useful. I was wondering if Meyer would start keeping fewer OL on the roster in the future than Tressel has in the past? I know it has been brought up that BOB might do that as he transitions towards a heavier set of skill position packages to have options.

    Thanks as always.

    You know, I haven't heard much talk about him keeping fewer OL on the roster. I guess maybe that's a possibility. Tressel did always stack up on them. My issue, at least partly, is not just that I think we our thin at the position depth wise but that we are also thin there talent wise. I think Oline and then WR are our two biggest areas of need in the talent department and it is a little disconcerting not to see a more aggressive recruiting effort being sent that direction. It's especially a bit puzzling when Meyer spends so much time talking about the trenches and the way we've just hammered the DL recruiting trail. I do think we'll get the WRs/playmakers we need, though. But, until I see Pocic/Richardson/Johnson/etc commit i'm going to continue to be worried about the future of our oline.

    AllDay28

  • AllDay28 said...

    We will get one more TE in this class and Sprinkle is a DT not a DE for us.Also, Neal, one of our commits today who is listed at DE on 247 will play LB not DE. So those aren't really valid. We don't really need another QB. We have one commit this class Barrett and Marshall, who is likely to play WR, but was being recruited at a number of schools to play QB. We have CB's coming in and several already committed this year. What we really need is a couple more solid scholarship olineman and WRs. Those are our biggest needs. If we somehow fail to get one or two solid WRs and two or three olineman we will have neglected some needs, but we still have room in our class for those positions. So far, the only real concern is the lack of olineman, and if he gets those the "he only recruits stars and has bad roster management" argument will have no legs to stand on.

    Thx. As I said, not an OSU fan and don't follow their recruiting much or their roster. I wasn't sure who was on scollie and who was not or if they were looking at them in different spots. It is also to soon to say much about his roster mgmt based on 1.5 cycles, but his history with it in Fla was questionable. Whether that was because of recruiting or how players turned out is also debatable.

    Personally I like seeing UM and OSU with strong classes, it has always been my opinion that if you want to beat the best you need to play the best and the stronger the B1G is the better off we all are. I am not a huge UM fan so perhaps a little bias. I actually do hope he dosn't flake on you guys or hurt your program though, as I said, a strong B1G is better for all.

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  • PSURooster said...

    "one is by he words you use"

    What the hell are you trying to say here? Oh, that's right, you're educated. Right MENSA

    Or here:

    "even it your team tried to recruit him "

    Guess they don't teach you how to spell the big words like "if" in Ohio. You need to spend some time with a tutor and not on message boards.

    sorry for the type o's I didn't mean to upset you. and by the words he uses. Not once did I call him names or get personal like him. His family should be proud.

    Quaddad

  • AllDay28 said...

    You know, I haven't heard much talk about him keeping fewer OL on the roster. I guess maybe that's a possibility. Tressel did always stack up on them. My issue, at least partly, is not just that I think we our thin at the position depth wise but that we are also thin there talent wise. I think Oline and then WR are our two biggest areas of need in the talent department and it is a little disconcerting not to see a more aggressive recruiting effort being sent that direction. It's especially a bit puzzling when Meyer spends so much time talking about the trenches and the way we've just hammered the DL recruiting trail. I do think we'll get the WRs/playmakers we need, though. But, until I see Pocic/Richardson/Johnson/etc commit i'm going to continue to be worried about the future of our oline.

    Have you heard of any guys shying away at WR because of UM's system? Outside of Harvin they weren't featured in his spread (and even Harvin was not used like a typical WR).

    Surprisingly, PSU is pretty thin in talent (not quantity) at WR and has an NFL WR coach and has also been lagging there as well. Not a great year at WR in the region generally outside of Foster, so that could be a factor as well.

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  • MTayl72 said...

    And no one said that. Especially in this thread. Actually, one person I believe (beagles maybe) said that OSU has a lack of developing top rated guys. I think that is ridiculous, OSU has done phenomenal, as shown by their success lately.

    I'm quite happy with my Master's degree I am about to receive in about three weeks. 4.0 as well. My thesis is on the possible introduction of a defined contribution plan/option into a state's pension code and if it is financially feasible in the long-term and if short-term politics will allow it to happen in union-strong states such as Illinois. I know there are a lot of big words, so you can ask questions.

    You came to bait and twist words. You were proven to be a know-nothing asshole. Go home.

    P.S., sorry you do not understand jurisdictions. A dictionary (big book of words and their definitions [definition is the meaning of a word]) will help you with that.

    look at the alex commits to osu thread, 1st page see nit_wit and psuproud.

    Quaddad

  • AllDay28 said...

    So far, the only real concern is the lack of olineman, and if he gets those the "he only recruits stars and has bad roster management" argument will have no legs to stand on.

    So far if you include the last class of Urb's and this class, he has taken ...

    2 QB
    3 RB (wants one more)
    3 WR
    2 TE (wants one more)
    7 OL (wants one more at least)
    7 DE
    2 DT
    4 LB
    3 CB (still going after)
    3 S (still going after)
    2 UTL

    So ... you don't see numbers that stick out screaming roster mismanagement? He did this in Gainesville. He was nothing more than a star grab. Had excess at multiple positions every year and this is why five or six or seven of these high-end guys left the program.

    Granted, kids move to other positions ... so rumors of Cam "the Sham" moving from LB to a DB position takes one away from LB, but increases CB I would assume.

    Agree to disagree

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by Hamilton Lion on 4/23/2012 at 10:07 PM

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  • Hamilton Lion said...

    So far if you include the last class of Urb's and this class, he has taken ...

    2 QB 3 RB (wants one more) 3 WR 2 TE (wants one more) 7 OL (wants one more at least) 7 DE 2 DT 3 CB (still going after) 3 S (still going after) 2 UTL

    So ... you don't see numbers that stick out screaming roster mismanagement? He did this in Gainesville. He was nothing more than a star grab. Had excess at multiple positions every year and this is why five or six or seven of these high-end guys left the program.

    Granted, kids move to other positions ... so rumors of Cam "the Sham" moving from LB to a DB position takes one away from LB, but increases CB I would assume.

    Agree to disagree, but as I see - he is nothing more than a star grab and will have roster problems starting next year.

    You forgot to add the LB number. That was the one I was most interested in seeing...

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  • Quaddad said...

    So the ridiculous claim that Meyer is breaking out the cash to buy extra stars does not make Hamilton LIon look foolish. That proves my point. You see what you want to see as long as it makes you look good. You guys you be good spin doctors for the Gov.

    It's called sarcasm you moron. Did they not teach you that word in high school or at Central State U? Look it up. You might learn something.

    Hamilton Lion ●

  • Quaddad said...

    look at the alex commits to osu thread, 1st page see nit_wit and psuproud.

    We're in this thread. That thread was stupid. There are people on here that have been saying Alex was overrated since well before he committed to you guys. Many have argued against that. You put it in this thread, and even if someone in that locked thread said Alex is overrated (like you guys do to Taco Charlton and Michigan laughs at you, and like many of you said about Alex Breneman and we laugh at you about, I don't believe (not 100% here, admittedly) that anyone said your class is overrated or worse than ours. Which is what you claimed.

    Every single word I said, you have earned. Period.

    MTayl72

  • shavisimo2 said...

    You forgot to add the LB number. That was the one I was most interested in seeing...

    just added

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  • shavisimo2 said...

    Have you heard of any guys shying away at WR because of UM's system? Outside of Harvin they weren't featured in his spread (and even Harvin was not used like a typical WR).

    Surprisingly, PSU is pretty thin in talent (not quantity) at WR and has an NFL WR coach and has also been lagging there as well. Not a great year at WR in the region generally outside of Foster, so that could be a factor as well.

    Haven't heard much talk of that except for Treadwell. We lost out on Stefon Diggs because he wanted to be the big man on campus and stay in Maryland. But there have been several sources who have said that Davonte Neal, the big name 4 star WR from the last class that we pursued, was actually turned away when he tried commit because Meyer decided to save our last scholarship because he believed we would get Diggs. We ended up banking that scholarship. This year i'm hearing that the Foster OV went poorly. That there was some clear disconnect and that the staff has actually stopped actively recruiting him. So I guess i'm not sure why that happened exactly. Then the rest of our WR targets have not committed yet outside of the ATH Marshall who committed to us a couple months ago. I've heard we have the inside track on Quick and Gibson, both of whom would be our top targets without Foster and Treadwell.

    AllDay28

  • AD28 comes to talk football and engages in intelligent conversation and is treated with respect.

    Quaddad comes in making shit up and acting like a moron, gets thrashed.

    Coincidence?

    This post was edited by MTayl72 on 4/23/2012 at 10:23 PM

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  • AllDay28 said...

    But there have been several sources who have said that Davonte Neal, the big name 4 star WR from the last class that we pursued, was actually turned away when he tried commit

    Might have inadvertently dodged a bullet seeing his commit press conference fiasco.

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  • Hamilton Lion said...

    So far if you include the last class of Urb's and this class, he has taken ...

    2 QB 3 RB (wants one more) 3 WR 2 TE (wants one more) 7 OL (wants one more at least) 7 DE 2 DT 4 LB 3 CB (still going after) 3 S (still going after) 2 UTL

    So ... you don't see numbers that stick out screaming roster mismanagement? He did this in Gainesville. He was nothing more than a star grab. Had excess at multiple positions every year and this is why five or six or seven of these high-end guys left the program.

    Granted, kids move to other positions ... so rumors of Cam "the Sham" moving from LB to a DB position takes one away from LB, but increases CB I would assume.

    Agree to disagree

    Looking at your numbers they seem a bit off because some players are listed at positions different then they were recruited for... here is what they are.
    QB 2
    RB 3
    WR 4
    TE 2
    OL 6
    DE 4
    DT 3 (we also moved on OG to DT this year)
    LB 6
    CB 4
    S 3

    My major concern here is OL and WR, like I said before. We'll likely get for sure another TE, one or two OL, one or two WR, and another safety in this class. Sprinkle was recruited for DT not DE, Marcus and Neal for LB not DE, Powell for CB, and Marshall for WR. Also talk that Bosa could see time at DT and that Anzalone could play any of S, OLB, or DE.

    This post was edited by AllDay28 on 4/23/2012 at 10:21 PM

    AllDay28

  • shavisimo2 said...

    Might have inadvertently dodged a bullet seeing his commit press conference fiasco.

    Ya, I agree with this. Kid seemed like he had a lot of baggage and the level of involvement of his dad was a bit disconcerting.

    AllDay28

  • I totally agree....Urban had terrible roster management at Florida...My god, he only won 2 NC's in 6 years.....I can't believe he even has a job.....he's terrible!!!!

    Let's see....if he had 2 NC's in just 6 years at a BCS school, what does that say about JoePa's roster management over all those years?

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  • BestoftheBig said...

    I totally agree....Urban had terrible roster management at Florida...My god, he only won 2 NC's in 6 years.....I can't believe he even has a job.....he's terrible!!!!

    Let's see....if he had 2 NC's in just 6 years at a BCS school, what does that say about JoePa's roster management over all those years?

    I think its mostly what he did towards the end of his career there right before he retired, for the second time, after he had full control of the recruits coming in. He left Muschamp and that roster in pretty bad shape in a few ways.

    Though I think they are a little overblown as well.

    MTayl72

  • BestoftheBig said...

    I totally agree....Urban had terrible roster management at Florida...My god, he only won 2 NC's in 6 years.....I can't believe he even has a job.....he's terrible!!!!

    Let's see....if he had 2 NC's in just 6 years at a BCS school, what does that say about JoePa's roster management over all those years?

    His first year and then his third year, that is very impressive i 100 percent agree with you. But look at his record once he was their for five years and look at the shambles he left that program in.

    I really don't know what all the surprise is about Ohio State recruiting so well, they have been doing it for years, now you add URBAN who is know for recruiting and their recruiting will improve, but lets wait and see what they do on the field.

    DjHart

  • BestoftheBig said...

    I totally agree....Urban had terrible roster management at Florida...My god, he only won 2 NC's in 6 years.....I can't believe he even has a job.....he's terrible!!!!

    Let's see....if he had 2 NC's in just 6 years at a BCS school, what does that say about JoePa's roster management over all those years?

    Insecurity problem? Who gives a rats ass that he won two titles. I guess that makes him perfect, right - no flaws.

    Dude, look at the numbers at Florida and then look at what he is doing at OSU. Joe had a problem collecting non productive wide outs at the end of the career and not enough DBs. However, Urbs is a star grab regardless of position. The numbers speak for themselves IMO. You are a very insecure guy. Would you rather me talk about Urb's other flaws - off the field?

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  • Hamilton Lion said...

    Insecurity problem? Who gives a rats ass that he won two titles. I guess that makes him perfect, right - no flaws.

    Dude, look at the numbers at Florida and then look at what he is doing at OSU. Joe had a problem collecting non productive wide outs at the end of the career and not enough DBs. However, Urbs is a star grab regardless of position. The numbers speak for themselves IMO. You are a very insecure guy. Would you rather me talk about Urb's other flaws - off the field?

    I'm not sure how "the numbers speak for themselves". I gave you the correct numbers up there and we still have room in this class. What, exactly, is jumping out to you in those numbers that you find so egregious? Especially considering we still have room for ~6 more.

    AllDay28

  • AllDay28 said...

    I'm not sure how "the numbers speak for themselves". I gave you the correct numbers up there and we still have room in this class. What, exactly, is jumping out to you in those numbers that you find so egregious? Especially considering we still have room for ~6 more.

    If you can't figure it out, God help you. Agree to disagree.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by Hamilton Lion on 4/24/2012 at 6:39 AM

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