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  • At over 13 recruits each and 95% are 4* and above.... Is anyone else concerned that we are falling behind in the arms race?

    I also realize that coach O'Brien has yet to prove the concept on the field, and to that end UM and Hoke have done so. Is that the real difference, is it style or focus - we want students and that turns off some.... or is this nothing to be concerned about?

    I really want Penn State to close down PA and NJ to others until wee have had our fill, and it feels like we are left picking through the left overs....

    Just wanted to know from the guru's what you think.

    This post was edited by PSUJIM85 on 4/23/2012 at 4:24 PM

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  • Yes.
    I always freak out when we have a top 15 class in April.

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  • PSUJIM85 said...

    At over 13 recruits each and 95% are 4* and above.... Is anyone else concerned that we are falling behind in the arms race?

    I also realize that coach O'Brien has yet to prove the concept on the field, and to that end UM and Hoke have done so. Is that the real difference, is it style or focus - we want students and that turns off some.... or is this nothing to be concerned about?

    I really want Penn State to close down PA and NJ to others until wee have had our fill, and it feels like we are left picking through the left overs....

    Just wanted to know from the guru's what you think.

    None of those kids have played one snap in college, let alone one snap of football their senior years in high school. Some of those four and five stars will bust. Stop getting carried away with the star grab, or counts.

    I look at Meyer. He is doing nothing more than grabbing stars instead of looking at his roster for needs. He has a roster management problem down the road at three positions right now.

    This post was edited by Hamilton Lion on 4/23/2012 at 4:32 PM

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  • I think we'll be behind these schools for a few years.

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  • No because traditionally, Ohio State struggles to develop the higher rated kids. As for Michigan, they have a heck of a class and I'm not sure that they have had one like this ever. However, we haven't seen what they can do in a prostyle offense, so i don't really think that we can judge them too much. As for us, we will probably end up with the best offensive recruiting class out of the 3. We have one of the best QB's, the top TE, a top RB (if Williams comes), potentially the #1 WR, and potentially the #2 OT. We are fine right now with our recruiting.

    I will always take quality over quantity.

    beaglespackers

  • Hamilton Lion said...

    None of those kids have played one snap in college, let alone one snap of football their senior years in high school. Some of those four and five stars will bust. Stop getting carried away with the star grab, or counts.

    I look at Meyer. He is doing nothing more than grabbing stars instead of looking at his roster for needs. He has a roster management problem down the road at three positions right now.

    This. Hardest concept for a lot of ppl to understand. You have to get what you need, not whatever 4 star you want, hence why a guy like Drennon gets put on the back burner. He is a great player but can't play DB, LB or OL. UM is doing what he did at Fla to OSU and while they are getting solid guys, they are over representing certain spots at the expense of others. It's the biggest reason imo, that Fla had the troubles they did over the last couple of years.

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  • Its funny because when we went on our surge of recruits, their fans were shocked as well. We took a lead over OSU and they took notice. Now theyre surging and we're grinding. Its all cyclical.

    Theyll get some damn fine players. So will we. Coaching is what will matter the most.

    MTayl72

  • beaglespackers said...

    No because traditionally, Ohio State struggles to develop the higher rated kids. As for Michigan, they have a heck of a class and I'm not sure that they have had one like this ever. However, we haven't seen what they can do in a prostyle offense, so i don't really think that we can judge them too much. As for us, we will probably end up with the best offensive recruiting class out of the 3. We have one of the best QB's, the top TE, a top RB (if Williams comes), potentially the #1 WR, and potentially the #2 OT. We are fine right now with our recruiting.

    I will always take quality over quantity.

    That's not a true statement as far as development, but none the less comparing the last coaching staff to the current one can't be compared. Just like trying to compare what the Paterno staff did and your staff now. I don't get into the flame wars but OSU run for 10 years was solid.

    However I expect PSU to get Munger if you all have room for him.

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  • Threads like this always kill me. We are not talking about Rutgers and Pitt here, we are talking about OSU and Michigan. They will always recruit well, and always be a challenge for us. When you consider where we were in December of last year to where we are now it is basically a revelation. We need to control the things we can control and the rest will take care of its self. OSU has the glamour status of Urban Liar, and UM always has national cache. We need to rebuild our brand as I'm sorry to say the previous regime let a lot of our luster erode in the last decade.

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  • Hamilton Lion said...

    None of those kids have played one snap in college, let alone one snap of football their senior years in high school. Some of those four and five stars will bust. Stop getting carried away with the star grab, or counts.

    I look at Meyer. He is doing nothing more than grabbing stars instead of looking at his roster for needs. He has a roster management problem down the road at three positions right now.

    Care to elaborate - like does he now have 20 4* safeties and 1 RB? this is what he would have if what you say is true. Do you have that data? I am really asking that as a question, not a flame....

    PSUJIM85

  • PSUfaninOnt said...

    This. Hardest concept for a lot of ppl to understand. You have to get what you need, not whatever 4 star you want, hence why a guy like Drennon gets put on the back burner. He is a great player but can't play DB, LB or OL. UM is doing what he did at Fla to OSU and while they are getting solid guys, they are over representing certain spots at the expense of others. It's the biggest reason imo, that Fla had the troubles they did over the last couple of years.

    People have to remember. Urbs was doing the same thing in Gainesville. Nothing but star grabs and had some roster management issues. There was a reason why some of that four and five star talent bolted before they graduated - transferred.

    Hamilton Lion

  • What is the saying again, Rome wasn't built in a day? I'm really happy where we stand right now. Remember where we were just 5 or 6 months ago. To be honest, I thought it would take years to recover!

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  • PSUJIM85 said...

    Care to elaborate - like does he now have 20 4* safeties and 1 RB? this is what he would have if what you say is true. Do you have that data? I am really asking that as a question, not a flame....

    I am not counting Sr's that will be there this year as we are working with the 2013 class. I will also qualify this with I am not an OSU fan so I do not know if all of these are scholarship players or not. I will say that the size of the recruit classes and the size of the grad class do not match up and that there are fewer grads than recruits. Some recruits appear to have dropped off the depth chart already.

    9 OT's looking to take pocic as well, add 7 OG and 4 C and thats 4 deep on the OL.

    8 at S

    7 RB's

    10 at DE

    10 at WR with none yet this yr

    So that is 55 ppl and still need TE(3), QB(4), DT(6), CB(6), K/P/LS(3) and ILB/OLB's(8)

    I will leave out FB's since he won't likely use them. To get to 85 you are looking at the numbers in brackets above but they have 5 qb's, 4 in the k/p/ls area, 8 cb's and 9 lb's. Like I said, there will be a number on the depth chart that are not scholarship guys but when you factor in the loss of schollies the math gets troublesome and there is going to have to be some adjutments.

    This post was edited by PSUfaninOnt on 4/23/2012 at 6:43 PM

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  • Having said all of that, it is managable if UM starts to fix it next year and the year after by smoothing out his classes, much like we had to do a couple of years ago. the problem comes when you miss your targets like we did last yr (CB's and S) and all of a sudden are looking around.

    Given his history at Fla I my assumption (and I think HL's too) is he just keeps grabbing at stars getting more and more out of whack.

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  • I couldn't be happier with recruiting so far and anyone that thinks otherwise is wrong.

    perfect

  • Doesn't OSu only have 83 the next two years too?

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  • perfect said...

    I couldn't be happier with recruiting so far and anyone that thinks otherwise is wrong.

    I mean, there's always room to be happier. That said, I'm happy with recruiting so far.

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  • perfect said...

    I couldn't be happier with recruiting so far and anyone that thinks otherwise is wrong.

    Hmmm, following up a statement of personal feeling with "and anyone that thinks otherwise is wrong"...

    That is not perfect.

    Though I too am pleased so far.

    beck881psu

  • This is awesome for PSU in the long run. The stronger the Big 10, the better the champion, who will be more prepared to compete for national championships. Everyone has to step up their game and compete, thus far our staff is up to the task.

    Also be happy to know that every year one of these teams is guaranteed to finish with an L due to cross-scheduling.

    PennStateFan33

  • So far, the staff is recruiting great! They are hustling on the recruiting trail and saying/doing all the right things. The 2013 class will only be the start of big things in recruiting for PSU.

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  • How is it that your 3 & 4 star class is better than other teams 4 & 5 star classes. If the shoe was on the other foot and you had OH or MI class you would be singing a different song. To the point of some of the post they are right when they say they are just numbers. The play on the field will be the tell all.

    Quaddad

  • Quaddad said...

    How is it that your 3 & 4 star class is better than other teams 4 & 5 star classes. If the shoe was on the other foot and you had OH or MI class you would be singing a different song. To the point of some of the post they are right when they say they are just numbers. The play on the field will be the tell all.

    How in the fuck did you twist what has been said into that? No one of common sense has said anything but positive things about their classes. Some think that Meyer is under bad roster management and have presented why in a level headed way, maybe thats what you're referring to. Jesus, some of you Bucknut fans are ridiculous. Theres some great ones, then theres you. Twisting words...Jesus...

    MTayl72

  • It wasn't too long ago that people thought the program was dead for good. Now people are suggesting we should be concerned because osu and mi are doing a little better than us a yr before signing day?
    Anyone who thinks that is flat out wrong. The staff is putting in 100% effort and landing huge recruits. We've got a Brand new hc with zero experience and were still in the midst of the biggest cfb scandal ever. Interpreting where we're at right now in any way other than positive is incorrect.

    perfect