The Lions' Pride

I don't know if they will be favored against michigan

How can you not be happy with the result? If Wisconsin wins, PSU win 2 games including one against Wisconsin. Now, PSU just has to win any 2 games. The road to the championship game got objectively easier as one less thing must now happen. Also, OSU could easily lose to UM and Wisconsin is unlikely to lose again, so this was clearly the better result.

Also, I do agree that OSU could win the division. I would not be surprised and agree with you on that. If this loss ends up giving it to OSU, then I will be upset. But this loss still clearly makes it easier for PSU.

EDIT: I was wrong with my facts, my bad!

Correct me if I'm wrong here, but if wiscy had won today and then not lost again - that would have allowed us to lose against nebby and OSU as long as we beat Wiscy.....right? That way we each have two losses but we would have had the tie breaker. To me that seems easier than winning 2 out of 3.

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No apologies necessary. Difference of opinions are allowed.

It's rare to see someone own up online. kudos to you, sir.

It looks like Wisconsin definitely has some problems...How did this team beat Nebraska by 31 and then lose to OSU? Granted the game against Nebraska was at home and the game against OSU was in Ohio.

I dont like Brett Bielema at all so it is nice to see walk of the field a loser. He deserves it.

That my friend is what we were all hoping for.

And it would be an amazing coaching job by a guy that most OSU fans don't want.

I agree with some of you. Wisky beating OSU would have been better for PSU. And, probably makes the conference more top heavy and gives more of a boost to the conference later in the year

Here's how Penn State can get into the B1G Title Game.

0-3 with losses to, well, everyone: OSU and Wisconsin both need to lose 2 more games and Purdue can't win out.

1-2 with losses to OSU and Wisconsin: OSU and Wisconsin both need to lose 1 more game.

1-2 with losses to Nebraska and Wisconsin: Wisconsin needs to lose 1 more game out of Purdue, @Minny, @Illinois.

1-2 with losses to Nebraska and OSU: OSU needs to lose 1 more game out of Indiana, @Purdue, @Michigan.

3-0 OR 2-1: Penn State is in no matter who we lose too since we'll be the only team with 1 loss.

It is hard to argue this when you look at the schedule. The remainder of the tOSU schedule is Indiana, at Purdue, PSU, at Michigan. Obviously all 3 of those are winnable for tOSU, but they could easily lose 2 games there. There is still a lot of football to be played here and as we have seen this year and in years past ANYTHING can happen. Last year I don't believe anyone gave PSU a fighters chance at tOSU. I really wonder what could have happened if the coaches kept the pedal to the medal after halftime. It really seemed like they got very conservative and tried to just run the ball and kill the clock, which just doesn't work against a team like that. I think the key to winning the next 3 games is being aggressive on both sides of the ball. This team has found ways to win games all year and a bye week right now is just what they need.

Thinking ahead though, assume you are right and tOSU finds themselves in the B1G Champ game. Do they then go and fire Luke Fickell? I realize he is "interim coach" but holy crap, after everything that man had to deal with this season how could you get rid of him? In my glance at Hineygate and the Bucknuts board they sure as heck seem to think he is out regardless of what happens. I personally think it would be a mistake to get rid of him if that team finishes 8-4 or better. Having dealth with all the distractions, not having star players, etc. that is a damn good season if he pulls it off. What do you guys think?

ohio state isn't getting meyer.

he retired from Florida for stress reasons. why would he go to an equally stressful situaiton, facing NCAA sanctions, with a roster that isn't suited for him (this will be the case anywhere), worse weather, and a smaller recruiting pool? Ohio State is the exact same type of situation as Florida. 10-2 isn't good enough in Columbus, and the Boosters have proven that. They continue to buy players hoping they get a championship out of it.

I think Meyer goes to PSU. Why? It's nowhere near the stressful situation as either OSU or Florida. There's already a proven history of patience among the administration that is happy with a 10-2 season. The biggest reason and no one seems to be mentioning it, is I think JoePa asked Urban Meyer to be his successor.

All this setup up some really intersting games to watch the rest of the season. PSU could win 2 of 3 left. OSU could run the table. But the best things would be/are WIscy getting beat by OSU and OSU beating Michigan and Brady Choke.

Believe me, I hear you. I agree with you about the stress in Columbus. In Florida The Meyer came to a program without the history of success over the long haul that OSU has. If he would come to Columbus the call would be for him to win a national championship within the first 2 years. Those calling for his hire are basically guaranteeing as much. My great fear is that The Meyer gets the job and then the stress problems return and he leaves the Buckeye football team in the lurch when he retires/unretires/retires again.

As far as Fickell goes, I was just relaying what those who want him to go are saying, not my feelings nor those of everyone, but of a lot of folks. Those that want The Meyer see anything good happening as simple luck in spite of Fickell's ineptness, and everything bad eventually the responsibility of Fickell, even offensive issues. There are many that agree that as of now he has done a great job getting the team to this point and holding it together after the losses to MSU and Neb. Rumor from some is that the team has really rallied behind Fickell and is playing hard for him. OSU is VERY young. They have 3 seniors on the offensive line and Herron, on defense there is only one senior starter. And there aren't a lot of juniors either - there are a LOT of sophmores and red-shirt freshmen starting or getting a lot of playing time. The biggest hurdle to OSU's success at this point is similar to PSU's - an inept offensive staff and/or playcalling. Those who want to keep Fickell realize that with the correct revamping of the offensive staff (and more experience for Miller) OSU can be significantly better than they are now. Right now, as it has been for a long time, the defense is the strength of the team. By keeping Fickell you keep the defensive staff in place; bringing in a new head coach risks losing the whole staff and possibly screwing up the defense.

Personally, if he does well from here on out I think Fickell deserves at least one more year with the offensive staff of his choosing. If OSU wins out, it may be neck and neck between Fickell and Paterno for Big10 coach of the year, something that Tressel somehow never won.