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psubills62 said...
We've talked about it plenty before. PSU fans, immediately after this stuff came out in November, set up a goal for PSU alumni to donate 500K to RAINN, which succeeded.
Just because you visit here on the day the NCAA hands down sanctions and we're talking about football doesn't mean we don't care about the kids.
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SC Trojan, Esq. said...
What happened to you guys suck. Straight up. I think your leaders are weak for rolling over and agreeing to the penalties. I dont know if there is a possibility that you guys file action in court for an injunction or not, especially since PSU powers that be agreed to it - essentially they agreed to a waiver. But the NCAA arbitrarily hammered you guys, bullshit. Sandusky is horrible, and should rot; but your school did not deserve this, at least without your due process to challenge what was in that Freeh report. Str8 bullshit. And you know how we Trojans feel about the NCAA.
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robmaio said...
I always find these types of comments absolutley ridiculous. When we look to comment on the topic at hand do we always need to preface it with the standard disclaimers of caring about the victims/kids before we make our point? As others have said, we have talked about this plenty and have reached out to support the kids the best way we can. I haven't been on campus in 25 years but I am doing what I can and I've had serious health issues since 2005, so it is important to the fans and the school. What have you done other than spout off this quick 2 sentence comment and move on?
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SC Trojan, Esq. said...
I think you are missing the point a little bit. If I was an administrator / coach / Board member at Penn State and I found out about the child rape issue, yes I would have reported it. I would have followed up on it to make sure the ball was moving on the issue. And if the people above me at PSU failed to act, I would have gone to the police.
With that being said, due process for the school before sanctions are handed out is a wholly different issue. The due process issue is simply a fairness issue. Assuming all the things in the Freeh report is true, due process requires the adjudicating body, here the NCAA, to allow the defendant (accused party - Penn State) to investigate and challenge the validity of the asserted facts and evidence. Upon evaluation of that challenge, the adjudicating body would assess what is true, valid etc, and levy punishments accordingly. So, all I mean is that even though the PSU admin / coaches etc screwed up by not saying anything, the university had a right to a fair process, a right to be heard, a right to challenge what was in the Freeh report, before the NCAA hammered the school with sanctions. SMU had a hearing before their death penalty, North Carolina had a hearing before being penalized, Ohio State had one last year after the tattoo incident, USC had one for the Reggie Bush penalties. Regardless of whether you hate a school / hate a player at a school (e.g. Reggie Bush, Terrell Pryor) / think that the crimes at a school were disgusting (PSU), that school should have a right to challenge and verify the evidence against it before the NCAA decides to enforce crippling sanctions against it.
The good Penn State folks here know that what Sandusky did was awful. But that is not the source of their frustration. They are frustrated bc the NCAA arbitrarily / unilaterally took away Joe Pa's victories, stripped scholarships, enforced a four year bowl ban, and hurt PSU's name / reputation - all without ANY hearing or process to look over the facts and assertions made against Penn State. Put simply, the NCAA and its devastating sanctions were unfair today. I just think that the PSU leaders should not have agreed to what the NCAA dished out. Penn State folks may disagree with me, but I think the leaders should have demanded a process, a hearing on this matter, despite the public pressure surrounding this issue.
This post was edited by getmyjive11 on 7/23/2012 at 10:49 PM
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getmyjive11 said...
Well said. I blame our administration for accepting these penalties without due process, but one could argue that Emmert knew PSU wouldn't challenge him (for PR reasons) and WAY overstepped his and the NCAA's boundaries. This is not a good day for college athletics... not just PSU. No due process, no clear violations, a penalty potentially worse than the death penalty. The NCAA says that they are trying to minimize the damage to innocent people with these sanctions, but the fact is, they only hurt the innocent. Paterno is dead and doesn't care about his official victory count, Sandusky is in jail and Curley, Schultz and Spanier are no longer working for the university, so that statement is absolute rubbish.
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getmyjive11 said...
. This is not a good day for college athletics... not just PSU. No due process, no clear violations, a penalty potentially worse than the death penalty. The NCAA says that they are trying to minimize the damage to innocent people with these sanctions, but the fact is, they only hurt the innocent. Paterno is dead and doesn't care about his official victory count, Sandusky is in jail and Curley, Schultz and Spanier are no longer working for the university, so that statement is absolute rubbish.
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boone8466 said...
Would you even want a fair hearing? 3-4 weeks spent describing in detail they myriad ways that Paterno & co lied to allow a serial pedophile to continue his abuse? how'd you like that to be the lead story every night on ESPN while the "fair trail" took place?
This was a plea bargain. In agreement for accepting the terms, harsher punishment was set aside.
As an exercise, choose your favorite university not in the Big Ten and go visit the message board for 247sports. I think public opinion outside the state of PA is that the punishment should have been a little harsher. Maybe not death penalty, but a longer bowl ban or maybe a tv ban
This post was edited by Lion_in_CBus on 7/24/2012 at 12:11 AM
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Lion_in_CBus said...
I would take it because it should only matter about finding the truth...everything should have came and still should come out if there is more let it come out
Hopefully, it would help those to tell their story both at PSU and across the country...
Everyone should demand the whole truth not just at PSU, but with any organization involved in any coverup of abuse (both child and adult victims)
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boone8466 said...
Do you really think Freeh is wrong? Do you think a state or federal prosecutor will get different answers when they ask the same questions Freeh did?Freeh has done all the grunt work for them. They can just re-interview the witnesses that Freeh already tracked down. The hard part is done.
Now if you believe the Freeh report is full of complete fabrications (not biases or shades of truth, but outright lies), maybe you would want a trail. If you believe that, I don't think we have any basis for discussion--we're too far apart on our basis for reality.
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boone8466 said...
Do you really think Freeh is wrong? Do you think a state or federal prosecutor will get different answers when they ask the same questions Freeh did?Freeh has done all the grunt work for them. They can just re-interview the witnesses that Freeh already tracked down. The hard part is done.
Now if you believe the Freeh report is full of complete fabrications (not biases or shades of truth, but outright lies), maybe you would want a trail. If you believe that, I don't think we have any basis for discussion--we're too far apart on our basis for reality.
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Lion_in_CBus said...
wrong, lets follow the facts here...
He knew of 2001 that is clear...
there are no emails in the Freeh report from Paterno...
If your going to comment on the report...please read it...The email described in the Freeh report was from Curley and said coach wanted to know about the incident (the 1998)
Did Joe knowingly lie to the GJ that is clearly gray...
He said that he may have heard a rumor about JS before 2001...a rumor is an unproven claim. Since the 1998 was not investigated because the victim told police that he was not abused....did Joe consider that a rumor...that is speculation
Did Joe f@ck royally in 2001...yes, but lets talk facts...
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