The Lions' Pride

Because PSU does NOT stand for Paterno State University. It is NOT his program. He wouldn't be getting screwed over, he is 84 and isn't and can't do his job. Joe is the one screwing over the University/program he claims to love.

Rip Engle, who was no slouch himself, did the HONORABLE thing for Joe. He wasn't SELFISH like Joe.

Nobody, unless they own a company, earns the right to a job as long as they want it or just because they are afraid to die.

The fact that you would see it as screwing Joe speaks volumes.

Question. Is it the Paterno State Nittany Lions football program?

yup, only person who ever gets a job for life is somebody who owns a company. . . and that's only because nobody can fire them...

Joe is no fortune 100 tycoon. He was just smart enough to let Schreyer handle his money. He could be fired in a second if PSU had balls.

Don't you think at this point that it would all reflect rather poorly on the Paterno family instead of Spanier or PSU? Personally, I think things have changed a lot in a hurry on the public perception front. I don't think the media would be rushing to get Paterno's back like some think.

But Joe told the world that he would leave if the University wanted hm to

He lies

Sorry diddy but I call BS.

If Spanier or whomever from the BOT came out and said we thank Joe for all he has done blah nlah blah but it has become very clear that he is unable to perform all the duties required/demanded of the PSU HC. Its a sad day but we feel it is in the best interest of the program to make a xhange and Joe has ALWAYS SAID HE WOULD SUPPORT US AND STEP DOWN if we felt he wasn't the best man for the job. That person could also say they are worried about the kids and what effect it would have on them if they ran in to Joe and killed him or ended his career or he died during practice or a game etc. They could also make public many other things.

That's why it is important for PSU to make the first move and make Joe go peacefully or expose that he is a liar among other things.

I also see very little bad PR for coming out and saying Joe's contract is up and we are going another direction. The man will be 85 and PSU is mediocre. Who in their right mind can find fault with this.

Anyone not willing to do this should be fired IMO. There responsibility lies with the University and not Joe. If PSU goes public and classy and Joe resists he will be the one who looks bad.

You also know that Spanier would love to fire Joe if allowed.

Sentence 1: That's been the case for several years, yet they've never said a word. No one from PSU would ever make that statement publicly.

Sentence 2: Heresay...also something no one at PSU would ever say publicly.

Sentence 3: LOL...definitely not something PSU would ever say publicly.

Sentence 4: Never in 100 billion years would PSU purposefully set out to tarnish Joe's reputation. They hang their hat on it. That would be incredibly self defeating.

Sentence 5: No, that's why they continue to keep up this charade. Again, they would much rather make concessions to maintain Joe's status than create animosity with the Paterno family. It's a fragile situation, and the Paternos are an entitled family who would create a lot of long standing bitterness if the situation were not handled their way. And they hold enough power (like it or not; moreso than any other D-1 football coach ever over a university) that PSU must take their wishes seriously.

Sentence 6: Correct, but their chief responsibilities are to run a clean program and make money. Ws come 3rd. They're still accomplishing 1a and 1b with Joe at the helm. The next HC will not have the same luxury, but Joe has made himself 'virtually' untouchable based on W/L results. Do you honestly think Spanier lost any sleep over the fact that we only beat Temple by 4? Or the fact that Joe didn't go down to the locker room at halftime? Or that he doesn't visit recruits off campus? No...he has a lot of other things to worry about. He'd pay closer attention if that $50 million of profit magically started to disappear. Yet, they've continually found new ways to maintain that regardless of minimal competitiveness as well.

Final Sentence: Sure...BUT..."if he were allowed" is the completion of your argument. He's not, so end of story.

Where did I ever say it would? What I said was that the revenue stream is still steady under Joe, so there's no reason for the Admin to rock the boat with a forceful move based on $$$ or program issues. The only reason is competitiveness, which unfortunately for fans, doesn't supersede $$$ and cleanliness at PSU.

What bad publicity? Who the f*ck could blame PSU for going in another direction? The man is 85 and isn't and can't perform all the required duties.

Why not play Joe's game? Joe takes his battle public so why shouldn't PSU? Why not expose Joe for lying?

Why does the building have to burn to the ground before anything will be done?

How about bad pr when a player runs in to Joe and kills him or he dies during a practice and we hear how could they let him return at his age etc? Countless examples. If Joe wants to create a mess then it wouldn't be hard to show it is him throwing a temper tantrum.

I hope allowing this nonsense to go on costs Spanier and every othr GUTLESS BOT member their jobs. They are weak, short sighted and have put an old selfish man ahead of the school and program.

Didn't comm recently post that he's hearing that the flow of money may now favor Joe going rather than staying?

I believe he did post something along those lines recently. I made a similar comment yesterday after our near loss to Temple and those comments weren't based on the game yesterday - more so that yesterday's game is proof that he and his staff just can't get the job done, even vs. those teams that we are clearly more superior than.

I think a lot of folks who can do something about it are starting to see that and hopefully something is done come the end of this season. I would be willing to argue that given the right hire, the cash flow to the Unviersity/AD would greatly increase if we had a coach that gets the job done on the field. Joe and company just can't get it done like they used to be able to. It's time for a young, fresh mind who is willing to take chances in a big game and can put the guys we have in the best positions possible to make plays. IMO, we have a plethora of talent on this team (not nearly as much as some school but enough to compete for the B1G Championship) and they aren't being utilized to the abilities in which they are capable of.

Joe has to go. Period! I know the JoePalogist are slowly dwindling and the end is near, it's just a matter of how it ends.

Well Pete, you're thinking like a fan not a trustee or University administrator. If your line of reasoning were correct, Joe would have been gone in the 2001-2004 period. The landscape isn't significantly different other than Joe's health. If the football quality of the program wasn't enough for Joe to be forced out then, it certainly isn't enough now.

Eh, not so much. It was pretty damn ugly there for awhile back in 2004 and I don't think it has reached the same level of outrage as then, at least not yet.