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  • perfect said...

    How can you possibly say this with confidence after what has come out?

    Just my opinion. But I don't see any recent violations coming out. Plus I just read this:

    Jerry Sandusky case: NCAA investigation at Penn State is unprecedented

    Did a protect the university's football program while endangering children?

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  • psubills62 said...

    Interesting thought.

    However, that would be assuming that all 9 of those 4th year juniors don't return. Right now, I could see a class of 23-24 (considering how many offers we have out there), which would mean losing 3-4 of those 4th year juniors. That's somewhat conservative, but I think that's how you generally plan a class.

    Certainly something to keep in mind during the year as we watch both departures and commitments. I could see Brandon Moseby-Felder being the next to leave, considering where he was on the depth chart. JMO.

    There are a lot of players that may not be asked back next year...

    -Brandon MF
    -Ty Howle
    -Mark Arc
    -Kuntz
    -Dukes
    -Kersey
    -Figs
    -Cadogan

    I'm willing to bet that 75% of those guys aren't going to be back next year. Then you have players like Bolden who the staff would kick to the curb if there is a number crunch. Also, you got to think that Haplea could very well look elsewhere.

    Plenty of "fat" to cut if need be.

    getmyjive11

  • getmyjive11 said...

    There are a lot of players that may not be asked back next year...

    -Brandon MF -Ty Howle -Mark Arc -Kuntz -Dukes -Kersey -Figs -Cadogan

    I'm willing to bet that 75% of those guys aren't going to be back next year. Then you have players like Bolden who the staff would kick to the curb if there is a number crunch. Also, you got to think that Haplea could very well look elsewhere.

    Plenty of "fat" to cut if need be.

    I never disagreed that there are plenty of players who MAY not be asked back. I'm just saying that those guys aren't off the team yet.

    If it turns out a lot of them are not asked back and we still only sign 20 in this class, then diddy is almost certainly correct. Just pointing out that it hasn't happened yet, so it's something to keep in mind while we watch what happens with the team.

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  • LaJollaLion said...

    This is more of a CYA school by the new admin. They are playing nice and bending over backwards for the sake of the media/national opinion. Guess what...that ship has sailed. They may as well say they want to kill football and will melt Joe's statue as football allowed all of this to occur. It's much easier than stating we had some people that made horrible choices and may need to go to jail because of it. Media wants blood and a big name to sell hits/advertisements. People up there are running around scared.

    They are allowing leaks or leaking this info themselves. Jerry's actions were awful, but schools lack of reaction back in November and prior has not gotten any better. You would think the new president would be speaking out how furious he is over these "leaks". Hasn't happened. If you investiage the JA now, maybe you can turn up more dirt on Joe and further deflect the situation from the school towards one man. If Joe was up there covering it all up and influencing the JA...so be it. I just don't care for the witchhunt for Joe that has been fairly constant. He was a human, he made mistakes, but they are pretty much steering it clearly at Joe. We'll see how much of it is actually warranted in time.

    Well said.

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  • tdiddy said...

    If sanctions are deserved, self imposing them will be a start in rebuilding our credibility...which is currently at ground zero. Everyone deserves to know exactly what happened. PSU deserves to be completely opened up. If we don't like the results, so what? We need to deal with them, admit ALL the errors, and be held accountable. If it means our football team misses out on a few mid-tier bowl appearances, we lose a few recruits, and we have a few less schollies for the next 3 years...then so be it. "Having a shot" is the exact type of distorted thinking which got us into this mess.

    I fully agree. The Penn State name needs to be refreshed in its entirety, whether related to Sandusky directly or not. When something tragic happens like this and the world wants to know what's going on, you need to be fully accountable for everything. I hope you guys all like metaphors because I've got plenty. The doors need to be open so PSU isn't left under the microscope. If you go to confession, you get everything thats been bothering you off your chest, not just the tip of the iceberg. If a junky smokes weed and shoots heroin, but just gets arrested for weed and is sent to rehab, they're probably going to try to quit using along with quitting weed. There are 49 states in this country that are absolutely appalled at PSU, we can't hide anything, it all has to come out. We need to regain our credibility in the eyes of the entire nation, and that starts from the ground up. Our slate needs to be wiped clean, even of it rids us of the opportunity of getting smacked in the Ticket-City Bowl for a couple years because it is the long term that counts overall.

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  • Has it ever occurred to anyone that maybe they don't find anything? I mean I'm sure they will be some minor violations but supposedly PSU was a relatively clean program. I think it's comical/hypocritical of a lot of you who weeks ago were positive we wouldn't be sanctioned are now saying we should self-impose sanctions to head off the NCAA. Perhaps everyone should step away from their computer for a day of 2 and take a deep breath.

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  • PSUJT$ said...

    Has it ever occurred to anyone that maybe they don't find anything? I mean I'm sure they will be some minor violations but supposedly PSU was a relatively clean program. I think it's comical/hypocritical of a lot of you who weeks ago were positive we wouldn't be sanctioned are now saying we should self-impose sanctions to head off the NCAA. Perhaps everyone should step away from their computer for a day of 2 and take a deep breath.

    It's not hypocritical at all when it appears that the facts at hand have changed. That email from Curley is damning whether you believe it to be so or not.

    getmyjive11

  • getmyjive11 said...

    It's not hypocritical at all when it appears that the facts at hand have changed. That email from Curley is damning whether you believe it to be so or not.

    Why? We already knew they decided not to go to the police. How does them talking about it make it worse? At least they considered it at one point. I bet we'll see emails come out where they downplay the seriousness of what they knew. Plus, if you had more damaging emails, why not leak those? I'm going to have to agree with PSUJT$. A little too early to call for self-imposed sanctions.

    This post was edited by JettaPSU2001 on 7/3/2012 at 12:39 PM

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  • psubills62 said...

    Interesting thought.

    However, that would be assuming that all 9 of those 4th year juniors don't return. Right now, I could see a class of 23-24 (considering how many offers we have out there), which would mean losing 3-4 of those 4th year juniors. That's somewhat conservative, but I think that's how you generally plan a class.

    Certainly something to keep in mind during the year as we watch both departures and commitments. I could see Brandon Moseby-Felder being the next to leave, considering where he was on the depth chart. JMO.

    Here is the list of RS Jrs. Marked are guys who are possibilities to move on IMO. There could also be a few guys who get job offers and want to leave after graduation.

    Dukes* (potential academics)
    Kuntz*
    Kersey*
    BMF*
    Gilliam
    Mark Arc*
    Cadogen
    Figs*
    Gress
    Howle*
    Shrive?
    Urschel
    Wallace*
    SOA
    Willis
    Fera

    You also have a few kids like Royer and Zwinak who may be considering their futures. Looking realistically, we should be planning for a massive 2013 class...but we've been relatively conservative with numbers. In my opinion, the conservatism is purposeful until the staff sees what type of restrictions may unfold.

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  • tdiddy said...

    Doubtful. IMO...stress IMO...the preparation has already begun in respect to clearing the scholarship decks.

    PSU currently has 78 scholarship players. We have 13 seniors and 16 fourth year Juniors, as many as 9 of whom will not be returning for their 5th years IMO. That means we could lose as many as 22 players from a 78 man roster. That leaves only 56 kids on scholarship heading into 2013. Are we currently building a recruiting class of 30? No...more like a class of 20. Do the math. It's being done for a reason...again IMO. The numbers rarely lie in respect to these types of things, and the PSU staff is building cautiously in relation to the possibility of upcoming restrictions.

    Frankly, as awful as it sounds, PSU football is in an advantageous position to 'handle' scholarship reductions and bowl restrictions. The scholarship roster will be thinned out of a lot of dormant spots after this year, and we're not in a position to seriously compete for premiere bowls for at least 2-3 years. If appropriate, I think it's in the program's best interest to impose punishment ASAP when the full report surfaces. Based on the numbers, I have a feeling that such conversations may have already occurred.

    I believe it is being done for a reason as well.

    I dont believe that as many will be leaving of the juniors as many seem to.

    So I feel it is being done for this class. We now have 6 more. I believe we fill them getting back to 85(and another 1-2 to leave still).

    I think feel that even if many of those 9 do leave, that we are looking to get more than 20 or so next year. Not to account for what may or may not come from the NCAA. But like you, that is just my opinion

    One more thing, addressing the question/comment "to go after 30 this year". Glad we dont seem to be. All that does is unbalance your classes, and we have had enough of that. 20 or a little more this year, 20 or a little more next, and try to get that 14 or so for 2015 up a bit, even just a few.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by Seltz on 7/3/2012 at 12:46 PM

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  • For those people who think Penn State needs to be fully exposed right now, you're crazy. The media is ready to spin anything they find, and they're not going to spin it in a positive way. Let me repeat. The school was not broken. The program was not broken. If you don't think crazy stuff happens at every major university in this country, then you don't know how university politics and big time athletics work.

    Everything regarding Sandusky needs to be released. Everything. If you're going to investigate judicial affairs at Penn State then you might as well investigate it at every major program in the country. That's the amount of relevance it has to the Sandusky issue.

    If the university wants to do their own internal review as a way of improving the way they operate, great, all for it. That kind of thing happens all the time. The untidy stuff is swept under the rug, violators dealt with, changes are made.

    But if you think now is a good time to completely expose the university to the media, you are nuts. Ultimately all anyone wants to know is what the hell happened with Sandusky. Answer that question and move on. Give them a bunch of other unrelated stuff and it becomes a much bigger story, and you won't like the way the media frames it.

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  • I'm not arguing with you or jive on who could leave. Just saying that we don't know if they will or not. Frankly, depth is still a major issue with some of those positions, and I wouldn't be surprised at seeing some of those guys stay or leave.

    Wasn't Mark Arcidiacono considered the first team OG until he was injured during spring?

    You very well might be right, diddy. But I seem to remember having a similar conversation with you a few months ago about who could leave and you thought 20 was being very ambitious in terms of numbers. I'm guessing the defections lately have changed your mind?

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  • gemrich, you say it better than I can.

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  • getmyjive11 said...

    It's not hypocritical at all when it appears that the facts at hand have changed. That email from Curley is damning whether you believe it to be so or not.

    I'm still failing to see how that shows there were any major NCAA violations?

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  • gemrich said...

    For those people who think Penn State needs to be fully exposed right now, you're crazy. The media is ready to spin anything they find, and they're not going to spin it in a positive way. Let me repeat. The school was not broken. The program was not broken. If you don't think crazy stuff happens at every major university in this country, then you don't know how university politics and big time athletics work.

    Everything regarding Sandusky needs to be released. Everything. If you're going to investigate judicial affairs at Penn State then you might as well investigate it at every major program in the country. That's the amount of relevance it has to the Sandusky issue.

    If the university wants to do their own internal review as a way of improving the way they operate, great, all for it. That kind of thing happens all the time. The untidy stuff is swept under the rug, violators dealt with, changes are made.

    But if you think now is a good time to completely expose the university to the media, you are nuts. Ultimately all anyone wants to know is what the hell happened with Sandusky. Answer that question and move on. Give them a bunch of other unrelated stuff and it becomes a much bigger story, and you won't like the way the media frames it.

    This, exactly this.

    What on earth makes people think that opening everything up will make people "trust PSU" more? I can't fathom why anyone would think that. The opinion of the public against PSU will just go lower and lower the more stuff comes out.

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  • gemrich said...

    For those people who think Penn State needs to be fully exposed right now, you're crazy. The media is ready to spin anything they find, and they're not going to spin it in a positive way. Let me repeat. The school was not broken. The program was not broken. If you don't think crazy stuff happens at every major university in this country, then you don't know how university politics and big time athletics work.

    Everything regarding Sandusky needs to be released. Everything. If you're going to investigate judicial affairs at Penn State then you might as well investigate it at every major program in the country. That's the amount of relevance it has to the Sandusky issue.

    If the university wants to do their own internal review as a way of improving the way they operate, great, all for it. That kind of thing happens all the time. The untidy stuff is swept under the rug, violators dealt with, changes are made.

    But if you think now is a good time to completely expose the university to the media, you are nuts. Ultimately all anyone wants to know is what the hell happened with Sandusky. Answer that question and move on. Give them a bunch of other unrelated stuff and it becomes a much bigger story, and you won't like the way the media frames it.

    Agree 100%.

    I'd advise those who want some sort of purification ritual to grab some patchouli and lock yourself in a tent for a few days.

    We owe it to the victims to ensure something like this never happens again, and to help in any way possible moving forward. We need to prove to the NCAA that this had nothing to do with football so they can go back to doing their "job."

    We owe nothing to the public or the media. NOTHING.

    They have been waiting for us to fall off of our pedestal, and they will lick the carcass clean before moving on.

    Be careful what you wish for...in fact, some are starting to act just like the BOT/Admin, IMO.

    F the NCAA F the BOT F ESPN F Sandusky

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  • psubills62 said...

    I'm not arguing with you or jive on who could leave. Just saying that we don't know if they will or not. Frankly, depth is still a major issue with some of those positions, and I wouldn't be surprised at seeing some of those guys stay or leave.

    Wasn't Mark Arcidiacono considered the first team OG until he was injured during spring?

    You very well might be right, diddy. But I seem to remember having a similar conversation with you a few months ago about who could leave and you thought 20 was being very ambitious in terms of numbers. I'm guessing the defections lately have changed your mind?

    Those defections haven't changed the recruiting strategy to this point and none of those RS Jrs are working up the DC either. There's a lot of space and we're not being that aggressive to fill it. Just seems a bit odd. But hey, I'm sure there's a plausible explanation to all these coincidences.

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  • PSU42Fan said...

    Agree 100%.

    I'd advise those who want some sort of purification ritual to grab some patchouli and lock yourself in a tent for a few days.

    We owe it to the victims to ensure something like this never happens again, and to help in any way possible moving forward. We need to prove to the NCAA that this had nothing to do with football so they can go back to doing their "job."

    We owe nothing to the public or the media. NOTHING.

    They have been waiting for us to fall off of our pedestal, and they will lick the carcass clean before moving on.

    Be careful what you wish for...in fact, some are starting to act just like the BOT/Admin, IMO.

    From Gems to yours...spot on matching my thoughts.

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  • tdiddy said...

    Those defections haven't changed the recruiting strategy to this point and none of those RS Jrs are working up the DC either. There's a lot of space and we're not being that aggressive to fill it. Just seems a bit odd. But hey, I'm sure there's a plausible explanation to all these coincidences.

    Seems to me that the coaching staff factored in a decent number of defections (considering they started with 14 seniors). We're fairly well positioned for a class of 21-22 at least, with a few more guys who could potentially be late offers.

    Like I said, I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you. All I'm saying is that none of this is a done deal yet and it's going to be something to keep an eye on.

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  • PSUJT$ said...

    I'm still failing to see how that shows there were any major NCAA violations?

    Because now we know that Joe was talked to after he gave them the info he had. It doesn't prove anything, but it indicates that there is a real posibility that the head football coach was aiding in the coverup. Nothing more, nothing less.

    getmyjive11

  • getmyjive11 said...

    Well said. We need to expose everything and take our lumps. The public needs to trust us. This is not about football, this is about having people trust Penn State as an institution.

    It all starts with having an internal investigation that trumps any kind of investigation that any other organization could do to us. Freeh finding out about things is a lot better than him passing them by and the government discovering them.

    Find everything you can, self sanction, implement new guidelines and train the staff relentlessly to carry out the policies. That is what you need to do when the whole school set off a self inflicted stink bomb.

    F*** the public. They dont deserve anything. Who cares what outsiders think.

    Isnt thay what created most of this mess... Caring about the publics opinion over doing what was right?

    The sooner you figure out that Freeh is a bot puppet the better.

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  • Itzsessil said...

    F*** the public. They dont deserve anything. Who cares what outsiders think.

    Isnt thay what created most of this mess... Caring about the publics opinion over doing what was right?

    Actually it was your first line.

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  • tdiddy said...

    Actually it was your first line.

    Wrong again, but Im not surprised. If Spanier wasnt worried about public opinion there would never have been any cover up.

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  • Itzsessil said...

    F*** the public. They dont deserve anything. Who cares what outsiders think.

    Isnt thay what created most of this mess... Caring about the publics opinion over doing what was right?

    The sooner you figure out that Freeh is a bot puppet the better.

    Now Freeh is a bot puppet?

    Try to fathom the hypocrisy of a Government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured .but not prove they're a citizen

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  • I am not about punishing people who had nothing to do with Sandusky. I beat if we were talking about a former PSU Tennis coach the public would not care. We have lost a number of solid players over the years to grade and off the field trouble, so I really do not know what they are trying to find. Hell! A number of players did not see for field because of grades until their senior year.

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