The Lions' Pride

There are a few reasons. Some fans want other to be more to blame because it deflects blame from people they truly care about. Some fans have wanted the board to resign for a while and think they (or some of them) knew a whole lot more than they led on, and should be accountable. Some think the board is incompetent as a whole and should be held much more accountable than they already are (this can be combined with deflecting for some and not for others). And some just want the whole truth, and want to hear it all now, make decisions, and move on. I'm sure there are plenty of other reasons, but those are the major ones that immediately came to my head.

The Freeh report itself says it makes "reasonable assumptions". They do seem fair based on what was presented. Many have issues with the BOT and don't trust them as it is. The BOT got blamed in Freeh's report for simply having their head in the sand which may be true for some of them. The real problem is maybe they could have known more and they were the ones that actually started this investigation. Simply put...If I pay you 6.5 million for an investigation and I tell you what to investigate (not me for example), it may not be totally conclusive. In fact I could possibly steer that investigation.

I'm thinking or hoping that during the trial of Curley, Schultz, or that someone flips and spills the beans. That very well could get even worse for PSU as the institution, but the entire truth needs to come out including which BOT member were aware and failed to pass on that information. The whole thing is disgusting, but folks here want the truth. I don't think you can disregard the Freeh report at all, but you can also be a bit skeptical of portions of it. Unless the FEDS really come in hard, I think we have to wait to see if anything else comes out in the trials of the other 3.

It's odd how football fans think a pedophile running around is a football issue. That is criminal in every sense of the word and even for those that passed the buck. The NCAA governs athletics to level the playing field. Curley, Spanier, and Schults aren't going to stand trial for the NCAA. They lose their cases, they go to prison and they better if they are guilty. Hell they wish they were in the position to just penalize football right now, but they are not and for good reason. There is no precendent for this and former NCAA members and lawyers have gone on record saying this really isn't a NCAA matter, it's above the NCAA's scope. Emmert has to carry a big stick right now in the public, but I'm not sure he has the ultimate authority to swing it. The school itself needs to make up for the acts of those folks who didn't do enough. We all get that, but you slam PSU for this after DECADES of clean living...it's a sham. You let school pay for play in b-ball and football across the land which you are suppose to govern and then hammer one of the cleanest schools for criminal acts. I'm curious to see what the school imposes on itself as I really don't think the NCAA wants to drive that bus right now. I think their are two extremes at play with the death penalty BS talk and those that think nothing should happen. It will fall somewhere in between IMO.

It completely "jives" with what you say. Every rational person should wish this never happened. There are some people very happy to watch PSU fall on these boards, and it's crazy because they don't truly think about what actually happened. We also have plenty of crazy people supporting PSU. Just the nature of message boards.

obviously, I don't mean I wished the crimes never happened-that goes without saying-I meant I wish the covering up part never happened.

With that. My issue is that if you allow that you are only punishing more people who may not deserve it. Quick example would be players.

I don't want the University to take any hit. I love Penn State. However if there were issues with the board or wherever, then they need removed, punished, etc. Otherwise you have that chance at repeat actions(not specifically...meant in broader terms).

A fall guy or guys is against what I believe in personally. I would prefer facts, thorough findings, and punish and remove who needs to be...and accordingly/fairly depending. You don't just tape a napkin over a gunshot wound. Gotta clean that puppy out and take care of it.

What is your reasoning that Joe deserves the blame? Becasue a one sided investigation, by a man with a record of botched investigations, uncovered 2 emails that were vague? His whole argument is based on those emails. And if Joe did know in 98? JS was questioned by police, sat with a shrink for how many ever hours, and the vicitims were questioned as well. No charges filed. Was he supposed to arrest and convict the guy himself? Thats assuming he knew, which i believe he did.

Corbett was the man who coerced the BoT to fire Joe. Corbett was the man who suggested Freeh conduct the "independent" investigation. The BoT desperately needed to justify their firing of Joe and Freeh provided them with the "reasonable conclusions" that he was paid to deliver.

Off all the characters involved, Joe is the only one to report the incident to his supervisor. Curley, Schultz and Spanier failed.

What astounds me is the fact that many people are treating Joe as the culprit. Joe did not molest young boys. That monster is JS and he has been convicted 45 times over.

What exactly did Joe know in 1998? I haven't seen anything specific s to what he knew. He did testify that he knew of no sexual abuse in 1998 which is 100% accurate since there wasn't any sexual abuse to know about.

No one is disputing the 'facts' of the report, just how he came to all of his assumptions about Paterno. Then when you factor in Corbett being dirtier than a used tampon, and his hand picking of Freeh (who we now are learning may actually be more crooked than anyone involved in anything at PSU) to do this report things look a little shady for me personally..