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  • I am worried about the QB position, when does Branch hit campus??? doesnt seem like the 3 running want the job... Jesus please help one of them step up, do what you did for Tebow..lol

    jhouck610

  • Si Redd juked the taste buds out of Malcolm Willis in the cover photo and took it to the house. lol

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  • beaglespackers said...

    I have had a nutrionist tell me that all you do is waste your money on that stuff. He said that most Americans consume enough protein in their diet (because we eat larger meat portions) and that all the whey protein that people put in their body is just urinated out...don't know how true it is, but i think based of what he knows, it could very well be true.

    I was always told that is true for the casual weightlifter....for someone looking to gain mass its not. Need at least 1-1.5 grams of protein per body pound per day, but no more than 50 at a time or its wasted. For me it would be 190-275 grams per day, and i know i dont eat that off meals alone

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  • jhouck610 said...

    I am worried about the QB position, when does Branch hit campus??? doesnt seem like the 3 running want the job... Jesus please help one of them step up, do what you did for Tebow..lol

    Who the F is Branch?

    (too easy)

    MTayl72

  • jhouck610 said...

    I am worried about the QB position, when does Branch hit campus??? doesnt seem like the 3 running want the job... Jesus please help one of them step up, do what you did for Tebow..lol

    Why do you feel this way? Just because RB or PJ haven't beaten out MM?

    Maybe MM is stepping up and winning the job - seems like he is getting the most 1st team reps every practice... I don't love MM because of the mental mistakes (trying to do more than he is capable of at a crucial time) but I think he has demonstrated that he understands what the offense is supposed to do and how to beat defenses - he was also good at throwing receivers open (putting the ball in a place the WR can run to get it where the DB can't).. If this staff can get him to understand his limitations and play within himself he may be a decent fit for this system as a college QB... Not saying he will be great but he may be serviceable if the rest of the team plays well..

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  • No one, and I mean no one that is drug free should exceed 1 gram per pound of body weight a day. Even with today's higher BA ratings for proteins you will put too much stress on the kidneys if you do that for any extended period of time. Given the high BA ratings, there is even less need for the big numbers. Timing of protein and carb intake is more important than quantity. It is important that they ingest 60-80 grams of carbs immediately following their last work set, due to a 300% greater glycogen replenishment window for the 15 minutes following their last workset. Protein should follow up that carb dose by about 20-30 minutes.(BCAA dose b/f workout recently found to be very beneficial as well) Gotta be careful with the type of carb intake post workout though. Need to avoid an insulin spike, as that will shut down growth hormone release.

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    new-era said... Psu doesnt have enough to beat the conferences better teams and wiscy is one of them.

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  • beaglespackers said...

    I have had a nutrionist tell me that all you do is waste your money on that stuff. He said that most Americans consume enough protein in their diet (because we eat larger meat portions) and that all the whey protein that people put in their body is just urinated out...don't know how true it is, but i think based of what he knows, it could very well be true.

    Your nutritionist is clueless on athletes diets then. Protein is much needed. As far as supplements, protein is really the only one worthy (creatine is not bad if they are allowed to use it). Supplements for general health arent bad like fish oil, vitamin D when u dont get sunlight, etc...But all those bodybuilding supplements are mainly garbage.

    You find out life's this game of inches, so is football. Because in either game, life or football-the margin for error is so small. -Pacino

    tmaluchnik

  • arch1102 said...

    I was always told that is true for the casual weightlifter....for someone looking to gain mass its not. Need at least 1-1.5 grams of protein per body pound per day, but no more than 50 at a time or its wasted. For me it would be 190-275 grams per day, and i know i dont eat that off meals alone

    No more than 50g of protein at a sitting is false. You could eat 200gs of protein in one sitting and you are not wasting it, it just takes a longer time to digest. There are protein limits, but they are based over a day, not at one sitting.

    Also, before someone mentions it, eating carbs before bed will not make you fat (or eating before bed period).

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by tmaluchnik on 4/18/2012 at 11:25 PM

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  • 24_palehorse said...

    No one, and I mean no one that is drug free should exceed 1 gram per pound of body weight a day. Even with today's higher BA ratings for proteins you will put too much stress on the kidneys if you do that for any extended period of time. Given the high BA ratings, there is even less need for the big numbers. Timing of protein and carb intake is more important than quantity. It is important that they ingest 60-80 grams of carbs immediately following their last work set, due to a 300% greater glycogen replenishment window for the 15 minutes following their last workset. Protein should follow up that carb dose by about 20-30 minutes.(BCAA dose b/f workout recently found to be very beneficial as well) Gotta be careful with the type of carb intake post workout though. Need to avoid an insulin spike, as that will shut down growth hormone release.

    Please cite research of protein destroying kidneys.

    From Alan Aragon (I am sure you know him):

    "
    Back in 1983, researchers first discovered that eating more protein increases your “glomerular filtration rate,” or GFR. Think of GFR as the amount of blood your kidneys are filtering per minute. From this finding, many scientists made the leap that a higher GFR places your kidneys under greater stress.

    What science really shows:
    Nearly 2 decades ago, Dutch researchers found that while a protein-rich meal did boost GFR, it didn’t have an adverse effect on overall kidney function. In fact, there’s zero published research showing that downing hefty amounts of protein—specifically, up to 1.27 grams per pound of body weight a day—damages healthy kidneys."

    This post was edited by tmaluchnik on 4/18/2012 at 11:22 PM

    You find out life's this game of inches, so is football. Because in either game, life or football-the margin for error is so small. -Pacino

    tmaluchnik

  • 24_palehorse said...

    No one, and I mean no one that is drug free should exceed 1 gram per pound of body weight a day. Even with today's higher BA ratings for proteins you will put too much stress on the kidneys if you do that for any extended period of time. Given the high BA ratings, there is even less need for the big numbers. Timing of protein and carb intake is more important than quantity. It is important that they ingest 60-80 grams of carbs immediately following their last work set, due to a 300% greater glycogen replenishment window for the 15 minutes following their last workset. Protein should follow up that carb dose by about 20-30 minutes.(BCAA dose b/f workout recently found to be very beneficial as well) Gotta be careful with the type of carb intake post workout though. Need to avoid an insulin spike, as that will shut down growth hormone release.

    No offense man, I'm not at all trying to be a confrontational, but just fyi, a lot of what you said is rejected wholeheartedly by professionals and sports nutritionists/trainers.
    - There is not a consensus on protein intake, but research has shown no persuasive evidence that high protein is dangerous. Kidney problems related to a high protein diet is only theory at this point. Most sports trainers recommend 1-2 grams per pound of bodyweight (Lyle McDonald recommends 1.5). Although a lot of protein is wasted and pissed away, there can be small benefits from consuming such a high amount...and to professionals, those small gains are everything.
    - Nutrient timing MAY have some benefits, but is not even close to being as important as athletes reaching their macronutrient targets.
    - The "anabolic window" you alluded to has absolutely zero science behind it. Some people swear by it because they get it from supplement companies trying to sell products. A pre-workout meal can certainly keep the body in an anabolic state after a workout so it depends on the person if a post workout meal is beneficial. Macronutrients are far more critical.
    - It doesn't matter the type of carb you eat post workout; muscle glycogen will be replenished with either form. But, even that is irrelevant because faster glycogen replenishment does not necessarily equate to increased protein synthesis.

    LambeauLeap

  • LambeauLeap said...

    No offense man, I'm not at all trying to be a confrontational, but just fyi, a lot of what you said is rejected wholeheartedly by professionals and sports nutritionists/trainers. - There is not a consensus on protein intake, but research has shown no persuasive evidence that high protein is dangerous. Kidney problems related to a high protein diet is only theory at this point. Most sports trainers recommend 1-2 grams per pound of bodyweight (Lyle McDonald recommends 1.5). Although a lot of protein is wasted and pissed away, there can be small benefits from consuming such a high amount...and to professionals, those small gains are everything. - Nutrient timing MAY have some benefits, but is not even close to being as important as athletes reaching their macronutrient targets. - The "anabolic window" you alluded to has absolutely zero science behind it. Some people swear by it because they get it from supplement companies trying to sell products. A pre-workout meal can certainly keep the body in an anabolic state after a workout so it depends on the person if a post workout meal is beneficial. Macronutrients are far more critical. - It doesn't matter the type of carb you eat post workout; muscle glycogen will be replenished with either form. But, even that is irrelevant because faster glycogen replenishment does not necessarily equate to increased protein synthesis.

    Good post. Lyle is a dick, but he has some good books out. Nice to see we got some people that dont base their health and fitness of bodybuilding magazines and broscience that are bogus and based on philosophies from years ago (like "stoking the metabolic fire"), I am not saying 24 does as he does seem knowledgable, but just a general comment.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by tmaluchnik on 4/18/2012 at 11:41 PM

    You find out life's this game of inches, so is football. Because in either game, life or football-the margin for error is so small. -Pacino

    tmaluchnik

  • @tmaluchnik said...

    No more than 50g of protein at a sitting is false. You could eat 200gs of protein in one sitting and you are not wasting it, it just takes a longer time to digest. There are protein limits, but they are based over a day, not at one sitting.

    Also, before someone mentions it, eating carbs before bed will not make you fat (or eating before bed period).

    +1

    When I do intermittent fasting, I consume all of my daily calories with 2 meals within 5 hours each day and my big meal has around 140 grams of protein in it. No strength loss whatsoever.

    The fallacies of nutrition are too many to count.

    LambeauLeap

  • @tmaluchnik said...

    Good post. Lyle is a dick, but he has some good books out. Nice to see we got some people that dont base their health and fitness of bodybuilding magazines and broscience that are bogus and based on philosophies from years ago (like "stoking the metabolic fire"), I am not saying 24 does as he does seem knowledgable, but just a general comment.

    Agreed. Broscience is so rampant because of the multibillion dollar supplement industry that it takes the places of science. Very sad.

    Lyle McDonald and Alan Aragon are the cream of the crop for sports nutrition imo. I learned a ton from their work.

    LambeauLeap

  • LambeauLeap said...

    +1

    When I do intermittent fasting, I consume all of my daily calories with 2 meals within 5 hours each day and my big meal has around 140 grams of protein in it. No strength loss whatsoever.

    The fallacies of nutrition are too many to count.

    Interesting! I do LeanGains IF. Actually have a success post that Berkhan posted on his blog.

    I usually do 2 meals in a 3-4 hour window. It just suits my lifestyle best for me and I love it.

    I used to subscribe to AA Research Review, but he kept running like 2months late on getting his monthly review out, I just canned it, but it was usually pretty good. Not a bad investment for a month to print off the old reviews for some toilet reading $10/month.

    You find out life's this game of inches, so is football. Because in either game, life or football-the margin for error is so small. -Pacino

    tmaluchnik

  • Reigle9 said...

    That is insanity they weren't allowed to take any supps. Hopefully Fitz feels differently cause they'll probably need some with his workouts.

    This is how false rumors get started.

    Pennoyer

  • Thanks for the insight lambeau and tmaluchnik. With all the fallacies out there, it's tough to understand what's true and what's not.

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