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Walk on scholly's

  • From what I have read on here, it seems that we will be around 70 scholarships next year. Therefore BOB can hand out 15 scholly's for next year. I am not saying he would do it, but could he give a ship to a 13 walk on? Does a kid need to be on campus for a year before eligible for one? I would think not but maybe someone smarter than me has the answer.

    LBU59

  • LBU59 said...

    From what I have read on here, it seems that we will be around 70 scholarships next year. Therefore BOB can hand out 15 scholly's for next year. I am not saying he would do it, but could he give a ship to a 13 walk on? Does a kid need to be on campus for a year before eligible for one? I would think not but maybe someone smarter than me has the answer.

    I'm not sure what you mean by this "Therefore BOB can hand out 15 scholly's for next year". That's a true statement but you realize that limit includes the incoming class, don't you?" There is no time frame for how long a walk on kid needs to be on campus before he gets a scholarship. However, unless he's been here for TWO years, he will count against the initial counter limit of 15.

    It sounds like you think O'Brien can hand out 15 scholarships to any kids who are here (to bring out total to 85) and they won't count but that is not true.

    This post was edited by UncleLar on 12/17/2012 at 5:13 PM

    UncleLar

  • UncleLar said...

    I'm not sure what you mean by this "Therefore BOB can hand out 15 scholly's for next year". That's a true statement but you realize that limit includes the incoming class, don't you?" There is no time frame for how long a walk on kid needs to be on campus before he gets a scholarship. However, unless he's been here for TWO years, he will count against the initial counter limit of 15.

    It sounds like you think O'Brien can hand out 15 scholarships to any kids who are here (to bring out total to 85) and they won't count but that is not true.

    I was referring to one year ships, which I believe can be done. I may be mistaken though. That's why I asked.

    LBU59

  • LBU59 said...

    I was referring to one year ships, which I believe can be done. I may be mistaken though. That's why I asked.

    You are mistaken

    UncleLar

  • UncleLar said...

    You are mistaken

    The NCAA website clearly states that if PSU drops below 65 during the sanctions they can give a walkon a scollie to bring it up to 65 even if the 15 per yr are used. Not sure why this wouldn't apply for walkons already on campus for 2013 as long as they have been in the program for at least 2yrs.

    http://www.ncaa.com/news/ncaa/article/2012-07-23/explanation-penn-st-sanctions

    Edit - sorry if this is what you meant.

    This post was edited by PSUfaninOnt on 12/17/2012 at 9:21 PM

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  • PSUfaninOnt said...

    The NCAA website clearly states that if PSU drops below 65 during the sanctions they can give a walkon a scollie to bring it up to 65 even if the 15 per yr are used. Not sure why this wouldn't apply for walkons already on campus for 2013 as long as they have been in the program for at least 2yrs.

    http://www.ncaa.com/news/ncaa/article/2012-07-23/explanation-penn-st-sanctions

    Edit - sorry if this is what you meant.

    That's what I was referring to when I said "However, unless he's been here for TWO years, he will count against the initial counter limit of 15."

    UncleLar

  • UncleLar said...

    I'm not sure what you mean by this "Therefore BOB can hand out 15 scholly's for next year". That's a true statement but you realize that limit includes the incoming class, don't you?" There is no time frame for how long a walk on kid needs to be on campus before he gets a scholarship. However, unless he's been here for TWO years, he will count against the initial counter limit of 15.

    It sounds like you think O'Brien can hand out 15 scholarships to any kids who are here (to bring out total to 85) and they won't count but that is not true.

    So theoretically, once the roster limits on scholarship players kick in, if we anticipate falling below 65 scholarships, we could invite a kid to be a preferred walk-on and then give him a scholarship right away (provided we fall below 65), thus potentially circumventing the 15 scholarships per year limit?

    This post was edited by NittanyValley on 12/18/2012 at 1:58 AM

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  • NittanyValley said...

    So theoretically, once the roster limits on scholarship players kick in, if we anticipate falling below 65 scholarships, we could invite a kid to be a preferred walk-on and then give him a scholarship right away (provided we fall below 65), thus potentially circumventing the 15 scholarships per year limit?

    You read that post wrong. If a kid is on campus for less than 2 years and is given a scholarship, he is treated as an incoming recruit and would count against that year's 15 initial counter limit. Once the kid is on campus for 2+ years, he can be given a scholarship without it counting against the 15 limit.

    WeRPennSt

  • NittanyValley said...

    So theoretically, once the roster limits on scholarship players kick in, if we anticipate falling below 65 scholarships, we could invite a kid to be a preferred walk-on and then give him a scholarship right away (provided we fall below 65), thus potentially circumventing the 15 scholarships per year limit?

    Actually, that is what the staff needs to sell walk-on candidates right now. The possibility of getting a scholarship once you are a Jr or Sr.

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  • Unless we have a lot of attrition in the next two years, and there is not much in those classes that I expect to move on unless it is to the pros, I don't see much chance of dropping below 65 until 2016-17 and the following season we are still at a 65; limit but have 25 to give out so there will be none available that year. Without attrition we will be below 15 in the next two cycles although I expect that there will be enough attrition to bring us up to 15 in the second of those two cycles. Don't think we get to 15 next yr though.

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  • NittanyValley said...

    So theoretically, once the roster limits on scholarship players kick in, if we anticipate falling below 65 scholarships, we could invite a kid to be a preferred walk-on and then give him a scholarship right away (provided we fall below 65), thus potentially circumventing the 15 scholarships per year limit?

    Duh. NO, banghead

    The point of that post and the rest of the thread was to explain how that view is wrong.

    Unless a walk-on has been here for two years, he counts against the 15 number.

    This post has been edited 4 times, most recently by UncleLar on 12/18/2012 at 10:03 AM

    UncleLar

  • WeRPennSt said...

    You read that post wrong. If a kid is on campus for less than 2 years and is given a scholarship, he is treated as an incoming recruit and would count against that year's 15 initial counter limit. Once the kid is on campus for 2+ years, he can be given a scholarship without it counting against the 15 limit.

    Ahh, got it. Makes sense now.

    NittanyValley

  • UncleLar said...

    Duh. NO, banghead

    The point of that post and the rest of the thread was to explain how that view is wrong.

    Unless a walk-on has been here for two years, he counts against the 15 number.

    Yeah, I get that now.

    I think the whole part that threw me off was that OP was originally talking about next year and not when the 65 roster limit takes effect in 2 years (which explicitly allows Penn State to award additional scholarships to walk-on players if we drop below 65).

    This post was edited by NittanyValley on 12/18/2012 at 11:34 AM

    NittanyValley

  • NittanyValley said...

    Yeah, I get that now.

    I think the whole part that threw me off was that OP was originally talking about next year and not when the 65 roster limit takes effect in 2 years (which explicitly allows Penn State to award additional scholarships to walk-on players if we drop below 65).

    That's what I was referring to.

    LBU59

  • NittanyValley said...

    Yeah, I get that now.

    I think the whole part that threw me off was that OP was originally talking about next year and not when the 65 roster limit takes effect in 2 years (which explicitly allows Penn State to award additional scholarships to walk-on players if we drop below 65).

    Yes, it allows them to award scholarships but, once again, ONLY to kids who have been here for two years already. Telling a kid he has to pay his own way for two years, and hope that we fall below 65 so that he can be given a scholarship is not any sort of plan to get around the 15 initial counter limit.

    UncleLar

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