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  • I just thought of something I haven't heard anywhere else. This might be an issue regardless of where he goes including PSU.

    Urban Meyer is in a bit of a unique spot in the sense that he left his last job voluntarily, had a lot of staff leave him in the years leading up to his departure as well, and has been out of the game for a full season now.

    Generally when a big time coach switches programs he can bring most of his staff with him. But with Mullen, Addazzio, Charlie Strong etc etc etc all moving on to other jobs, and assuming his last staff at UF took other positions as they can't afford to miss a years pay, who does he bring with him to his next gig?

    One would have to think he would have almost no choice but to retain at least a small percentage of the current staff, no? I realize there will be tons of guys who would want to coach for PSU and under Urban Meyer, but it might be tough to get guys he knows and is comfortable with. I think staff continuity could be a major issue for him the first year or so.

  • 24_Zackattack7 said...

    I just thought of something I haven't heard anywhere else. This might be an issue regardless of where he goes including PSU.

    Urban Meyer is in a bit of a unique spot in the sense that he left his last job voluntarily, had a lot of staff leave him in the years leading up to his departure as well, and has been out of the game for a full season now.

    Generally when a big time coach switches programs he can bring most of his staff with him. But with Mullen, Addazzio, Charlie Strong etc etc etc all moving on to other jobs, and assuming his last staff at UF took other positions as they can't afford to miss a years pay, who does he bring with him to his next gig?

    One would have to think he would have almost no choice but to retain at least a small percentage of the current staff, no? I realize there will be tons of guys who would want to coach for PSU and under Urban Meyer, but it might be tough to get guys he knows and is comfortable with. I think staff continuity could be a major issue for him the first year or so.

    shouldn't be an issue. a guy like Urban knows enough people to put together a terrific staff whereever.

    the only one that I've heard would possibly stay is LJ.

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  • Yea I think LJ stays and becomes the DC. UM would have no problem in putting a staff together. After this past weekend he is probably getting calls as we speak..

    TpaFan

  • I think keeping LJ is paramount. He has built a great relationship with X, among many others we are recruiting this year and beyond, not to mention his players have had great success while at PSU and in the pros. Everyone else would be gone IMO.

    ...and if you're not down with that, then I got 2 words for ya.."suck it!!"

    paupacklion

  • Bradley is a PSU lifer, through & through. I think if Meyer wanted him back, Bradley would think long & hard about it.

    . . . .then again, Bradley is building that house up in Nevillewood, so who knows what his plans are. I know he likes to drop into the Bottleshop in Collier Twp, south of Pittsburgh - for the cute barmaids. LOL

    WebSiteMob

  • JMO, if you can keep LJ and Vandy, that would be tremendous. Vandy is a guy that has had interviews for head coaching gigs, but comes up short for whatever reason. Would he uproot to another division I school as an assistant? I have no idea. Someone will most likely be staying, but I shudder with the thought of one name staying on board. Unfortunately, that might be the sticking point to this scenario working out.

    This post was edited by Hamilton Lion on 10/11/2011 at 9:18 AM

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  • Hamilton Lion said...

    JMO, if you can keep LJ and Vandy, that would be tremendous. Vandy is a guy that has had interviews for head coaching gigs, but comes up short for whatever reason. Would he uproot to another division I school as an assistant? I have no idea. Someone will most likely be staying, but I shudder with the thought of one name staying on board. Unfortunately, that might be the sticking point to this scenario working out.

    For the record, I think Jay would be a much better coach under Meyer than he is under Joe.

    #1- He can't get away with the crap he gets away with now (not recruiting)

    #2- He might be QB coach in name, but Meyer is a QB guy, he would be handling the bulk of it.

    #3- Jay might not be the best play caller, but despite what people think of him he really isn't a bad Xs and Os guy. Having his input on the staff, with Meyer being the playcaller as he was at UF would be the best of both worlds.

    Obviously keeping Jay wouldn't be ideal exactly, but it won't be the disaster some anticipate.

  • 24_Zackattack7 said...

    For the record, I think Jay would be a much better coach under Meyer than he is under Joe.

    #1- He can't get away with the crap he gets away with now (not recruiting)

    #2- He might be QB coach in name, but Meyer is a QB guy, he would be handling the bulk of it.

    #3- Jay might not be the best play caller, but despite what people think of him he really isn't a bad Xs and Os guy. Having his input on the staff, with Meyer being the playcaller as he was at UF would be the best of both worlds.

    Obviously keeping Jay wouldn't be ideal exactly, but it won't be the disaster some anticipate.

    So, if for #2, then why keep him on the staff?

    If I were UM, I would want the best possible staff I could get. Sorry, Jay Pa isn't among the best.

    The only benefit for keeping him is keeping daddy and the former first lady of the program happy. That isn't good enough for me. He is very arrogant, rubs people the wrong way; can't recruit and can't develop players let alone coach. So ...

    This post was edited by Hamilton Lion on 10/11/2011 at 9:36 AM

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  • 24_Zackattack7 said...

    For the record, I think Jay would be a much better coach under Meyer than he is under Joe.

    #1- He can't get away with the crap he gets away with now (not recruiting)

    #2- He might be QB coach in name, but Meyer is a QB guy, he would be handling the bulk of it.

    #3- Jay might not be the best play caller, but despite what people think of him he really isn't a bad Xs and Os guy. Having his input on the staff, with Meyer being the playcaller as he was at UF would be the best of both worlds.

    Obviously keeping Jay wouldn't be ideal exactly, but it won't be the disaster some anticipate.

    Jay would be gone with the wind unless UM would agree to some caveat and if he did I would not want UM. No HC worth his salt would come into this program and keep any offensive coaches baring big Red as a possible exception.

    #1 No where in the USA would Jay get away with the crap he gets away with here and mommy would not be able to help.

    #2 You are correct, Meyer doesn't need a tag along that he would have to train to coach QB's, why waste the slot.

    #3 UM calling Jay's plays, it ain't cold enough.

    Obviously keeping Jay would be a disaster. The Paterno era would be over yet you keep a Paterno who you say will set the playbook so UM can call the plays.....wow.....if UM agreed to that he should be immediately eliminated from consideration for the position. When you have a problem you correct it, you excise it, you factor it out but you certainly never, never, never perpetuate it.

    Meyer would be the laughingstock of college football if he kept Jay and then said Jay was running the offense while Meyer called the plays. Tail wagging the dog, again. Just like at FSU if a Bowden remained on the staff to run the offense while the new HC called the plays....never would work.

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  • Hamilton Lion said...

    So, if for #2, then why keep him on the staff?

    If I were UM, I would want the best possible staff I could get. Sorry, Jay Pa isn't among the best.

    The only benefit for keeping him is keeping daddy and the former first lady of the program happy. That isn't good enough for me. He is very arrogant, rubs people the wrong way; can't recruit and can't develop players let alone coach. So ...

    Not disagreeing with you in the slightest. But if keeping Jay on staff in order for Joe to give his blessing to Urban and step aside, I'd take it in 2 seconds.

  • Very interesting thread. I've thought about this before. Anybody have any idea who he might bring with him from outside the current PSU staff?? Could he possibly talk some big name assistants (OC in particular - maybe an Applewhite type guy from Texas, though he might be next in line there now that Muschamp is gone) into leaving their current programs to come with him? If so, who?

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  • We all know that Joe's contract is more about taking care of his assistance than it is for his own good. With that being said, I think if UM agrees to at least keep a solid amount of the coaches (i.e. LJ, Vandy, Bradly, Big Red) then the likelihood of this happening this off-season greatly increases. Of course, the x-factor in all this is Jay. Joe and Jay both know that he won't amount to anything outside of what he is here at PSU. I can't see Urban agreeing to keep Fredo but I'm sure that will be on Joe's wish list. Frankly, I can live with the aforementioned guys I listed above if they all are kept but Fredo. No way, ghost rider.

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  • PSUjosh11 said...

    We all know that Joe's contract is more about taking care of his assistance than it is for his own good. With that being said, I think if UM agrees to at least keep a solid amount of the coaches (i.e. LJ, Vandy, Bradly, Big Red)

    Don't expect to see LJ and Bradley working together again.

    CAJones10

  • CAJones10 said...

    Don't expect to see LJ and Bradley working together again.

    Very good point. I'd expect that at least one of them would stay.

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  • Meyer was pretty complimentary of the PSU defense during the broadcast. I would surprised if he didn't at least consider retaining Bradley, Vanderlinden, and Johnson. They are some of the top assistants in college football, and Meyer is smart enough to not want to reinvent the wheel.

    Of course, there are political issues here (e.g., would Bradley want to work for Meyer, and would Meyer want someone with such deep loyalty to the previous regime), and Meyer may have his own guys in mind that are just as good, but I wouldn't rule out the next head coach retaining those three defensive assistants, as well as McQueary and possibly Kenney and Buggs.

    Cambria Nittany

  • Meyer is going to build his own staff the way he wants to build it.
    A staff is really Meyer's own tools. Meyer knows he cant do the job if he doesnt have the right tools.

    The only staff member who the administration might push on Meyer, would be Jay - IF Joe somehow becomes willing to retire IF Jay is "taken care of". If Joe can bargain his retirement from a position of strength, he might ask (demand) that Jay be on the next staff.

    That shouldnt be a worry, because Meyer can keep him Jay line and marginalize Jay. For once in his life, Jay would have to abide by certain standards of accountability, and Meyer can always simply ignore him. Afer a year or two, Meyer could just fire Jay, if need be.

    WebSiteMob

  • CAJones10 said...

    Don't expect to see LJ and Bradley working together again.

    LJ turning down the Illinois DC job still has me scratching my head from the "why is he still at PSU if he still wants to coach for another X years". In other words, seems like he's either done when Joe's done or Joe gave him a specific outline about the future that caused LJ to decide to wait.

    This post was edited by amish on 10/11/2011 at 10:14 AM

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  • CAJones10 said...

    Don't expect to see LJ and Bradley working together again.

    Why not? Joe is the glue that has held the staff together -- Bradley, LJ, and Vanderlinden all could have left for more lucrative opportunities, and it is rare to have three assistants with that level of experience working together. But they have all worked together for 10-15 years, and they were rumored part of the package deal of Bradley to Temple and then to Pitt. I wouldn't rule out 2-3 of the current defensive assistants staying.

    If only one stays, my guess is that LJ retires, Bradley becomes a special teams or position coach in the NFL, and Vanderlinen is actually the one that stays (as defensive coordinator).

    This post was edited by Cambria Nittany on 10/11/2011 at 10:21 AM

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  • 24_Zackattack7 said...

    For the record, I think Jay would be a much better coach under Meyer than he is under Joe.

    #1- He can't get away with the crap he gets away with now (not recruiting)

    #2- He might be QB coach in name, but Meyer is a QB guy, he would be handling the bulk of it.

    #3- Jay might not be the best play caller, but despite what people think of him he really isn't a bad Xs and Os guy. Having his input on the staff, with Meyer being the playcaller as he was at UF would be the best of both worlds.

    Obviously keeping Jay wouldn't be ideal exactly, but it won't be the disaster some anticipate.

    Huh?

    #1 - If Jay is okay with getting away with not recruiting and things such as that...than that says a lot about HIS character. Why would you want that on staff?

    #2 - He's also okay with doing a job he knows he's not qualified for because his dad got it for him, all while being paid.

    #3 - I can think of 2,598 better people who can do the x's and o's for us than PS2 man.

    md154

  • Its Bradley and Vandy that dont always see eye to eye not Bradley and LJ.

    Itzsessil

  • amish said...

    LJ turning down the Illinois DC job still has me scratching my head from the "why is he still at PSU if he still wants to coach for another X years". In other words, seems like he's either done when Joe's done or Joe gave him a specific outline about the future that caused LJ to decide to wait.

    Maybe LJ thought Zook was going to get canned the following year, so why chance it. I was scratching my head as well when he turned it down, but then Zook's name was on the hot seat.

    Hamilton Lion

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  • Itzsessil said...

    Its Bradley and Vandy that dont always see eye to eye not Bradley and LJ.

    That's not accurate.

    CAJones10

  • I think it would be tough for Bradley to stick around.. As has been stated he is a PSU lifer, only thing is hes been under Joe forever.. It might be tough on him to have a new guy from outside the program calling the shots.. It may also be equally difficult for Rural Oscar or whoever the next coach is to have a guy like Bradley on the staff.. I think Bradley would be gone, LJ I think either retires or hangs out a little longer.. I could see Vandy sticking around..

    This post was edited by JTNITTANY on 10/11/2011 at 2:16 PM

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