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  • POV said...

    Dan Mullen was the QB coach at Utah. I highly doubt he deserves most of the credit there. It is hard to argue with his results at Miss. St. so far, though.

    Yes, but he did something that no one else could do... make Alex Smith look like a QB. Much props!

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  • tdiddy said...

    Has Joe suspended Johnnie Troutman?

    +1 tdiddy lol I was just thinking the same thing myself. And I dont believe that he has...

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  • tdiddy said...

    Last time I checked, Joe has recruited some questionable kids who have done questionable things under his watch.

    Also, UFs recent grad rates... 2005: 80% 2006: 80% 2007: 72% 2008: 68% 2009: 69% 2010: 67%

    Penn State: 2005: 84% 2006: 83% 2007: 76% 2008: 78% 2009: 85% 2010: 84%

    Prior to Meyers arrival in Gainesville in 2005, UFs grad rates for the preceding 4 yr period were 46, 48, 44, and 42 respectively. While not as high as PSUs, Meyer raised the grad rate of the team by roughly 30%, and the change was almost immediate. Florida consistently finished 2nd behind Vandy in GR...as we do behind NW. Again, he's not perfect, but the guy is far from a scoundrel either. He graduated over 70% of his players while winning a few NCs and sending a bunch of them to the NFL in the process. Not too shabby. I don't think it's ridiculous to believe he could run a highly competitive program with a 80% GR here.

    Finally...if he's so morally repugnant, why does Joe hang out with and like him so much?

    +1 tdiddy. Valuable info. Meyer would be fine by me. And he'd be able to recruit Ohio! Something that we are completely inept at right now... And he would install his own offense and get rid of Jay (thank God).

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  • Not only would Meyer be able to recruit Ohio but he can also recruit nationwide. He wouldn't be afraid to go to the south or to Texas.

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  • PK5 said...

    I was never the biggest fan of Meyer, but as time wore on, I started to like the guy. He was in the SEC...but yet he wasn't one of the huge big time cheaters. And obviously, it looks like he wanted to get away from that. Do I like his douche bag ways? His "My dream told you to come to Florida"? Not at all, but that's how recruiting works (unfortunately). Not to mention, Joe has a liking for the guy.

    If Urban ends up at Penn State, we'll win a NC in 4 years. He'll get us Top 5 recruiting classes every single season. Really hope it happens.

    As for who would I interview...

    Urban Meyer
    Pat Fitzgerald
    Al Golden
    Kirby Smart
    Greg Schiano
    Mike London
    James Franklin

    The Dungy's and Stoops'...not realistic IMO.

    The only time I want Schiano on campus is to take an ass kicking from us. I only have 4 guys I would love to have.

    Al Golden
    Urban Meter
    Jon Gruden
    Bill Cowher

    There are others I like, but those 4 stand out to me.

    We Are27731

  • rmj147 said...

    ??? I dont remember him being involved at anything after building UTAH (of all places)... If you can build that program cleanly, you can build anywhere... And he was clean at Florida too... I'd take Meyer for sure...

    But my dream guy would be Jim Caldwell from the Colts. Younger than Dungy (my other dream guy) or Meyer I believe... Penn State guy, learned under Joe AND Dungy?!!! Great demeanor, nice guy, gets the "coached Peyton Manning" card, would be able to recruit anywhere, already understands the school, already lived the "win with honor" mantra... Just a great coach. And Manning would co-sign lol

    Or Mullen, another PA guy with a good pedigree and a great offense... Only question would be the defense... Would coach Van and Bradley stay? Or would it be a complete overhaul?

    Caldwell isn't a very good coach. Ask anyone in NFL circles.

    Devon2012

  • Devon2012 said...

    Caldwell isn't a very good coach. Ask anyone in NFL circles.

    I am basing my assessment on NFL circles... Word is he's a great coach. And having that NFL pedigree learning under Dungy (as well as Joe Pa) is huge. There are plenty of "insiders" that call him a great coach... And they know way more than you or me... And if Peyton co-signs, I have to believe one of the best QB's to take a snap in the pros as well...

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  • We Are..... said...

    The only time I want Schiano on campus is to take an ass kicking from us. I only have 4 guys I would love to have.

    Al Golden Urban Meter Jon Gruden Bill Cowher

    There are others I like, but those 4 stand out to me.

    Why would Bill Cowher come to PSU?

    More and more I think Gruden would end up being a bad hire...I don't think he could adapt to the rules of the college game.

    As for Schiano, I wouldn't be keen with him as coach, but I wouldn't mind him getting an interview.

    Also, add Dan Mullen and Chris Peterson to my list.

    This post was edited by PK5 on 7/13/2011 at 2:22 PM

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  • Hamilton Lion said...

    Gary Patterson would be at the top of my list to be interviewed.

    Look at TCU's graduation rate from the football team in his time there- not sold.

    He's an incredible X's and O's coach, but he doesn't put much emphasis on the student part of student-athlete.

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  • Texas Lion said...

    Look at TCU's graduation rate from the football team in his time there- not sold.

    He's an incredible X's and O's coach, but he doesn't put much emphasis on the student part of student-athlete.

    Besides graduation rates, etc. One of the biggest issues for me would be "could they recruit in the northeast?" Recruiting is a major thing for a college coaching staff, and whoever PSU brings in needs to be able to recruit in our region. Some coaches would have no issues with this based on name recognition alone, but others may. I am not saying a Garry Patterson couldn't come into PSU as a coach and clean house in PA for recruiting, I just question if he could. Whereas I think Urban Meyer would have no issues seeing what he did in his time at Utah and Florida.

    My list:
    Urban Meyer
    Dan Mullen
    Mike Munchak
    Al Golden

    I think Urban Meyer would be the homerun that most fans would embrace. I think he would quickly put PSU back at elite status in college football. If JoePa supports him I think the vast majority of the fan base would as well.

    PvillePA_Lion ●

  • Look at brady hoke at Michigan. We'll be fine recruiting regardless of who we pick. The PSU brand does a lot of the work. Just pick a somewhat young coach who will continue the PSU culture, has a good football brain, and the rest will take care of itself, as long as we look good on the field, and the game day atmosphere continues to be what it is.

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  • appoo said...

    Look at brady hoke at Michigan. We'll be fine recruiting regardless of who we pick. The PSU brand does a lot of the work. Just pick a somewhat young coach who will continue the PSU culture, has a good football brain, and the rest will take care of itself, as long as we look good on the field, and the game day atmosphere continues to be what it is.

    That may be true, but don't forget that Brady Hoke also had strong ties to Michigan before he took over as HC.

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  • tdiddy said...

    Officially nominated for 2011 Pridey Award for Douche Post of the Year.

    BTW, Joe would be 93 in 2020.

    How Ironic the name is too

    Try to fathom the hypocrisy of a Government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured .but not prove they're a citizen

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  • PsuTimm said...

    I'd be really torn. I don't know that there is a better coach/recruiter out there...but there are some issues at Florida. That's the one school that I've heard first hand testimony about boosters paying the football players. I am loyal to Joe, sometimes to a fault, and I always point to his character and the respect that Penn State commands because of it... supporting Meyer makes me feel like I'm compromising.

    But why? Joe likes him (Urban) and if Joe and his moral character like Urban then why shouldn't you?

    I posted on this right before the bowl game when Joe was all buddy buddy with Urban. I said that if you think Urban is a snake and a bad person and the complete opposite of what Joe is then you (not you personally) should be upset with Joe for being so buddy buddy with Meyer and friends with him etc. and I got blasted for it. However, you could look at it the other way, if Joe is friends with Meyer and likes him then maybe he isn't the snake or bad person everyone makes him out to be. People don't like Urban because he wins, that's MO anyways.

    For the record, boosters have paid players at EVERY major football program in America. EVERY includes PSU. I'm not saying it is rampant everywhere but it has and does happen everywhere and it will always happen unless players are paid by the University. Hell, I bet it would still happen then.

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    sneakypete

  • appoo said...

    Beyond his questionable recruiting tactics, I'd want less than nothing to do with that offense of his.

    For me, if Penn State wants experience it's Tom Bradley. Outside of the program I'd like to see Pat Fitzgerald, the current Georgia coach, Al Golden, or perhaps take a flyer at young, former player.

    The offense that won 2 MNC's in 5 years? The offense that incorporated Tebow and Leak? Last year their offense blew, they had no identity and rotated 3 QB's and didn't pick a scheme etc. It's one year. Florida would roll PSU again and again. What are you smoking???

    But you like PSU's offense? loco

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  • tdiddy said...

    Last time I checked, Joe has recruited some questionable kids who have done questionable things under his watch.

    Also, UFs recent grad rates... 2005: 80% 2006: 80% 2007: 72% 2008: 68% 2009: 69% 2010: 67%

    Penn State: 2005: 84% 2006: 83% 2007: 76% 2008: 78% 2009: 85% 2010: 84%

    Prior to Meyers arrival in Gainesville in 2005, UFs grad rates for the preceding 4 yr period were 46, 48, 44, and 42 respectively. While not as high as PSUs, Meyer raised the grad rate of the team by roughly 30%, and the change was almost immediate. Florida consistently finished 2nd behind Vandy in GR...as we do behind NW. Again, he's not perfect, but the guy is far from a scoundrel either. He graduated over 70% of his players while winning a few NCs and sending a bunch of them to the NFL in the process. Not too shabby. I don't think it's ridiculous to believe he could run a highly competitive program with a 80% GR here.

    Finally...if he's so morally repugnant, why does Joe hang out with and like him so much?

    Tdiddy you know as well as I do that there are plenty of Joe apologists who think he is perfect and everyone else cheats, lies, steals, kills, rapes and pillage. Just read a few posters in this thread. They don't think anything questionable or against the rules has ever happened at PSU. They don't think that when Joe use to recruit and work hard that he hustled and slang BS. They blame any problem players PSU has on a DA and police out to get them and state they are just college kids doing college things but the second it happens elsewhere the kids are a problem, the coach is a snake etc. It's a joke

    And you know first hand how many times I asked your last question.

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    sneakypete

  • PvillePA_Lion said...

    Besides graduation rates, etc. One of the biggest issues for me would be "could they recruit in the northeast?" Recruiting is a major thing for a college coaching staff, and whoever PSU brings in needs to be able to recruit in our region. Some coaches would have no issues with this based on name recognition alone, but others may. I am not saying a Garry Patterson couldn't come into PSU as a coach and clean house in PA for recruiting, I just question if he could. Whereas I think Urban Meyer would have no issues seeing what he did in his time at Utah and Florida.

    My list:
    Urban Meyer
    Dan Mullen
    Mike Munchak
    Al Golden

    I think Urban Meyer would be the homerun that most fans would embrace. I think he would quickly put PSU back at elite status in college football. If JoePa supports him I think the vast majority of the fan base would as well.

    I know every region is different, but after seeing him come in and put TCU in the conversation for big time Texas recruits I consider Patterson a tremendous recruiter.

    He didn't land many last year, but the fact that TCU was mentioned with that DE from SoCal, a few big time receivers, and Gray the) from this cycle, is a huge accomplishment. I doubt he would leave TCU though, and his academic record is terrible, so I personally won't lose sleep over not interviewing him.

    Personally, I'm not a big fan of Meyer's. Honestly, having a program in Gainesville, you would have to TRY to screw up a recruiting class. Even before the MNC's, that program sold itself: girls, weather, SEC, etc.

    What he did at Utah was great, and he deserves all the props in the world for that, and his MNC's are nothing to scoff at, but I don't see him continuing the "Grand Experiment" at PSU- at least to the standard that Joe does now.

    Also, people don't give Mullen and Strong enough credit for Meyer's success. That was an unbelievable staff, and when Mullen, Adazzio, and Strong left, you saw a serious drop off in success (see last season). JMO, but I have a hard time accepting a coach that let one of the most talented two-deeps in the country do so poorly with open arms.

    However, with all that being said, I'm still pretty sure he's in the top 3 of available coaching candidates. I like Al Golden if he can be swayed from Miami, but I think if he rights that ship it will be tough convincing him to leave. I think Scrap is a guy who should be considered also.

    Sorry for the length, long road trip with nothing else to do.

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  • BaltLions24 said...

    You don't remember the whole fiasco surrounding the Brandon Spikes eye-gauging?? This same player punted the ball into the stands after scoring a pick 6.. i think every PSU fan would be disgusted if our players started doing that..

    I don't. Plenty of fans were fine with Matt McGloin going over to OSU fans and their student section and taunting them and talking trash after throwing an int. I read over and over that it is his emotion, moxie, fire, competitiveness etc. Let's not pretend or make things up. PSU fans ignore it when it happens to them and bash everyone else.

    As for Spikes, did Urban tell him to do that? Have you ever played football? If so, you know that all kinds of things happen in football and pile ups etc. that aren't caught by the camera. Biting, kicking, punching, eye gauging every former player that covered that story said it was wrong but that it happens all the time.

    This post was edited by sneakypete on 7/13/2011 at 4:01 PM

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  • PvillePA_Lion said...

    Besides graduation rates, etc. One of the biggest issues for me would be "could they recruit in the northeast?" Recruiting is a major thing for a college coaching staff, and whoever PSU brings in needs to be able to recruit in our region. Some coaches would have no issues with this based on name recognition alone, but others may. I am not saying a Garry Patterson couldn't come into PSU as a coach and clean house in PA for recruiting, I just question if he could. Whereas I think Urban Meyer would have no issues seeing what he did in his time at Utah and Florida.

    My list: Urban Meyer Dan Mullen Mike Munchak Al Golden

    I think Urban Meyer would be the homerun that most fans would embrace. I think he would quickly put PSU back at elite status in college football. If JoePa supports him I think the vast majority of the fan base would as well.

    Cmon man, if you can make TCU relevant in Texas, you can recruit anywhere... I like Patterson too and forgot him. Add him to the list...

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  • rmj147 said...

    Cmon man, if you can make TCU relevant in Texas, you can recruit anywhere... I like Patterson too and forgot him. Add him to the list...

    Another point I didn't want to put into my last post due to length, but there have been a few rumors around town that TCU's new recruits were getting some handshakes around town.

    Honestly I'm no sure if its true, I haven't been there to witness anything shady, but after growing up with TCU alumni I don't find it hard to believe.

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  • Texas Lion said...

    Another point I didn't want to put into my last post due to length, but there have been a few rumors around town that TCU's new recruits were getting some handshakes around town.

    Honestly I'm no sure if its true, I haven't been there to witness anything shady, but after growing up with TCU alumni I don't find it hard to believe.

    Well I hope that it isn't true... Just for the sake of the status of college FB... We need some positivity. Well except for the #uckeyes lol Go ahead and pile on OSU lol WE ARE

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  • Texas Lion said...

    Another point I didn't want to put into my last post due to length, but there have been a few rumors around town that TCU's new recruits were getting some handshakes around town.

    Honestly I'm no sure if its true, I haven't been there to witness anything shady, but after growing up with TCU alumni I don't find it hard to believe.

    Well...considering the last time a 2nd tier team in Texas suddenly rose to stardom...

    The only difference is that they're not taking 5* kids away from Texas and Oklahoma yet. SMU was landing top 10 kids out from under Texas and A&Ms noses. It's easier for me to believe that they're clean while they're still landing a majority of mid-tier kids with limited Big 12 offers. That's why I never understood why people claimed Boise was dirty. They were signing a bunch of 2 and 3* kids from CA and ID with offers from Utah State and Wyoming. If you're going to pay kids, at least get the best ones.

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  • tdiddy said...

    Well...considering the last time a 2nd tier team in Texas suddenly rose to stardom...

    The only difference is that they're not taking 5* kids away from Texas and Oklahoma yet. SMU was landing top 10 kids out from under Texas and A&Ms noses. It's easier for me to believe that they're clean while they're still landing a majority of mid-tier kids with limited Big 12 offers. That's why I never understood why people claimed Boise was dirty. They were signing a bunch of 2 and 3* kids from CA and ID with offers from Utah State and Wyoming. If you're going to pay kids, at least get the best ones.

    I can't speak about TCU, but I know Boise State has done a pretty good job going the JC route over the last few years.

    You are right ... these schools are taking the kids nobody else wanted and turning them into winners.

    If winning was easy even losers would do it.

    Lang06

  • Lang06 said...

    I can't speak about TCU, but I know Boise State has done a pretty good job going the JC route over the last few years.

    You are right ... these schools are taking the kids nobody else wanted and turning them into winners.

    That's what a good coach can do. That's why I want Chris Peterson. Imagine what he could do with recruits/players he could get at PSU!!!! panic

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  • Matt Hayes was dead on with this one.

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