The Lions' Pride

If OSU wasn't about to get nailed by the NCAA, I would have thought he was going to Columbus.

Really, really hope not. He's a snake. I'd rather Joe coaches until 2020 than Meyer coaches one game here.

Yes, and he would still have twenty times the moral fiber of Urban Meyer--in his big toe alone.

I heard it and it's far from the first time I've heard Meyer and PSU as apparently he thinks he won't have to deal with the boosters as much and really can back to coaching without all the dirt of the SEC or an OSU.

Couple of other interesting things...the Gene Smith interview. Hayes basically said OSU is on crack for thinking that is all they get. He expects them to get hammered. After listening to it, Smith really is clueless. Not only did they fire JT after they said they weren't...now they granted him his reitrement instead. So basically he resigned with benefits and still gets what he wants from OSU. They went from I hope he doesn't fire us. Then it was he resigned and then it was a forced resgination. Now it's a retirement....they are all over the place and Smith may be the biggest idiot around.

The other funny thing is on the Orgeon is Hayes call Lyles a scumbag who has been made out to be a saint that helps the kids. He basically called it like it is...the dude is a pimp and there are hundreds just like him. If you don't play ball with guys like him...most kids won't even sniff your school. Again this is where a ton of PSU fans have their head in the clouds. Joe not visiting and not playing the pimp game (7v7 teams too) will impact PSU's ability to land certain kids. If you don't think so...you really are out of touch with college football today.

One other thing Devon...PSU would be lucky as hell to get Meyer. He left the game because he hated the snake part of it and that is apparently why PSU is high on his list.

You have no utter clue what you're talking about. Meyer isn't perfect. He's made some odd sales pitches in his day. So has Joe. Is it moral for an 84 yr old man to tell recruits that he will NEVER retire or die? It's sales...in which BS is a most effective weapon. If you don't think Joe has shot around some BS to land a recruit in his day, youre living in a parallel universe. BS isn't against the rules, and PSU does it too. Red telling a recruit that NFL prospects are judged against the "Penn State athlete.". That would be BS.

BTW, opposing fan bases would've made the same comments about Joe in the 80's. Your game is weak.

I'd be really torn. I don't know that there is a better coach/recruiter out there...but there are some issues at Florida. That's the one school that I've heard first hand testimony about boosters paying the football players. I am loyal to Joe, sometimes to a fault, and I always point to his character and the respect that Penn State commands because of it... supporting Meyer makes me feel like I'm compromising.

Beyond his questionable recruiting tactics, I'd want less than nothing to do with that offense of his.

For me, if Penn State wants experience it's Tom Bradley. Outside of the program I'd like to see Pat Fitzgerald, the current Georgia coach, Al Golden, or perhaps take a flyer at young, former player.

Gary Patterson from TCU

p.s. I don't understand the dislike for Urban. He won at UTAH! I feel pretty confident that he did it "the right way" there. Then he proved he could do it in a big boy conference. Never been accused of cheating. Rumors that he left because of the rampant problems in the SEC. Finally, even Joe has gone out of his way to praise Meyer and apparently would support his hire.

Well, he wasn't going to suspend Carlos Dunlap for a DUI until after the media found out about it. And that's just the first thing that comes to my head.

He left FL pretty quickly, only to change his mind a week later. And we thought JoePa was an unstable situation?

Didn't Urban Meyer say something in his book like Ohio State, Michigan and Notre Dame are the only schools his wife does not have veto power over? I hope she likes central Pennsylvania.