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Story: Corbett taking on NCAA

  • BlueBlood said...

    NCAA has a lot to lose here. If it goes to trial and they lose, then every program that from that point onward being punished by the NCAA can cite this trial in an attempt to evade sanctions. Penn State or the state of Pennsylvania really has nothing to lose but the cash it has to pony up for the lawsuit.

    Very wise point here. The worst thing from an NCAA standpoint is to risk a court decision that would set a legal precedent for future cases...or worse, explicitly say they broke the law.

    This post was edited by pab203psu on 1/2/2013 at 2:11 PM

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  • BlueBlood said...

    NCAA has a lot to lose here. If it goes to trial and they lose, then every program that from that point onward being punished by the NCAA can cite this trial in an attempt to evade sanctions. Penn State or the state of Pennsylvania really has nothing to lose but the cash it has to pony up for the lawsuit.

    I really don't think that is the case. If you read the lawsuit, it is being made on the premise that the NCAA does not have anything in it's "Manual" that covers sanctions due to criminal acts. The NCAA should be fine with average cases of academic and athletic cheating.

    getmyjive11

  • Well clearly the NCAA realizes that they're in trouble. Their response stated nothing of the facts of the case or what it's really about, just a shameless misdirection play that the football culture obsessed Pennsylvanians once again care nothing about the victims and the victims are who the NCAA were trying to protect by sanctioning unrelated student athletes, businesses, and an entire University and if the NCAA doesn't stand up for them who will?!?!. What a bunch of ..... If I ever see Emmert in public, it will take every ounce of restraint not to do something I'd regret....

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  • MTayl72 said...

    He just can't settle before then.

    IMHO, this will settle and never see a courtroom. Too much to lose for the NCAA. Too much potential to set future precedent that is adverse to the NCAA. Their initial rebuttal was very telling to me.

    This post was edited by strez on 1/2/2013 at 2:19 PM

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  • MTayl72 said...

    Winning the case will take years, he doesn't have that. The first Tuesday after the first Monday of November 2014 is the last day he has to care about winning this case. After that day, win or lose, his incentive to win drops drastically. He just can't settle before then.

    Corbett can settle with the ncaa if it's in PSU's favor. If Corbett gets the ncaa to reduce the sanctions, he will have a fighting chance of getting re-elected. If this is still dragging on two years from now with no resolution, I believe he has little chance of being a two term governor. Corbett must get this resolved in our favor for his own political future before the next election.

    MtNittMoonshine

  • MtNittMoonshine said...

    If Corbett gets the ncaa to reduce the sanctions, he will have a fighting chance of getting re-elected.

    I see reduced sanctions as a huge victory for him.

    strez

  • I have to wonder what the NCAA Presidents and Chancellors that sat on the NCAA Board that supposedly gave Emerett the authority to act are thinking as they were mentioned numerous times in the complaint. I may be remembering incorrectly, but wasn’t someone from Michigan State on the board or on the board now?

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  • strez said...

    I see reduced sanctions as a huge victory for him.

    Agree totally with what you say..BUT..Time wise I see no way possible a resolution will happen in a time that can benefit PSU. One year is gone..so if its two years from now, three years will be finished with regards to the bowl sanctions and scholarships.

    That being said, again Corbett is TRYING to save his political career. He knows he is fighting an uphill battle and losing. Does anyone really think he would be doing anything if he was guarenteed a second term?? This whole thing was a political disaster while he was running for governor, after his stint as AG. He keep a low profile and even helped push Paterno out. I still cant fathom trusting Corbett when he IN JULY was backing and supporting the NCAA. Go read his comments--he is nausiating!

    Like I said before, he is a little late to this party, when we needed him the most!

    mr intensity26349

  • MTayl72 said...

    They have not lost the emotional support for the sanctions. The general public and even the President of the United States supported, and still support these sanctions.

    Are you now speaking on behalf of the American public? Out here in AZ, I talk to a lot of people with no vested interest in Penn State about the program. In fact, I just met a guy that played at USC in 02 and 03. Overwhelmingly, people think the NCAA overstepped its bounds.

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  • strez said...

    IMHO, this will settle and never see a courtroom. Too much to lose for the NCAA. Too much potential to set future precedent that is adverse to the NCAA. Their initial rebuttal was very telling to me.

    Exactly. NCAA already won in the only place they have sway, the court of public opinion. When NCAA loses this case they will just say, we tried our best/our hands are tied. Ultimately NCAA wants Penn State revenue boosting their organization so I see little incentive for them not to settle and greatly reduce any sanctions that will affect future revenue. So scholarship and bowl ban lifted. Wins vacated remains. Corbett loses election but gets season tickets for life. Penn State still loses massive lawsuit to victims. Sandusky is shivved. All is right with the world.

    This post was edited by IronLion05 on 1/2/2013 at 3:39 PM

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  • psujmc1992 said...

    Are you now speaking on behalf of the American public? Out here in AZ, I talk to a lot of people with no vested interest in Penn State about the program. In fact, I just met a guy that played at USC in 02 and 03. Overwhelmingly, people think the NCAA overstepped its bounds.

    Nah, I remember seeing a couple polls about it around election time though (they poll everything these days). Remember, most of the general American public aren't sports fans and all they care(d) about was the child molestation.

    MTayl72

  • TylerB24...I hope you're right...I'm lovin' itclap

    jimmyp49

  • OT: the guy I met started out as a TE and his position coach was Lane Kiffin. He said Kiffin was a prick from day 1. (I know no-one's surprised) Carroll hired Lane as a favor to his dad since Carroll had spent a lot of time with Monte in Tampa learning his defense.

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  • MTayl72 said...

    Nah, I remember seeing a couple polls about it around election time though (they poll everything these days). Remember, most of the general American public aren't sports fans and all they care(d) about was the child molestation.

    Therefore I don't care about their uninformed opinion. The American public is stupid, and that comment has nothing to do with this situation.

    Itzsessil

  • Mr Intensity26349...don't cut off your nose to spite your face...as long as we go after that jerk Emmert, lets support the move. This is a positive thing. Lets get behind it. The more support the better the results.rockon

    jimmyp49

  • psujmc1992 said...

    OT: the guy I met started out as a TE and his position coach was Lane Kiffin. He said Kiffin was a prick from day 1. (I know no-one's surprised) Carroll hired Lane as a favor to his dad since Carroll had spent a lot of time with Monte in Tampa learning his defense.

    A lot of people do feel that way, tbh. I try not to go with a "this guy" approach, because things vary so much. I know plenty of people in collegiate athletic administration that said the NCAA went to far, however it shoul dbe ok in this case because of the content. That's stupid to me but whatever, that's people.

    Personally if I am handling this for the NCAA, I stall it out until after the election. If Corbett has no chance but to win before or lose the election, well that isn't a good spot. They could easily settle at any time even if they are in court. I stall, try to get dismissal and saddle up for the haul, if he doesn't get elected, give him something cheap to sign and say "your last chance to put your stamp on it and not the next Governor". He'll fold. If he doesn't, give the next person the same, and/or evaluate the case and where you stand and go from there. Corbett will want his name on it though, that's how Governor's and legisllators roll in Lame Duck. Makes it so much easier for a few weeks.

    Is that what I want to happen? Hell no. But it'd be a helluva play. And one the NCAA should consider.

    MTayl72

  • psubills62...whether he cares or not (outside of the doc that's being made) he's the only one doing anything
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    jimmyp49

  • Itzsessil said...

    Therefore I don't care about their uninformed opinion. The American public is stupid, and that comment has nothing to do with this situation.

    I know they are, look who we reelected.

    However, if you don't think political pressure will play a role in this (not should), well... It'll come from both sides. And it gives the NCAA that much more nerve. Hell they did it in the first place to grandstand, who says they won't stand up for their grandstanding now?

    I expect this to be settled though.

    MTayl72

  • Itzsessil said...

    Therefore I don't care about their uninformed opinion. The American public is stupid, and that comment has nothing to do with this situation.

    Like a third of people polled thought Paterno molested kids. The America public is grossly uninformed at best.

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  • good point strez

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  • MTayl72 said...

    I know they are, look who we reelected.

    However, if you don't think political pressure will play a role in this (not should), well... It'll come from both sides. And it gives the NCAA that much more nerve. Hell they did it in the first place to grandstand, who says they won't stand up for their grandstanding now?

    I expect this to be settled though.

    I could definitely see this going one year and then the NCAA settling to dropping the sanctions and allowing PA to have all of the funds for the $60 million endowment.

    getmyjive11

  • psujmc1992 said...

    Are you now speaking on behalf of the American public? Out here in AZ, I talk to a lot of people with no vested interest in Penn State about the program. In fact, I just met a guy that played at USC in 02 and 03. Overwhelmingly, people think the NCAA overstepped its bounds.

    I'm in the heart of SEC country and anybody that follows college ball understood how or why PSU let the NCAA do this to them. SEC schools would tell Emmert to go F--- himself and we'll see you in court.

    This post was edited by LaJollaLion on 1/2/2013 at 4:07 PM

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    LaJollaLion

  • MTayl72 said...

    The NCAA does have a lot to lose.

    The NCAA is full of lawyers and well supported to deal with long term court cases, they have been for the last three plus decades.

    They have not lost the emotional support for the sanctions. The general public and even the President of the United States supported, and still support these sanctions.

    yes...but those same people are the ones who know nothing of what's going on...the President, and I'm a fan of his, didn't take the time to get all the inforockon

    jimmyp49

  • strez said...

    IMHO, this will settle and never see a courtroom. Too much to lose for the NCAA. Too much potential to set future precedent that is adverse to the NCAA. Their initial rebuttal was very telling to me.

    It's their rebuttal that really got my hair up

    jimmyp49