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Statue removal...

  • Lang06 said...

    I acknowledge that the statue had to be moved because of it's perceived meaning to those outside of the PSU community.

    I don't quite understand how the statue for football accomplishments would be the "recurring wound to the multitude of individuals across the nation and beyond who have been the victims of child abuse" and the library would hold such a different meaning.

    Simply feels like the university is pinning this on the football program instead of the administration.

    It'd be nice if he mentioned where it was being moved to. If it's going inside the stadium or the all sports museum he might as well say it, but I guess we can't get over that transparency thing.

    I'll attempt to give my imput, eventhough it may not be the best way I could put it at the moment:

    The "recuring wound" part, would mean less on the legacy of Paterno, but more on the university as a whole, because, like it or not by most of the Nation, Paterno was seen as much more than just our football coach. To many, he WAS Penn State. I know it's hard for US to believe, but for many people who don't follow college football, Paterno's name is still, and may very well remain, synomous to the universiy as a whole. By taking this statue down from outside Beaver Stadium, it helps to give the football program, which will forever be tarnished in the eyes of the nation, a fresh start, and a new identity. It also helps to give the University a tad bit of closure from this horrible situation.

    Now, we as fans, alumni and current students all know what this mess was about, and although we my not ever know the extent of Joe's envolvement in the scandal, we will always associate Joe's name to the prominance of our football program. We can honor Joe forever in our minds and hearts, as many have lived this great adventure he took us on; for good and bad. And, we will always have(at least I assume), a place to pay our tributes to Joe(ie. hopefully the statute is move into the football museum).

    I really feel bad for the future students and fans of Penn State University. No longer are they going to be able to walk up to the statue on game days, and put their arm around the shoulder of coach, and get a picture. I will never be able to take my little ones up there, and get their picture taken by the once iconic playcaller. It hurts me more that the future generations are not going to be able to experience this tribute like I, and many of you were.

    I closing, could you imagine the problems this statue still being errected would have caused when opposing schools visited our great stadium? they would have to have armed security, and possible even a barrier errected around the statue to protect it from all the hate swirling around out there. IMO, that's no way to have to honor a legend.

    Again, just my 2 cents.

    This post was edited by PSUHomer on 7/22/2012 at 8:05 AM

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  • DC_Lion said...

    To me, this is a pretty reasonable statement, and finally it seems the admin is drawing a line in the sand and acknowledging the many good things done by JoePa. Hopefully this is a sign that they are not going to totally cave to the media, but take measured steps to show we care without cutting off our own ear.

    Agree completely. Statue goes, library name stays. Perfect compromise.

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  • tJYD said...

    The NCAA will have to levy some sort of punishment to discourage other members not to cover up criminal acts. You may hate that idea, but I would expect the same thing if my school was found of doing the exact same thing.

    You are wrong. NCAA will NOT do anything.

    TpaFan

  • The only reason the statue became such a "lightning rod" for controversy is because our "leaders" didn't do jack shit to control the situation when it all first came out back in November.
    Every single measure taken was out of panic, filled with disorganization and hastiness. And yes, I know why - because they'd rather have all the focus and firestorm brought towards Joe Paterno than have the light shine on their own failures and gross inactions in this tragedy. And in doing so, they are destroying the reputation of th University far more than if they would've taken control back in November.
    To be honest, I could give two flying dog shits about a piece of metal that Joe himself didn't even like. I care about how pathetic our administration has been every step of the way, which led to this and will lead to the next unreasonable, irrational demand fueled by public opinion. It's downright disgraceful.

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  • PSUHomer said...

    I'll ttempt to give my imput, eventhough it may not be the best way I could put it at the moment:

    The "recuring wound" part, would mean less on the legacy of Paterno, but more on the university as a whole, because, like it or not by most of the Nation, Paterno was seen as much more than just our football coach. To many, he WAS Penn State. I know it's hard for US to believe, but for many people who don't follow college football, Paterno's name is still, and may very well remain, synomous to the universiy as a whole. By taking this statue down from outside Beaver Stadium, it helps to give the football program, which will forever be tarnished in the eyes of the nation, a fresh start, and a new identity. It also helps to give th University a tad bit of closure from this horrible situation.

    Now, we as fans, alumni and current students all know what this mess was about, and although we my not ever know the extent of Joe's envolvement in the scandal, we will always associate Joe's name to the prominance of our football program. We can honor Joe forever in our minds and hearts, as many have lived this great adventure he took us on; for good and bad. And we will always have(at least I assume), a place to pay our tributes to Joe(ie. hopefully the statute is move into the football museum).

    I closing, could you imagine the problems this statue still being errected would have caused when opposing schools visited our great stadium? they would have to have armed security, and possible even a barrier errected around the statue to protect it from all the hate swirling around out there. IMO, that's no way to have to honor a ledgend.

    Again, just my 2 cents.

    If the statue stated, some nutjob would have tried to take it down himself, and sheer madness would have ensued, causing people to get hurt.

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  • PSUHomer said...

    I'll ttempt to give my imput, eventhough it may not be the best way I could put it at the moment:

    My thought is basically to call the bluff.

    Let someone do something to the statue, that would be on them. I think threats are threats ... someone wants to do something, call the bluff. Then lets have the national media celebrate a criminal act.

    We just bowed down, not saying it wasn't the correct move, to outside pressures. They will try to take away anything that we cling onto until we stand up. We are trying to move forward, but others want us to stay is this lull, if you will.

    If winning was easy even losers would do it.

    Lang06

  • tJYD said...

    If the statue stated, some nutjob would have tried to take it down himself, and sheer madness would have ensued, causing people to get hurt.

    I disagree ... I don't think that would happen.

    If winning was easy even losers would do it.

    Lang06

  • We need a leader NOW! Someone who will call a press conference and state the facts with respect to the NCAA and our intentions going forward. This uncertainty and poor leadership are killing me. There should be classes on crisis management and how not to act based on what this school has done since November...completely embarrassing.

    ...and if you're not down with that, then I got 2 words for ya.."suck it!!"

    paupacklion

  • Time to move on....

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  • http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-400_162-57477382/ncaa-source-unprecedented-penalties-against-penn-state/?tag=stack

    CBS News has learned that the NCAA will announce what a high-ranking association source called "unprecedented" penalties against both the Penn State University football team and the school.

    "I've never seen anything like it," the source told correspondent Armen Keteyian.

    NCAA President Mark Emmert will make the announcement Monday morning at 9 a.m. at the organization's headquarters in Indianapolis.

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  • Lang06 said...

    I disagree ... I don't think that would happen.

    Do you want to take back your statement?

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  • RollBamaRoll said...

    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-400_162-57477382/ncaa-source-unprecedented-penalties-against-penn-state/?tag=stack

    CBS News has learned that the NCAA will announce what a high-ranking association source called "unprecedented" penalties against both the Penn State University football team and the school.

    "I've never seen anything like it," the source told correspondent Armen Keteyian.

    NCAA President Mark Emmert will make the announcement Monday morning at 9 a.m. at the organization's headquarters in Indianapolis.

    Then should come a lawsuit from Penn State

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  • tJYD said...

    So did Michigan basketball. Those violations at Baylor were less then what happened at Michigan. The stiffer penalties came because of the murder and Dave Bliss telling people to lie/cover up.

    Noone is saying Penn State will get Death, but everyone outside of State College says some sort of penalty has to happen.

    To quote mgoblog, a pretty damned good sports blog....

    NCAA matters. The Paterno debate closes as another one re-opens: should the NCAA step in and hammer Penn State for the above? I'm on the "no" side. The NCAA has an enforcement mechanism to maintain its own set of rules for things that the legal system has nothing to say about. Here, the perpetrators are going to jail. That is an appropriate punishment and effective deterrent. The NCAA stepping in is redundant, and the hammer would fall on a completely unrelated set of people. The legal system has a laser-aimed bazooka; the NCAA would be deploying a wonky BB gun with a misaligned sight. Meanwhile, the Department of Education could look into Penn State essentially ignoring the Clery act and PSU is about to be flooded with civil lawsuits that insurance probably won't cover. Deterrence: check.

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  • psuproud said...

    Screw Erickson he is trying to save his job with that statement. Most of the alumni I have spoken with wanted the statue to stay. He knows he along with the rest of the BoT are on there way out.

    And, many, many times throughout history the masses haven't known what it is best. This is one of those times.

    That you state that you are no longer donating to PSU because they removed the statue of a coach who played a role in this whole mess says all that I need to know about your priorities. Sad.

    joshlax

  • if the rumor is right they have already decided that players can transfer and play THIS YEAR, same with 2012 recruits who have signed a LOI. That is a fair compromise for those kids.

    409... new meaning, years until PSU plays football again.

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  • joshlax said...

    And, many, many times throughout history the masses haven't known what it is best. This is one of those times.

    That you state that you are no longer donating to PSU because they removed the statue of a coach who played a role in this whole mess says all that I need to know about your priorities. Sad.

    How do you know what role he played?

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  • I read somewhere they where moving the statue to a museum? Seen the press conference coming Monday. Hope it don't crush the football program. I can't lie I quit using several sites last year due to penn state fans trolling OSU boards that lacked moderators. I cant bring myself to troll any boards unless its tsun. Best of luck though.

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  • DC_Lion said...

    To me, this is a pretty reasonable statement, and finally it seems the admin is drawing a line in the sand and acknowledging the many good things done by JoePa. Hopefully this is a sign that they are not going to totally cave to the media, but take measured steps to show we care without cutting off our own ear.

    I thought it was a pretty good statement too. There are going to be people out there that will now focus all their negative energy on the library name, but I think this is a fair way of handling the situation. I personally do not have a big issue with the statue coming down....I understand that for the University to move on the removal of the statue is probably a good thing. The question now is will they do something new in the space or just make it sidewalk?

    CharlestonLion

  • What the PSU Administration is doing reminds me of what happened in an epic movie, "The Ten Commandments", starring Charleston Heston. In a key part of the movie Moses renounces his position as Prince of Egypt to lead the Hebrews out of Egypt; at that time, Moses' greatest fan, the current Pharaoh, issues an edict that the name of Moses shall be stricken form every tablet, statue and plaque in all of Egypt, and that the name of Moses shall never be spoken again, under penalty of death! Well at the moment of his death, this very Pharaoh speaks his name in loving praise.

    When all the craziness ends, and all discover and understand what a great man they have purged, they will bemoan this day and what they have done to this man's family, fans and his memory. Poor fools!

    Domo

  • I have been conflicted about this entire thing for a long time. It is time to begin the healing process for PSU and the victims as a whole. Removal of the statue is fine with me, WWJW, the statue is not his legacy, graduation of players and making men from boys. His name on the Library meant more to him than a damn statue. His legacy is better retained on the Library, not the statue, which can be moved to a better location after NCAA penalties and things calm down. Good first step, now need new President, AD, 3-4 new BOT members, and better transparancy with AD.

    Tomorrow is going to suck.

    locopsu

  • It is true that the NCAA does not have jurisdiction in this matter.

    The institution that does have jusrisdiction over everything that happens or has happened at PSU is the Middle States Commission on Higher Education, the body that accredits Penn State. This fact is indisputable.

    The Middle States Association should strip Penn State of its accreditation. PSU has made an absolutle mockery of he Commission's standards regarding integrity, governance by the administration and trustees, school climate and safe environment.

    You won't have to worry about an NCAA death penalty...because you will no longer be a member of the NCAA. Death penalty for the football program? How about the death penalty for every sport at Penn State?

    In addition, Penn State would no longer receive federal funds. Students attending PSU on federally funded student loans would have to transfer.

    Forget the NCAA. They don't have jurisdiction. The Middle States Commission absolutely does.

    This post was edited by airharper on 7/22/2012 at 9:49 AM

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  • paupacklion said...

    Thanks for stopping by and putting salt in our wounds. We have been through enough because of one sick monster. Go play with your WWE figures and leave us alone.

    One Sick Monster = Very True. BUT, a LOT of other gutless people that made this what it is today, including from all accounts, Coach Paterno. Very very sad. I am sad for all the good and loyal PSU fans, coaches and former players. Its a dark day.

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  • Domo said...

    What the PSU Administration is doing reminds me of what happened in an epic movie, "The Ten Commandments", starring Charleston Heston. In a key part of the movie Moses renounces his position as Prince of Egypt to lead the Hebrews out of Egypt; at that time, Moses' greatest fan, the current Pharaoh, issues an edict that the name of Moses shall be stricken form every tablet, statue and plaque in all of Egypt, and that the name of Moses shall never be spoken again, under penalty of death! Well at the moment of his death, this very Pharaoh speaks his name in loving praise.

    When all the craziness ends, and all discover and understand what a great man they have purged, they will bemoan this day and what they have done to this man's family, fans and his memory. Poor fools!

    Or some day you will finally realize this man you think is so great turned a blind eye to child molestation allowing more innocent kids to get hurt. Great men don't wait to report this because they "didn't want to ruin anyones weekend".

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  • tJYD said...

    Do you want to take back your statement?

    That if they left the statue up that some nutjob would do something to it and cause sheer madness and people would get hurt?

    No, I'm not taking that statement back.

    If winning was easy even losers would do it.

    Lang06

  • sneakypete said...

    Or some day you will finally realize this man you think is so great turned a blind eye to child molestation allowing more innocent kids to get hurt. Great men don't wait to report this because they "didn't want to ruin anyones weekend".

    HE did it to be humane, not because he's lazy.

    Remember letting a child molestor to run wild is "humane"

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