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State of PA suing NCAA

  • MTayl72 said...

    Now that would truly be ground breaking and absolutely huge.

    Indeed.

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    psubills62

  • PSUJT0409 said...

    Pete Thamel ‏@SIPeteThamel Gov's office being vague on suit, but it's expected to combat all NCAA sanctions against PSU. Not just use of $60 million fine.

    Wow. I hope this is true. This is the kind of pressure that needs to be exerted. I don't think PSU can do much, but an outside body like the Governor's office could potentially change the game. Could at the very least get the NCAA to reduce the sanctions.

    new-era said... Psu doesnt have enough to beat the conferences better teams and wiscy is one of them.

    leftcoastlion

  • leftcoastlion said...

    Wow. I hope this is true. This is the kind of pressure that needs to be exerted. I don't think PSU can do much, but an outside body like the Governor's office could potentially change the game. Could at the very least get the NCAA to reduce the sanctions.

    I'd agree with that. Though I am still very up in the air whether I would want them to get involved with it beyond where the money goes. That said, the resources and influences a Governor's and Attorney General's Office(s) has is obviously immense and a huge asset.

    MTayl72

  • No matter how you look at the sanctions , they effect all taxpayers of the Commonwealth.

    LBU59

  • MTayl72 said...

    I'd agree with that. Though I am still very up in the air whether I would want them to get involved with it beyond where the money goes. That said, the resources and influences a Governor's and Attorney General's Office(s) has is obviously immense and a huge asset.

    It should be interesting. I'm assuming that PA will file the suit in a federal court in PA which I would hope would be more sympathetic to PSU's interests. Regardless though this is going to take awhile to work itself through the legal system if it comes to that. I'm really interested in seeing what the states legal argument is going be.

    PSUJT0409

  • PSUJT0409 said...

    Pete Thamel ‏@SIPeteThamel Gov's office being vague on suit, but it's expected to combat all NCAA sanctions against PSU. Not just use of $60 million fine.

    Oh please oh please...

    bonovoxpsu

  • PSUJT0409 said...

    It should be interesting. I'm assuming that PA will file the suit in a federal court in PA which I would hope would be more sympathetic to PSU's interests. Regardless though this is going to take awhile to work itself through the legal system if it comes to that. I'm really interested in seeing what the states legal argument is going be.

    Absolutely. Unfortunately we have Lame Duck Session starting tomorrow so I may not be able to read the brief. Next few months should be hell. Anyways, the interesting bit would be timing with this whole thing. How long will it take to get back through the system, what exactly are they challenging, etc. etc...

    MTayl72

  • PSUJT0409 said...

    Pete Thamel ‏@SIPeteThamel
    Gov's office being vague on suit, but it's expected to combat all NCAA sanctions against PSU. Not just use of $60 million fine.

    I think putting all the sanctions on the table is a negotiating tactic. Put it all out there and negotiate down to the money which is what the legislators really want.

    danmcc

  • MTayl72 said...

    Absolutely. Unfortunately we have Lame Duck Session starting tomorrow so I may not be able to read the brief. Next few months should be hell. Anyways, the interesting bit would be timing with this whole thing. How long will it take to get back through the system, what exactly are they challenging, etc. etc...

    Could the Commonwealth ask for an injunction against sanctions until it work through the system?

    This post was edited by LBU59 on 1/1/2013 at 4:32 PM

    LBU59

  • LBU59 said...

    Could the Commonwealth ask for an injunction against sanctions until it work through the system?

    I don't think that would ever be granted, imo. If they even legally can, I'd be lying if I said I knew for sure either way.

    MTayl72

  • PSUJT0409 said...

    Pete Thamel ‏@SIPeteThamel
    Gov's office being vague on suit, but it's expected to combat all NCAA sanctions against PSU. Not just use of $60 million fine.

    I guess its good there is a crow thread for me to post in if this is true.

    Curious to see how this goes, not expecting much.

    PSU17

  • MTayl72 said...

    I don't think that would ever be granted, imo. If they even legally can, I'd be lying if I said I knew for sure either way.

    Thanks, not sure but who knows when politics are involved.

    LBU59

  • LBU59 said...

    Could the Commonwealth ask for an injunction against sanctions until it work through the system?

    That begs the question do we want an injunction? If we get one and the sanctions get reduced or eliminated great. If we get an injunction then the negotiating gets down to the money not the scholarships then we are just extending the schollie pain.

    danmcc

  • danmcc said...

    That begs the question do we want an injunction? If we get one and the sanctions get reduced or eliminated great. If we get an injunction then the negotiating gets down to the money not the scholarships then we are just extending the schollie pain.

    Schollies don't happen for a whole another year, so not sure how that would work at all.

    It would be a nightmare to figure out whether to recruit for 65 or 85. Would be willing to bet the school self imposes the same sanctions regardless.

    PSU17

  • PSU17 said...

    Schollies don't happen for a whole another year, so not sure how that would work at all.

    It would be a nightmare to figure out whether to recruit for 65 or 85. Would be willing to bet the school self imposes the same sanctions regardless.

    In that situation I would recruit for 85 and then dare the NCAA to force me to take kids scholarships away. But that's just what I would do.

    PSUJT0409

  • PSUJT0409 said...

    Pete Thamel ‏@SIPeteThamel Gov's office being vague on suit, but it's expected to combat all NCAA sanctions against PSU. Not just use of $60 million fine.

    Thank god somebody has the fortitude to challenge Emmert. I've been on the "fight the sanctions" team from day one and utterly disappointed time and again to see Mr. Apologetic and the majority of the BoT curl into fetal positions in the corner. Some serious irony that the fight is coming from the governor's office of all places. He's a scumbag but this could still be a major positive relative to our current situation. This should be a textbook example of the sliminess of politicians - Corbett helps with the slaughter of PSU to protect his own hide and then when that backfires on him he does a complete 180 and files suit against the NCAA for slaughtering PSU.

    psumichael

  • PSUJT0409 said...

    In that situation I would recruit for 85 and then dare the NCAA to force me to take kids scholarships away. But that's just what I would do.

    Isn't that exactly what USC is doing?

    spud358

  • Is now the time for the Paterno family to also file suit? Had expected that they were waiting for the trials to be over, but would opening another legal front make the timing more appealing?

    PennStateFan33

  • Does anyone have a POV on whether PA has standing to challenge the non-financial sanctions? Did PA ever receive or was entitled to any part of PSU's bowl or TV revenues?

    Arguably all the sanctions have a financial impact on the state, but I'm wondering how PA makes a case against the bowl and scholarship sanctions.

    pab203psu

  • Oh, and while PA's at it, should they be suing the Big Ten too?

    pab203psu

  • pab203psu said...

    Does anyone have a POV on whether PA has standing to challenge the non-financial sanctions? Did PA ever receive or was entitled to any part of PSU's bowl or TV revenues?

    Arguably all the sanctions have a financial impact on the state, but I'm wondering how PA makes a case against the bowl and scholarship sanctions.

    Vaguely remember a mention of a PA Dept of Education inquiry concerning Erickson's authority to sign the decree. Anyone else remember that?

    PennStateFan33

  • pab203psu said...

    Does anyone have a POV on whether PA has standing to challenge the non-financial sanctions? Did PA ever receive or was entitled to any part of PSU's bowl or TV revenues?

    Arguably all the sanctions have a financial impact on the state, but I'm wondering how PA makes a case against the bowl and scholarship sanctions.

    Attendance this year was down, correct. I think it would be very easy to check on tax receipts in State College or even the county.

    LBU59

  • pab203psu said...

    Does anyone have a POV on whether PA has standing to challenge the non-financial sanctions? Did PA ever receive or was entitled to any part of PSU's bowl or TV revenues?

    Arguably all the sanctions have a financial impact on the state, but I'm wondering how PA makes a case against the bowl and scholarship sanctions.

    That's what I'm interested in seeing. Given that PSU is a public institution, they may argue that the NCAA doesn't have the ability to fine PSU. Also, the economic effect on PA along with the way the NCAA disregarded their normal procedures to impose the sanctions. They may also be able to argue that PSU was forced to agree to the sanctions or receive the death penalty which may not be legal. I think PA will have plenty of arguments. I'm interested to see if the courts say that the state has standing and if the consent decree voids any chance the state may have.

    This post was edited by PSUJT0409 on 1/1/2013 at 5:04 PM

    PSUJT0409

  • pab203psu said...

    Oh, and while PA's at it, should they be suing the Big Ten too?

    If PSU would get a bowl banned lifted then the would receive bowl $ from the B1G so it wouldn't matter.

    PSUJT0409

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