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  • If you can't add high end elite programs then don't expand!! Adding UMD or Mizzu just for the sake of expanding is a bad idea and would just water down the product. I know you want to expand to other TV markets but if it makes the product your selling worse then don't do it.

    blackshoes

  • blackshoes said...

    If you can't add high end elite programs then don't expand!! Adding UMD or Mizzu just for the sake of expanding is a bad idea and would just water down the product. I know you want to expand to other TV markets but if it makes the product your selling worse then don't do it.

    Which is why the B1G is not making a move unless the SEC goes to 16 (not 14) or ND for some odd reason decides to join.

    comm

  • pennstatel0 said...

    I don't know, maybe I'm too cynical, but I think the criteria for the next BTen school(s) are:
    1) TV market
    2) Academics
    3) Football quality
    4) Basketball quality

    And in that order.

    Thats why the Duke/UNC combo doesnt' make sense to me. Its the same TV market. You divide the pie 14 ways, but only add one additional revenue (TV) source, and its not a great market at that.

    I think the number one targets for the BTen would be U Maryland, Rutgers, and Missouri. ND can eff off and go join the MAC.

    I understand the arguments that U MD and Rutgers don't have the fan base to "bring" the DC and NY markets, respectively, but I think that the cable/DTV providers charge per subscriber in the area; it doesnt' matter whether the subscriber watches or not.

    Academically, UMD, Rutgers, and Missouri are all in the same "ballpark" as PSU. UMD is probably a bit better (I say that despite the fact that between me, my wife, and my son we have 5 PSU degrees).

    Football-wise, the 3 schools are about equivalent. All had a few good seasons in the past decade.
    Basketball-wise, U MD is probably the best.

    All told, I think U MD and Missouri would be good choices.

    You forgot brand name recognition.

    I suggest changing 1) to TV MARKET/ BRANDING. UNC and Duke are a national brand and people nationally tune in to watch them play b-ball.

    Erik Shrom

  • Adding UNC to the Big 10 is the same as adding Jay to the PSU staff. Not a good idea and a real head scratcher.

    Try to fathom the hypocrisy of a Government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured .but not prove they're a citizen

    sneakypete

  • The little secret is that delay wants unc, duke, and the U to force ND's hand as the 16th team....that would be an east coast super conference

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  • Then come on down, Texas, ND.

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    appoo

  • blackshoes said...

    If Jim Delany were smart his first call would be to Oklahoma to get them in the big 10 and make another run at ND. Rutgers, UVA, Syracuse??? Seriously if you want to keep up with the SEC you have to add heavy hitters regardless of geography and TV market size. ND and Oklahoma would add just as much as TAMU and FSU or whoever else the SEC gets. RIP Big 12...

    If/once the Big 12 does dissolve, I'd be shocked if OU went anywhere but the Pac-12.

    JMO, but Delaney should call the ACC schools before anybody else. ND obviously, then Maryland, Syracuse, Miami, UNC, Duke, Miami possibly. See if UVa or VT would be interested.

    JMO.

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  • Add VTech.. they bring good academics and competitive football squad.. plus they're somewhat in the big ten footprint.. ND would make 14 (although that's prob not going to happen any time soon)..

    BaltLions24

  • There are rumblings that the Big 12 thinks they can still survive as a 9 team league (we heard the same thing when they went to 10) & that if they go expansion they are looking at schools like TCU, BYU, Louisville, etc.). Personally I think Texas A&M to the SEC, UT goes independent, & OU, OSU go to the Pac 12 & the rest to the Big East. Texas Tech fans think the Pac want them, but I just don't see it.

    fanman1

  • Texas Lion said...

    If/once the Big 12 does dissolve, I'd be shocked if OU went anywhere but the Pac-12.

    JMO, but Delaney should call the ACC schools before anybody else. ND obviously, then Maryland, Syracuse, Miami, UNC, Duke, Miami possibly. See if UVa or VT would be interested.

    JMO.

    Texas is the bigger prize for the two conferences, because Texas brings a lot more academically.

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    appoo

  • My thoughts exactly ("come on down, Texas, ND"). Will it happen? Not likely. However, I have few doubts that UT + ND is the ultimate goal.

    Then add two more. Maybe GaTech and MD or UNC or any team that brings a new market. If the ultimate goal is accomplished, they can add Duke and Georgia State and it's still a win.

    Sounds like the Longhorn Network is off to a slow start. Let Texas keep their network, but they get nothing from the B1G Network?

    This post was edited by e19 on 8/11/2011 at 11:49 PM

    e19

  • appoo said...

    Texas is the bigger prize for the two conferences, because Texas brings a lot more academically.

    Agreed.

    Just don't see Texas going anywhere honestly.

    IMO, that network is going to anchor them from going anywhere else. Who would deal with that BS? Especially from a new kid on the block?

    Everybody wants Texas, nobody wants the Longhorn Network.

    Honestly I hope the network and Texas goes independent, a program that delusional doesn't deserve a conference.

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  • The bottom line for the Big Ten is that neither Texas or ND wants to play in our conference. ND has made that clear time after time. I think Texas will got to the Pac12 if the Big 12 breaks up.

    If VT bolts from the ACC, you wonder if the Big Ten can pick off some of those schools. I think they would be the most realistic, attractive options.

    JudgeSmailsPSU

  • Well, ESPN is running rumors that say Texas A&M, Florida St., Clemson and Missouri to the SEC. Missouri is surprising. Missouri AD is denying it. I would've thought Oklahoma would've jumped to the SEC but I guess they don't want to leave OK St. behind. This probably means that Pitt and WVU will be in the ACC, next. Look for the PAC 10 to go after Oklahoma, Texas and Ok St.

    lion95

  • lion95 said...

    Well, ESPN is running rumors that say Texas A&M, Florida St., Clemson and Missouri to the SEC. Missouri is surprising. Missouri AD is denying it. I would've thought Oklahoma would've jumped to the SEC but I guess they don't want to leave OK St. behind. This probably means that Pitt and WVU will be in the ACC, next. Look for the PAC 10 to go after Oklahoma, Texas and Ok St.

    We need to go after Oklahoma... I think we could get to 16 no problem...

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  • Gregg Doyel from CBS tweeted that Oklahoma, and Okie State approached the B10 with two other B12 schools and were turned away for academic reasons. My guess at the other two schools: Kansas and K-State.

    MTayl72

  • MTayl72 said...

    Gregg Doyel from CBS tweeted that Oklahoma, and Okie State approached the B10 with two other B12 schools and were turned away for academic reasons. My guess at the other two schools: Kansas and K-State.

    DAMNIT lol Is Oklahoma not up to par? I thought they were OK... Maybe K-State was the problem?

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  • PretTy sure we would take ok and ok state nit k state tho

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  • Interesting take by the bleacherreport.com crew... They argue that Missou, Kansas and Iowa State are the most attractive from the Big 12... Academics and media markets seem to be a big draw for us according to these writers... I can see Delaney going after UNC though... new market, good academics, elite BBall, and up and coming football... I like to see what it would do for our recruiting in the state (selfishness lol)

    This post was edited by rmj147 on 8/13/2011 at 6:35 PM

    Big Ten and SEC Should Collude to Eradicate the Big 12‏ | Bleacher Report

    There is blood in the water. The sharks should smell this from a mile away and come in for the kill. The SEC, Big Ten and Pac-12 are the three power players in college football. The second tier contains the likes of the Big 12, ACC and the Big East...

    bleacherreport.com
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  • PretTy sure we would take ok and ok state

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  • And an interesting take by a blogger... I have to agree with him that aTm's move does signal the hypocrisy in the NCAA right now... Education or big business? I think it's big business...

    This post was edited by rmj147 on 8/13/2011 at 6:33 PM

    Texas A&M's move to SEC evidence of NCAA's lost mission | Jeff Schultz

    Possible move of Texas A&M to leave the Big 12 for the SEC is another sign that the mission of college sports has been lost.

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  • ejb5212 said...

    PretTy sure we would take ok and ok state

    Actually they seem to be a problem for two reasons:

    1. Overlapping and small tv market.
    2. Neither are part of the AAU

    MTayl72

  • MTayl72 said...

    Actually they seem to be a problem for two reasons:

    1. Overlapping and small tv market. 2. Neither are part of the AAU

    Yep, thats what I've read too... TV market really hurts them... Most people think they are SEC bound... Maybe Pac12...

    This post was edited by rmj147 on 8/13/2011 at 8:26 PM

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  • rmj147 said...

    Yep, thats what I've read too... TV market really hurts them... Most people think they are SEC bound... Maybe Pac12...

    It's either stick with Texas or PAC for the Oklahoma schools.

    comm

  • Some folks might find it interesting to brush up on the CIC . . . . the B1G universities plus Univ. of Chiacgo . . .
    Over $7 billion of funded research last year. . . .and share resources between the school to save them millions in operating costs.

    Since joining the CIC, Penn State has seen its funded research basically tripled in the last 20 years since joining the Big Ten / CIC.

    If a school cant add to the CIC (Oklahoma) without being a drag, I doubt they'll never get an invitation.
    One huge reason why UNC-Duke would get an invite before Oklahoma & OkSt.

    This post was edited by WebSiteMob on 8/13/2011 at 10:07 PM

    Research

    http://www.cic.net/Home/Research.aspx

    www.cic.net

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