The Lions' Pride

Let it go. Move on. Turn the page.

Stop this crap. Paterno's story has been written. It's not changing anytime soon, if ever.

You would know best.

Theres enough circumstantial evidence to show what Paterno did and didn't do and that he lies at least twice and possibly 3 times. Innocent men don't lie. Theres enough for any logical person with 3 brain cells to put 1 and 1 together. He turned a blind eye and assisted in sweeping it under the rug.

Did you really just say that people don't get convicted of circumstantial evidence? Really?

I have my own thoughts on what happened, but your not going to change public opinion. That is their right, whether or not you agree is different. The only way this MAY change is if Curley or Shultz come out and say Joe had no idea what was going on and they kept him in the dark. Even then your not going to change peoples opinions.

Circumstantial evidence doesn't get someone convicted, the prosecutor sells it well enough to get a conviction. Real, hard evidence sells itself is my point. In this case, we're not even talking about a trial. Remember, the PA AG didn't find any to even make a charge. There just isn't any here.

Circumstantial evidence does get people convicted all the time. Real hard evidence does sell itself. Having real hard evidence to convict a person isn't the easiest thing to come by. I am not at all commenting on this case specifically, but in general, circumstantial evidence and inferences are often used for convictions.

If Joe were alive and had been charged criminally, that would have been up to the judge or jury to decide, not you, not sneaky and not public opinion. There may or may not have been enough.

While it is some what nice to see that not everyone bought into the narrative, I think that trying to defend anything about the school or Joe at this point is an exercise in futility. Facts and rational arguments get countered by "OBVIOUSLY YOU DON'T CARE ABOUT ABUSED CHILDREN!". It's the ultimate strawman argument that no one is going to get called out for using.

People are going to constantly call us complicit just for being Penn State fans or Alumni, and there's going to be complete and total moral outrage every time it looks like someone in a blue or white shirt in central PA might be enjoying themselves at or near a football game for the short term.

It feels like we're all going to be persona non grata in the sports world for the forseeable future. Guilty by association, as ridiculous as that is.

The more we fight that assertion, the more the media and uppity morons on the internet get to point and laugh as they say "LOOK AT THOSE DELUDED PENN STATERS THAT CARE MORE ABOUT FOOTBALL THAN KIDS THAT GOT RAPED!".

O'Brien has it right. No amount of fighting what's in the Freeh report or the national narrative is going to make anything better at this point. Just get on board with the players that stay and hope for the best in the future.

Right, and if Curly says anything that makes Joe look bad at trial you will say he is just saving his own ass. I don't think Joe orchestrated a cover up, but it's clear he participated in it even without interviewing the others.It's clear he lies more then once. We can see this without interviewing Curly, Schultz or Spabout and again if they say anything that makes Joe look bad you will dismiss it and say they are saving their own asses. Red has already testified so we know what he has to say. C

Well, let's be honest here.. It makes a truckload of sense for anyone involved to shovel as much of this mess as will fit into Paterno's coffin. He's not going to defend himself. Jay and Scott will defend their father, but nobody likes them anyway (right?). Its who the media really wants to blame (moreso than literally everyone else involved) because it makes the best story.

All of this at the expense of the reputation of one dead guy, who never really cared about his reputation anyway.

It's a really sad truth of the situation, but it's the easiest way possible for those that are left on the hook (and still alive) to deflect all of the blame and anger that should be directed at them into a 6ft hole and throw dirt on it.

It's pathetic, but this whole situation has been dominated by that kind of coward, from Sandusky on down the line.

Joe didn't care about is reputation? Next you'll say he didn't care about the records. Do you honestly believe Joe is innocent in all this?