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Texas Lion said...
True.
Thompson was another guy I was thinking of who picked Florida, but we seem to be OK regardless. I'm surprised at the amount of top end guys who come out of NE every year, regardless of how shallow the talent pool is outside of them. Its a nice little secret.
I feel like I have to make a disclaimer whenever I post about PSU that I am actually a fan, and this is my favorite school. I wouldn't be so damn hard on the program if I didn't want greatness or the highest level of success here.
No, it's fine. There has long been a mentality in Texas and the south in general that the NE couldn't produce football talent. It is why we only won one NC in Paterno's 5 undefeated seasons... and why Nixon declared Texas national champs even before we played our bowl game back in the day. While it is not at the level of the south, there are a ton of blue chip kids when you look specifically at PSU's normal recruiting grounds. I know it may seem that we are being harsh on you, but that's not what the intention is. Like it or not, you definitely have the southern mentality ingrained in you when it comes to NE football and we are just trying to show you the facts.
This post was edited by getmyjive11 on 3/1/2013 at 2:51 PM
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Exactly! While the program was running at 50% capacity, we won two B1G titles, and as fortheglory said, were in contention for another before the $hit hit the fan.
I mean, look at that. If a program can win B1G titles, and usually win their bowl games, while running on cruise control at 50% capacity -- Who wouldn't want that job?
We saw what happened when USC was running at 50% capacity in the 90s. We saw what happened to Alabama when running at half capacity in the 90's - early 2000's
Penn State had a reputation of stale offenses and bend-but-don't-break defenses in the past decade, but decent to great kids still wanted to come play for Penn State. And you can say, "well that's because they wanted to play for the legend Joe Paterno," but if you look at how things were going in OB's first recruiting cylce, it got EVEN BETTER.
I mean, if Penn State was that easy of a sell for recruits when hardly anyone was trying. And it was even that much easier of a sell with a FIRST YEAR head coach (before any games were played), what does that tell you?
Look at Oklahoma in the 90's before Bob Stoops finally came in there.
If you rewind the clock to before the sanctions (as this article basically claims it was trying to do), out side of UT (Texas), I think Penn State would be in the debate for 2nd place with everyone (especially if the writer thinks FLORIDA is the #2 job. I think that's an absolute joke -- maybe a type-o?).
There's a big difference in having a legend like Joe in charge and just doing nothing while giving his very competent staff pretty much complete control of the program, than having a coach like Blake come in and torpedo the program. I'd rather have a guy like Joe at the helm doing nothing than a guy like Blake come in and screw up everything he tries to do. He was awful, and not deserving of a CFB HC job, at any division or any level.
I think we have potential, and there is an argument to be made for us being closer to the top of the list (look at the past few pages of people yelling at me
). I don't think so though. I don't think our location helps us out too much, even though we are close to a lot of states without a dominant program, and we win those states by default because we're the only power in their area.
Florida is a great job, actually. Phenomenal recruiting grounds, good looking girls, great weather, and the SEC brand. We all saw what happens when they get a competent HC in there, with Urban first and now Willy.
@Cordale10 Why should we have to go to class if we came here to play FOOTBALL, we ain't come to play SCHOOL, classes are POINTLESS
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getmyjive11 said...
No, it's fine. There has long been a mentality in Texas and the south in general that the NE couldn't produce football talent. It is why we only won one NC in Paterno's 5 undefeated seasons... and while Nixon declared Texas national champs even before we played our bowl game back in the day. While it is not at the level of the south, there are a ton of blue chip kids when you look specifically at PSU's normal recruiting grounds. I know it may seem that we are being harsh on you, but that's not what the intention is. Like it or not, you definitely have the southern mentality ingrained in you when it comes to NE football and we are just trying to show you the facts.
Fair enough.
I definitely wouldn't mind us getting into Texas a bit though
. @Cordale10 Why should we have to go to class if we came here to play FOOTBALL, we ain't come to play SCHOOL, classes are POINTLESS
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BoulderFish said...
I'm with you there. But keep in mind, knowing/remembering and pointing out the good doesn't necessarily mean you're satisfied and/or not being objective. In fact, pointing out the good is PART of being objective.
Well, we are on our way back IMO.
Even with sanctions, this program is far healthier than it has been since the 90s IMO. Things are looking on the up and up.
I do my best to keep myself from being too much of a homer though, just to stay on the safe side.
@Cordale10 Why should we have to go to class if we came here to play FOOTBALL, we ain't come to play SCHOOL, classes are POINTLESS
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Texas Lion said...
There's a big difference in having a legend like Joe in charge and just doing nothing while giving his very competent staff pretty much complete control of the program, than having a coach like Blake come in and torpedo the program. I'd rather have a guy like Joe at the helm doing nothing than a guy like Blake come in and screw up everything he tries to do. He was awful, and not deserving of a CFB HC job, at any division or any level.
I think we have potential, and there is an argument to be made for us being closer to the top of the list (look at the past few pages of people yelling at me
). I don't think so though. I don't think our location helps us out too much, even though we are close to a lot of states without a dominant program, and we win those states by default because we're the only power in their area.
Florida is a great job, actually. Phenomenal recruiting grounds, good looking girls, great weather, and the SEC brand. We all saw what happens when they get a competent HC in there, with Urban first and now Willy.
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getmyjive11 said...
Frankly, unless we have a coach with strong ties in the area, it probably would be a waste of time. Too many hands in the cookie jar right now.
This post was edited by Texas Lion on 3/1/2013 at 3:15 PM
@Cordale10 Why should we have to go to class if we came here to play FOOTBALL, we ain't come to play SCHOOL, classes are POINTLESS
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Texas Lion said...
I have only been a PSU fan for two and a half years, but I'd like to think that I've studied up quite a bit on my PSU history.
PSU is not the program Oklahoma is historically. We're just not. We have 2 natties, with an argument for a third ('94), while OU has 7. We have 39 consensus All-Americans while OU has 75. We have 1 consensus conference title while OU has 44, which isn't entirely our fault because we were independent for so long, but since PSU has joined the Big Ten, we have 1, while OU has 7 since 1996. They are closer to a GREAT recruiting ground in Texas, while we are close to Ohio (a good but not great recruiting state) but don't get many solid players from there. We are forced to have to try to lockdown the Northeast as a whole, and cherry pick what we can from VA. Big difference in recruiting there.
I think #8 for PSU is much too high for us. We are a great program and a great place to coach, but to have us as the #8 job in the country is a bit much. We're top 15, but not top 10 IMO. Our location hurts us more than anything else. PA football isn't great, and State College isn't a huge attraction for most kids.
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Texas Lion said...
You'd be right. Maybe once Mack gets fired we can hire him as a recruiting coordinator?
It's tough to pull kids from the South anywhere north. Much more difficult than pulling a Yankee south.
I'd rather us focus on trying to monopolize the NE again rather than get the scraps leftover from TX and FL.
Plus, less competition for my Sooners to have to deal with. Those damn Cajuns have given them enough problems recently, and with the aggies deciding they'll start living up to their potential things don't seem to be getting any easier in the foreseeable future. It'd be a great time to win a mNC, that's for sure.
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Mac is too old for this now. What I meant was that we need a young guy who can get out name out there and take "lumps" for a could of years until we have a footing in the area. Right now, it's just not going to happen.
@Cordale10 Why should we have to go to class if we came here to play FOOTBALL, we ain't come to play SCHOOL, classes are POINTLESS
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