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Question to you PSU fans......(New HC)

  • I have been following your board here for the past week or so and have taken an interest in the program as I have loved what PSU has stood for over the years. A mistake happened, but you can tell from the people here and from others, that there are tons and tons of good people in the PSU family.

    As someone that is an SEC guy (Alabama), I would really be careful with Urban Meyer. I know what his statement said, but those are just statements, not truths. I don't think his system fits your strengths. I have watched Florida's defense become less and less physical by the year and I feel that has tremendously to do with the style of offense a team competes against in the Spring and Summer. Alabama, UGA, LSU, and Auburn all out physicaled Florida this year and many teams did it last year as well. If you look at the recruiting Meyer had over the last 3 or 4 years along the defensive line, there is no excuse for this. The athletes that he assembled along the defensive front should be head and shoulders ahead of anyone in college football and that includes Bama and LSU.

    My pick for your program would be Al Golden. He is a PSU guy. He coached at Temple and still has connections in PA, New Jersey, and other PSU recruiting areas. His one year at Miami has probably opened the door in some Florida schools as well. This guy was served a horrible blow when he got to Miami and I can't see anyone blaming him for wanting to get out of that situation. After watching him, I love the type of teams he puts together and the way he carries himself on the field. He is the definition of an intense, but classy individual that would fit in perfectly in State College.

    Is there any momentum for him up there? I have heard the back and forth for Meyer between the PSU and tOSU fanbases, but I feel whoever ends up with Meyer loses in the long run.

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  • BetterOff said...

    I have been following your board here for the past week or so and have taken an interest in the program as I have loved what PSU has stood for over the years. A mistake happened, but you can tell from the people here and from others, that there are tons and tons of good people in the PSU family.

    As someone that is an SEC guy (Alabama), I would really be careful with Urban Meyer. I know what his statement said, but those are just statements, not truths. I don't think his system fits your strengths. I have watched Florida's defense become less and less physical by the year and I feel that has tremendously to do with the style of offense a team competes against in the Spring and Summer. Alabama, UGA, LSU, and Auburn all out physicaled Florida this year and many teams did it last year as well. If you look at the recruiting Meyer had over the last 3 or 4 years along the defensive line, there is no excuse for this. The athletes that he assembled along the defensive front should be head and shoulders ahead of anyone in college football and that includes Bama and LSU.

    My pick for your program would be Al Golden. He is a PSU guy. He coached at Temple and still has connections in PA, New Jersey, and other PSU recruiting areas. His one year at Miami has probably opened the door in some Florida schools as well. This guy was served a horrible blow when he got to Miami and I can't see anyone blaming him for wanting to get out of that situation. After watching him, I love the type of teams he puts together and the way he carries himself on the field. He is the definition of an intense, but classy individual that would fit in perfectly in State College.

    Is there any momentum for him up there? I have heard the back and forth for Meyer between the PSU and tOSU fanbases, but I feel whoever ends up with Meyer loses in the long run.

    You gotta be careful about comparing 1 year with a new coach. Schemes change. You can have the same personnell but the scheme changed. Maybe the kids recruited were for a certain technique that Muschamp doesn't use, maybe he uses a different technique along the DL.

    Example, maybe the kids were recruited to play a 1 technique DT spot. Muschamp may not use that particular technique and maybe uses a 3 tech. Doesn't sound like a big deal but it is, you would recruit vastly different kids for each of them techniques.

    I also cannot see PSU going after anyone at this point with Paterno ties. I think this first hire post Paterno needs to be completely alien to Joe Paterno.

    This post was edited by white_out on 11/11/2011 at 7:55 AM

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  • BetterOff said...

    I have been following your board here for the past week or so and have taken an interest in the program as I have loved what PSU has stood for over the years. A mistake happened, but you can tell from the people here and from others, that there are tons and tons of good people in the PSU family.

    As someone that is an SEC guy (Alabama), I would really be careful with Urban Meyer. I know what his statement said, but those are just statements, not truths. I don't think his system fits your strengths. I have watched Florida's defense become less and less physical by the year and I feel that has tremendously to do with the style of offense a team competes against in the Spring and Summer. Alabama, UGA, LSU, and Auburn all out physicaled Florida this year and many teams did it last year as well. If you look at the recruiting Meyer had over the last 3 or 4 years along the defensive line, there is no excuse for this. The athletes that he assembled along the defensive front should be head and shoulders ahead of anyone in college football and that includes Bama and LSU.

    My pick for your program would be Al Golden. He is a PSU guy. He coached at Temple and still has connections in PA, New Jersey, and other PSU recruiting areas. His one year at Miami has probably opened the door in some Florida schools as well. This guy was served a horrible blow when he got to Miami and I can't see anyone blaming him for wanting to get out of that situation. After watching him, I love the type of teams he puts together and the way he carries himself on the field. He is the definition of an intense, but classy individual that would fit in perfectly in State College.

    Is there any momentum for him up there? I have heard the back and forth for Meyer between the PSU and tOSU fanbases, but I feel whoever ends up with Meyer loses in the long run.

    Golden is definitely getting some mentions up here. While most people wanted to go outside of the program for the next HC, I think many are now wanting to bring in a "Penn State" person to try to regain some stability.

    CharlestonLion

  • BetterOff said...

    I have been following your board here for the past week or so and have taken an interest in the program as I have loved what PSU has stood for over the years. A mistake happened, but you can tell from the people here and from others, that there are tons and tons of good people in the PSU family.

    As someone that is an SEC guy (Alabama), I would really be careful with Urban Meyer. I know what his statement said, but those are just statements, not truths. I don't think his system fits your strengths. I have watched Florida's defense become less and less physical by the year and I feel that has tremendously to do with the style of offense a team competes against in the Spring and Summer. Alabama, UGA, LSU, and Auburn all out physicaled Florida this year and many teams did it last year as well. If you look at the recruiting Meyer had over the last 3 or 4 years along the defensive line, there is no excuse for this. The athletes that he assembled along the defensive front should be head and shoulders ahead of anyone in college football and that includes Bama and LSU.

    My pick for your program would be Al Golden. He is a PSU guy. He coached at Temple and still has connections in PA, New Jersey, and other PSU recruiting areas. His one year at Miami has probably opened the door in some Florida schools as well. This guy was served a horrible blow when he got to Miami and I can't see anyone blaming him for wanting to get out of that situation. After watching him, I love the type of teams he puts together and the way he carries himself on the field. He is the definition of an intense, but classy individual that would fit in perfectly in State College.

    Is there any momentum for him up there? I have heard the back and forth for Meyer between the PSU and tOSU fanbases, but I feel whoever ends up with Meyer loses in the long run.

    I think the sentiment might be that we are starting to want a head coach with a connection to Penn State. Recently we have been very hurt, and need someone to come in, and understand how we are feeling. I have warmed to the idea of Golden, and the passion he would bring. But at the same time, can also understand the argument that we need to go out of house to handle this mess we are in.

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  • I do not think Golden will bring us to the next level. We need a big name to come in here, secure the recruiting class and the verbals we already have, and erase everything we have been going through the last week. We have to make a splash with this hire,sooner rather than later. I hope we are already persuing this big time right now. I like Bradley but he is not the answer. We need a "tough guy." Gruden and Cowher are at the top of my list, unless you want to give up Saban, BetterOff!!! LOL!!! We have to reach for the stars with this hire. Money should not and will not be an object. Joe was under-compensated for years, and I heard yesterday that football in Happy Valley is a $75 million a year gig.

    This post was edited by paupacklion on 11/11/2011 at 8:14 AM

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  • Advice to PSU brass - read John Bacon's book on Rich Rod's tenure at Michigan. The chapters about the search (and support pre & post) are very relevant. The tradition and culture you have could create some similiar issues. This book will really highlight how not to do it at least. (no, I don't get a commission for book sales : )

    samich23

  • We need a guy who is strong enough to stand on his own feet. We need a guy who understands the troubles that PSU is going through, and has the belief to lead the program through.

    This hire is absolutely critical for the success of PSU football and the ability of PSU to support other athletic programs.

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  • white_out said...

    We need a guy who is strong enough to stand on his own feet. We need a guy who understands the troubles that PSU is going through, and has the belief to lead the program through.

    This hire is absolutely critical for the success of PSU football and the ability of PSU to support other athletic programs.

    We also need some of the big time ex-football players to step up, now, like Ham, Arrington, Millen, Blackledge, Conlan and Harris. It amazes me how all of these big time players always sat in the background because of Joe. They all knew Joe was in control and you didn't have to worry about leadership at PSU. Now is when we need these guys to help us to get through this awful situation.

    This post was edited by lion95 on 11/11/2011 at 8:29 AM

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  • lion95 said...

    We also need some of the big time ex-football players to step up, now, like the Ham, Arrington, Millen, Blackledge, Conlan and Harris. It amazes me how all of these big time players always sat in the background because of Joe. They all knew Joe was in control and you didn't have to worry about leadership at PSU. Now is when we need these guys to help us to get through this awful situation.

    From what I have heard, it's going to be a who's who of ex players at the game on Saturday (save Blackledge who's announcing elsewhere).

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    white_out

  • Sorry, but the last thing on my mind right now is who will be the HC. I'm so disgusted by all this. The leadership at PSU is a catastrophe. How could these horrific acts go unnoticed since 98. My mind is still spinning from all this.

    PSU_USMC

  • PSU_USMC said...

    Sorry, but the last thing on my mind right now is who will be the HC. I'm so disgusted by all this. The leadership at PSU is a catastrophe. How could these horrific acts go unnoticed since 98. My mind is still spinning from all this.

    i agree with you, but the HC of the largest money generator on campus is also part of the leadership.

    It's no longer about the best man. It's now about getting the RIGHT one.

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  • PSU_USMC said...

    Sorry, but the last thing on my mind right now is who will be the HC. I'm so disgusted by all this. The leadership at PSU is a catastrophe. How could these horrific acts go unnoticed since 98. My mind is still spinning from all this.

    We probably won't have those answers for about three years and even then, we probably won't know the whole truth.

    At this point, I'm ready to start picking up the wreckage and moving on.

    lion95 ●

  • what are your thoughts on 2010 Big East Coach of the Year Randy Edsall?

    RDurr

  • RDurr said...

    what are your thoughts on 2010 Big East Coach of the Year Randy Edsall?

    I think he's doing bang up job over there at Maryland.nono

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  • white_out said...

    You gotta be careful about comparing 1 year with a new coach. Schemes change. You can have the same personnell but the scheme changed. Maybe the kids recruited were for a certain technique that Muschamp doesn't use, maybe he uses a different technique along the DL.

    Example, maybe the kids were recruited to play a 1 technique DT spot. Muschamp may not use that particular technique and maybe uses a 3 tech. Doesn't sound like a big deal but it is, you would recruit vastly different kids for each of them techniques.

    I also cannot see PSU going after anyone at this point with Paterno ties. I think this first hire post Paterno needs to be completely alien to Joe Paterno.

    I understand the scheme change, but the lack of physical play was an issue before these last 2 years at Florida. Tebow saved them from a lot of problems even in the MNC years. I just don't think Meyer is the guy for PSU.

    There is definitely a choice that has to be made between a PSU guy or going outside the program, but I would also say that Golden should be at the top of any list for any program at the moment.

    I understand what you are saying about the technique and the type of DT's needed is different. I'll come back with this. Do you think Stills would have a problem with either? He is the type of athlete that would shine in a 3 or a 1 technique and Florida has 3 guys that are at that level or should be.

    As far as hiring someone that is alien to JoePa. Finding someone that doesn't embrace the history and culture that was established could lead to a similar result that Michigan is facing right now. The same can be said for Notre Dame and could have been said for Alabama for a long time. Just because you might want to go outside the program, doesn't mean you need to find someone that doesn't fit the mold that PSU is accustomed to. At this point, I think you need to find someone new, but also someone that will put his heart and soul into Penn St.

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  • paupacklion said...

    I do not think Golden will bring us to the next level. We need a big name to come in here, secure the recruiting class and the verbals we already have, and erase everything we have been going through the last week. We have to make a splash with this hire,sooner rather than later. I hope we are already persuing this big time right now. I like Bradley but he is not the answer. We need a "tough guy." Gruden and Cowher are at the top of my list, unless you want to give up Saban, BetterOff!!! LOL!!! We have to reach for the stars with this hire. Money should not and will not be an object. Joe was under-compensated for years, and I heard yesterday that football in Happy Valley is a $75 million a year gig.

    Personally, I think Golden would be a splash. Not a Saban or Cowher type splash, but still a solid name in today's game. I also think he is that "tough guy" type that you are interested in. Of course Cowher would be great, but I haven't heard enough to think that he is interested in the college game. Personally, not a fan of Gruden. Hands off Saban.....SERIOULSY!!

    I agree that JoePa was undercompensated, but he also never wanted more. A program like Penn St needs to go out and not be afraid to throw down $4 million + a year for a head coach. Then, be willing to pony up $750,000 + for an OC and DC as well. The money is there and the excitement for the right name could bring in even more money honestly. Alabama made the mistake of thinking that the name alone should make coaches want to come here and didn't want to pay top dollar to get the guys that we should have. Bobby Bowden should have been at Bama. He wanted the job, but was 2nd choice to Perkins. Then when it came open again, he wanted more promised to him and money as well that they just felt they didn't have to pay.

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  • Animal said...

    I think he's doing bang up job over there at Maryland.nono

    i think penn state would be a better cultural fit.

    RDurr

  • PSU_USMC said...

    Sorry, but the last thing on my mind right now is who will be the HC. I'm so disgusted by all this. The leadership at PSU is a catastrophe. How could these horrific acts go unnoticed since 98. My mind is still spinning from all this.

    Uhh....you think it will end up as "starting in '98"?? That's probably the best it could end up....unfortunately, knowing the pathology and psychology of these deviates.....he didn't just wake up one day in '98 and decide to go take a shower with a 10-yr old. (Christ!!! Can you believe it actually made me CRINGE just typing that line??? How can people like this actually breath air???)

    NavyNJ

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