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Also, not going to be a huge class next year unless a few transfers hit post-spring practice.

There's going to be quite a few RS JR's who graduate not asked to come back would be my guess, as well as some transfers.

Especially on the OL and WR.

Most of those guys would have no quality destination to transfer to. I think many will play through 2012 and be asked not to return. At the least, I could see Figs, Arc, Howle, BMF, Kuntz, and Mike Wallace moving on after next season.

I'm pretty sure when all is said and done that the class will be alot bigger than you think it will. Some of these kids will get the message immediately that they might not have a spot at PSU to play and will move on.

Can't wait to see many on here try to explain how a bunch of guys being asked not to come back is much different from what Urban does. Should be funny.

If they're not being asked to return for a 5th yr, there's nothing shady about it. 5th yr is an earned privilege and the kid has already been granted 4 yrs to earn his degree. I don't think they're going to 'cut' guys after the spring. There's no reason to do so. We're not over the limit. Most of these 'dead weight' guys will play out the season, hopefully get their degree for free, and move on.

I don't think it's shady at all, but asking 5 or so guys not to return for a 5th year is something people would have flipped about if Urban did it and a PSU coach didn't.

Urban had 9 transfers...all were either RS FR or SO's. The 3 guys who still could transfer are a FR, SO, and JR. Big difference between that and having guys not return for a 5th yr.

Exactly what I was thinking. What happened to sticking with the kids so that they get an education even though they may not cut it on the field? Are we really so intent on completely abandoning the principles that everyone has been touting for years? The principles that have gained our university and football program their excellent reputations (pre-scandal)? If we throw that by the wayside and then we still lose - then what do we have? The least we can do is to maintain that dedication to our STUDENT-athletes so that we continue to be about success with honor and building future leaders rather than becoming a football factory.

"So that they get an education"? You mean, 4 years isn't enough to get a degree from Penn State? We're talking about 5th year seniors. If they haven't gotten their degree yet AND haven't contributed on the field...then what the flip are they doing in college?

I will give you that. Telling 5th year guys, that have earned their degrees, that their time is up - I find to be acceptable. However pulling scholarships from younger guys that aren't cutting it on the field but are succeeding in the class room I find to be unacceptable. Hopefully we don't come to that

We could have definitely used Beachum next season..we are thin at RB.