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  • Well, I'm usually a positive guy (except for the first hour or two after games like that), so there might be more positives than there deserve to be.

    Positives
    1. Bolden. Kid was composed, made a number of good throws.
    2. Third down conversions. I'm not sure the stats were that great, but we showed significant ability to convert third and longs, especially with Bolden at QB. Of course, in my mind I also count that 3rd and 8 screen play where #54 (honestly, not sure which OL that is) was called for holding.
    3. Redd. Not great numbers, but was probably the brightest spot on this offense. Didn't have much room, but made some of his own. I'm a big fan of his and I think he'll do very, very well this season.
    4. Run defense (before the 4th quarter). Richardson averaged around 4 YPC through 3 quarters, but only had 3 YPC outside of one good run. Much improved compared to last year.

    Negatives
    1. Coaching. The last hour has been spent in acceptance of this game and resigning myself, so I'm not going to harp on them quite as much as the in-game thread. People know what I thought about the 2 QB system before this game and vindication is a bitter taste in this case. There are too many things in this game to name. They had their good moments, but overall they get a HUGE F from me.
    2. Wide receivers. These guys did pretty much nothing. Look at the first catch by Maze - the one Sukay nearly batted down. That is what a WR is supposed to do, catch it even when you think he won't. These guys can't catch even when you think they will. Moye's hands are an issue and have been an issue for 2 years. Brown has obviously continued the drops (although a couple of those passes weren't his fault).
    3. Devon Smith. In my mind, he is not a wide receiver so he gets his own point here. This kid is a quick midget playing football. He can't catch. He should not be the focal point of a game plan like he was today. He is not even close to being talented enough to force it to. I'll be honest - my fandom will increase if he never sees the field again. I know it's harsh, but we have a number of other weapons that deserve time more than he does.
    4. Pass defense. They passed, and we let them. No pass rush at all outside of Crawford coming free on one play and whiffing completely on McCarron. Soft zone, their receivers just sat in the zones and caught balls. They took what we gave them, which unfortunately was 5 yard passes with YAC. Richardson was apparently impossible to cover out of the backfield, because we never even tried to do it. It felt like in the second half, those were the only passes McCarron even attempted, were short crossing routes or dump-offs to Richardson.

    I'll be honest, I don't watch the OL in general. I saw on one play early on they handled the pass rush pretty well. They didn't get a lot of push in the run game, though, failed to open many holes. There were plenty of times a blitz got through, but I'm not entirely sure they were the fault of the OL, as Bama sent a ton of guys at times and then covered the short routes better than we could execute them. Our WR's didn't seem to be physical at all.

    Very disappointing game. I was going to put McGloin as a negative, but in all honesty, I blame the coaches more than I blame him. He never should have been in to begin with. Too many momentum killers in this game. The turnover margin says a lot for this game and the one last year.

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  • Positives: Front 7 on D
    Negatives: Offense

    PSU12

  • Pretty much agree with this. Good post.

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  • psubills62 said...

    Devon Smith. In my mind, he is not a wide receiver so he gets his own point here. This kid is a quick midget playing football. He can't catch. He should not be the focal point of a game plan like he was today. He is not even close to being talented enough to force it to. I'll be honest - my fandom will increase if he never sees the field again. I know it's harsh, but we have a number of other weapons that deserve time more than he does.

    This. I've grown to dislike him less and less, once he dropped the perfect pass from Bolden (from anybody who is over 5 foot 5) I decided I was done with wanting him on the field (even for returns) then he fumbled and i almost left the stadium.... good to see we did that trick play once we were done "competing"

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  • I think Rob made some real strides today. That interception was pretty awful, but he seemed more in control of the offense and the huddle than he has before.
    I love our linebackers. Had some missed coverage assignments but the difference from last year seemed clear today.
    Still is gonna be a force.
    Press coverage...one time?
    CATCH THE GOD DAMN BALL!

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  • Positives:

    Rob Bolden - welcome to the lead role kid. Let's see how you handle being "the guy"
    Silas Redd - For my money the best RB on the field...scary what he could do being Bama's OL
    Devon Still/Jordan Hill - You guys earned a good night rest.
    LB's - I thought you guys played pretty well.

    negatives:

    Coaching; 3rd and 2 and you're 8 yards off the ball? 2 QB's when you clearly have a guy who's moving the team, you take him out and put in the other guy who almost throws INT"S on his first 2 passes? Wasting all 3 first half timeouts in the first 5 minutes?
    Devon Smith: Moo-Moo, you're fast, but you can't catch, you are too tentative on KR, and you bring nothing to the offense. It's partly the coaches faults because they insist on getting you involved, and you shouldn't be.
    Derek Moye: Dude. Until you start making the easy catches that hit you in the hands, you are not an NFL WR. Lift some weights, get stronger.
    S&C: Is it me or did Bama make us look like a bunch of boys out there? We were noticeably smaller across the board...don't wanna get started on a HIT debate, but we're about the only team in the country who uses it now.
    Coaching x 2: Tom Bradley. You are not an elite DC. You are running this scheme. You are allowing the other team to possess the ball. Great. But by doing so, you aren't rotating your DL..who was EXHAUSTED by end of first half. If you're goign to run this scheme, you need to rotate at least 8 DL guys in the game. I don't know if Still or Hill left the field.

    Joe: It's time to go man. If I'm urban meyer, and I watched this game...I can only imagine what I could do with Rob Bolden and Silas Redd for 2 years. Add in the OL recruits, and there's a pretty good foundation. PSU has no idea how to use the talents, and we sure as hell can't develop a gameplan, or develop kids before they are seniors.

    I'm sure there's more...Bama isn't 16 points better than PSU. Penn STate literally gave 21 points to Alabama. McCarron is going to be good. he threw 4 50/50 balls in the first half, and Bama won all 4 of them 50/50 balls. We got almost no breaks, but guess what...when you play not to lose (that's what we did when we punted down 17 on a 4th and 6, to gain 19 yards)....you don't deserve breaks.

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  • We still have NO pass rush either.
    Our DB scheme is a joke, a high school kid could complete the underneath stuff we give away.
    Our coaching/playcalling/game prep is atrocious. Also on a high school level. Are we ever going to try to WIN the big one instead of just playing to keep it close, not to get blown out and hope and pray something good might go our way, instead of making it happen? They are so unimaginative.
    Devon Smith is not of this calibre.
    Rob can run, not slide, but he can run and doesn't seem scared to. Can we use this now, to our advantage please??
    I would hope too, that he has now assumed the leadership of this team. He put it all on the line tonight, wasn't flawless by any means, but was the maybe the hardest trying player on our team, took hit after hit, got back up and took 'em again. Had very little help from his WR's or coaches who seemed to try their hardest to disrupt his rhythm.
    I hope McGloin has fun tweeting about being a good back-up, thats what he deserves after his week of media tid bits and his play today. All 0 yards of it.
    We have lots of work to do, most of it in the coaching department.

    springbok

  • All I can think to say about Smith is he must be very good in practice, work extra hard, work his A$$ off in fact.. I am not saying this to be derogatory. I respect they way he must go about his business during the week and the off season. From the moment he got on campus they coaches have gone above and beyond to get him involved. His first game as a true freshman, he was back to field kick offs... but its overtly obvious that he is not an offensive weapon, not a return weapon, not a down field blocker, doesnt have sure or steady hands... just nothing. And there isnt a player on the roster than has been given more opportunities. Its a shame really, because if he could convert, he'd be a real weapon because they cant stop going to him over and over again...

    ST, as for having Moo back as on the double safety with Brown on punts, they were pretty much just fair catching all day anyway, I think Brown attempted one return... why not stack the line with 11 guys, try and force a block, or even a shank.. worst case scenario, the AU punter gets it off, and the role gets them 15 more yds... what could it hurt once it got to the point where it was obvious the O was struggling to move the ball... Joe talked about the D not creating turnovers, which is true... but he didn't attempt to create them on ST either, which could have swung momentum... if we had a shifty dynamic return man it be one thing... but to have a double safety and fair catching about 10 times is absurd.

    I didnt think the DE play was terrible... for as much as they were on the field, I was surprised they didnt rotate a bit more to stay fresh... Daquan didn't see many minutes, and that's a shame, he looks good when out there. Though they didnt get "broken: til late in the 4th on D, the rotation up front could have kept them a bit more fresh and maybe help create a turnover, but for as much as those guys played, they held up pretty well, its obvious the conditioning is pretty good on the group up front.. Obviously, Still and Hill showed up to play and will reek havoc in conference... Jack had two knock downs, and so did Lattimore... they got a little pressure, not great play.. but not invisible either, and going up against Fluker is no easy assignment for either of them. No real complaint there... no real complaint about the D at all... Stupar created energy when he was in, Hull made a nice play when he got a chance... Fortt looked a bit lost in the middle, and I really doubt its his natural position, would rather see him rotate more with Hodges than Carson at this point... Hodges was all over, but also missed on a few plays and still doesnt seem overly comfortable with his assignments. Mauti was a beast, and Powell played pretty physical for a change...

    The O line, particularly after having to re-shuffle early played well particularly pass blocking... (relatively speaking). We knew it was going to be tough to run going in, and it was... but they created a few holes and Silas is not afraid stick his nose in there against anyone. I give Pannell credit, I didnt think he had it in him to play Tackle, but he seemed to hold his own (admittedly its hard to watch the OL play in game, so I will be anxious for gemrich's analysis on the OL)

    The WR were extremely disappointing... Kersey made a nice catch late... he's got to be given more of an opportunity, they've given plenty of looks to MooMoo and JB... I like JB, but as someone touched on earlier, WR is more than just making a few easy catches, once in a while you gotta make a "big" catch, or catch one you are't suppose to, or bail your QB out on a late throw... JB just has not done that yet... If the first pass of the game had gone to Kersey instead of Moo, you gotta wonder how it would have effected the game early? Would we have won, probably not... but sure would have given it a different feel.

    Back to ST... small things like punt coverage... I realize some of those punts didnt get favorable bounces, or bounced pretty hard and quick into the end zone...but again, if a punt hits turf at the 10 yd line, I dont care how quick of a bounce it takes, someone should get a hand on it, at least twice they could have downed it inside the 10 and let it scoot into the end zone. Neither were easy plays, but plays that could have been made... and the one Maze fielded at the 4, they need to make him pay for that poor decision, instead it turns into a 50 yd gain. In 2009, there was so much moaning and complaining (rightfully so) on poor ST play, particularly coverage units... then in 2010 it looked like they re-focused on it a bit, and it was much better... this is looking bad again.. I have to rewatch to see the exact personnel on the coverage teams, but whether its the scheme or the players... it needs attention and it needs to be a strong point of the team.. the D is obviously going to be good, we cant let the ST units give up the field position that the D will put us in...

    The QB's...its so obvious... I will just say I was sick when McGloin came out in the 2nd and knew that was it for the offense, it'd be amajor struggle the rest of the way, and it certainly was... I dont know why, but i was shocked they make that decision at that time after what Rob had done in the 1st... it literally felt like a kick in the stomach, and exactly what it proved to be... for all that is said about Joe and the staff.. the one thing that really surprises me is at this point in his career, its almost like he doesnt want to hurt McGloins feelings, and I just dont understand why the loyalty... with DC in 08, they played the 2 QB thing against CC, but by the 2nd quarter of Oregon St, it was clearly DC;s team, and that decision showed leadership from the coaching staff and set that team up for a magical season.. they had that opportunity again today, and this time, pissed it away... for all the guys that Joe has pulled, and benched and done whatever to for the good of the team over his 50 years... to completely change his philosphy at this point and continue with charade is unreal to me. Not too mention, for the bone crunching hits Rob takes, its pretty obvious the other guy is gonna get to play.. hope to god he doesn't get hurt seriosully, or a concussion, but man oh man, he takes hits, stands tall in the pocket, runs with it... the next man up is gonna need to be ready to go at some point and I hope he is... but until that time comes out of necessity... please, for the love of all that's holy, just stop its enough already... it really is.

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  • ACtheStud said...

    The QB's...its so obvious... I will just say I was sick when McGloin came out in the 2nd and knew that was it for the offense, it'd be amajor struggle the rest of the way, and it certainly was... I dont know why, but i was shocked they make that decision at that time after what Rob had done in the 1st... it literally felt like a kick in the stomach, and exactly what it proved to be... for all that is said about Joe and the staff.. the one thing that really surprises me is at this point in his career, its almost like he doesnt want to hurt McGloins feelings, and I just dont understand why the loyalty... with DC in 08, they played the 2 QB thing against CC, but by the 2nd quarter of Oregon St, it was clearly DC;s team, and that decision showed leadership from the coaching staff and set that team up for a magical season.. they had that opportunity again today, and this time, pissed it away... for all the guys that Joe has pulled, and benched and done whatever to for the good of the team over his 50 years... to completely change his philosphy at this point and continue with charade is unreal to me. Not too mention, for the bone crunching hits Rob takes, its pretty obvious the other guy is gonna get to play.. hope to god he doesn't get hurt seriosully, or a concussion, but man oh man, he takes hits, stands tall in the pocket, runs with it... the next man up is gonna need to be ready to go at some point and I hope he is... but until that time comes out of necessity... please, for the love of all that's holy, just stop its enough already... it really is.

    Well put. It's at times, almost like they wouldn't care if Rob got hurt, because then they could play their CLEAR favorite in that other kid. Rob gave it all he could and all he had today. I would totally play FOR that guy!! Especially after 11's brazen press releases and loud mouth this past week, Rob's play had to earn him the respect of the locker room and coaches you would hope. I don't care to see him, 11, play again on any level.

    This post was edited by springbok on 9/10/2011 at 8:17 PM

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  • Positives:
    1) I didn't kill myself - this game nearly drove me to need psychiatric care.
    2) This game was so unbelievably terrible for McGloin, Smith, and the coaching staff that I hope significant changes in philosohpy (and staffing) are made. If I did my job that poorly, I'd not just be fired, I'd be in prison.

    Negatives:
    1) Any kid who was at the game that thought it would be amazing to play for Paterno would have to be insane to commit now. What a mess.

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  • I always find it funny how after a loss everyone wants to say the sky is falling. Was today good? Not by a long shot but just as last years score did not show how badly we got beat I don't think today’s score shows how much PSU has improved. I know we all hoped that PSU would pull out a miracle but did anyone really think we were going to win? I would not have bet my house on it, that’s for sure. Bama was a better team.

    The biggest differences I saw was their best players made good plays more often than ours when they needed it - i.e. Maze with his catch over the middle vs any number of drops on tough catches made by MooMoo, Moye, JB ..... and that they were just so much bigger across the board, when you are bigger and just as strong/fast/skilled, you are more often than not going to do well in football. Their backers were monsters - and both their RB's made Beachum (supposed to be our power back) look small. That along with a huge only will wear a front 7 down if the o can't give them a break.

    While everyone is quick to complain about ST and the lack of a return game, our coverage units were much better than last less the one return where they lost contain and a few touchbacks they could have saved.

    Defence played well until they ran out of gas and I think maybe got disheartened by what the saw on offence. Missed a few things here and there but played hard against a good running game and a qb who played a smart game in a hostile environment. Athletic and around the ball most of the game and while there was no sacks, they certainly were better than last year, at least in the first half - I think they wore down and as others have said, a bigger rotation is required if they are to stay fresh.

    Offence....well, it is really hard to say much here because the rotating qbs stopped any chance of either guy developing anything from series to series. The Oline was a lot better than I expected, there were some missed assignments but they did well against a very good front 7 that did not get any sustained pressure unless they brought extra guys. Redd has the tools to be the real deal but would have been helped by some completions to keep the d honest. Never been a fan of MooMoo, to small, falls to easily and no hands. I know they want his speed, particularly with Drake not ready to go but someone that could catch a ball would be a better call imo. Doesn't matter how fast he is if it is 2nd and ten.

    I hope that Bolden gets the call going forward, he had issues (three time outs in the first drive...really....) and personally I am not a fan of his release on anything short as he tries to power it and releases downward resulting in throws behind or at the knees under 10 yards, however he has real ability and upside. I also think he is better right now. He needs the reps and experience and more reps in practice can only help the receivers. The receivers can say all they like about catching it whoever is back there and they are right, but when they are two such different qbs with different velocity, timing etc. having the same guy there all game and most of the practices helps build chemistry and will result in more catches. 11 is what he is and is not getting any better. More reps will only help his decision making as well. The last drive showed more of what I expect he can deliver (and yes, I realize that Bama's d got pretty vanilla on that drive.)

    As far as the rest of the season goes, the Big 10 is clearly not as strong this year, today’s games across the board have been pretty sad. I am much more hopeful about the season. I don't think any team will be as good as Bama the rest of the way out and while I would love to compete for a NC, the first Big 10 championship game would be a nice consolation. Again, I wouldn't bet the house on it but at the start of the season I would have said 8-4, now 9-3, maybe 10-2.

    Today sucked, losing always does, but stay positive, its week 2!!!

    (sorry, longer than i thought...)

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  • Wow, you all have taken the time to write up some good reviews of today's game. I agree with almost all of it. It's amazing that message boarders - some of whom have played and coached the game - can make so much more sense than the 70 yr old men coaching our team and scheming for our opponents. I'm so done with expecting anything but mediocrity from PSU football and I feel terrible for these kids.

    beck881psu

  • Positives...

    Bolden's best game. He stepped it up even though his numbers didn't show it. He still has issues throwing to a spot and not finding the WR, but hopefully he gets better there.
    Devon Still...by far the best DL on the field for either side.
    Redd....ran hard and is the real deal.
    OL....held it's own in spite of grade school offensive coaching.
    Defense...great job IMO in terms of tackling and effort. A questionable call and an offensive turnover really put this game away for Bama.
    Nick Sukay...went for the pick and almost had it, but he is pretty damn physical back there and played great IMO.
    LB's...as advertised.
    DE's...as bad as I trashed you last year, you were disruptive throughout. Great job here IMO. The score doesn't reflect how well the defense played IMO.

    Negatives...

    WR's are soft, scared, and got beat up on the line by Bama's DB's at the LOS. It was almost as if the Bama DB's were playing grade school WR's.
    Offensive staff...just retire...all of you. You have no plan of attack, vision, or idea of what you want to do. 3 TO's on the first drive, no really...3 TO's on the first drive. How do you think that is justified...that is a joke.
    Offensive staff....just retire...all of you.
    Lynn....staff screwed you as you are 2-3 steps slower than Bama's WR's. You are a safety, but most really saw that already.
    Offensive staff....just retire...all of you.

    Most saw this coming and for some crazy reason I am encouraged by this loss. Not a team on the schedule left with that type of talent...not one..including OSU, Wisky, and Neb. Defense is legit and Rob looked like he wanted to compete today more than any other time last year. I really just want a REAL OC with Joe out of the picture. PSU has ZERO identity on offense. They aren't a power team, pro style, spread....they don't have a clue as to what their strength is or how to use one if they did. These kids hands are tied right now and I can't wait for a SINGLE OC with a VISION of what he wants to do. Until PSU gets a new HC..it is what it is. Congrats to the Tide and and to the PSU players as I think the effort was there outside of a few spots.

    "One man didn't build this program and one man sure as hell cannot tear it down."

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  • LaJollaLion said...

    Positives...

    Bolden's best game. He stepped it up even though his numbers didn't show it. He still has issues throwing to a spot and not finding the WR, but hopefully he gets better there.
    Devon Still...by far the best DL on the field for either side.
    Redd....ran hard and is the real deal.
    OL....held it's own in spite of grade school offensive coaching.
    Defense...great job IMO in terms of tackling and effort. A questionable call and an offensive turnover really put this game away for Bama.
    Nick Sukay...went for the pick and almost had it, but he is pretty damn physical back there and played great IMO.
    LB's...as advertised.
    DE's...as bad as I trashed you last year, you were disruptive throughout. Great job here IMO. The score doesn't reflect how well the defense played IMO.

    Negatives...

    WR's are soft, scared, and got beat up on the line by Bama's DB's at the LOS. It was almost as if the Bama DB's were playing grade school WR's.
    Offensive staff...just retire...all of you. You have no plan of attack, vision, or idea of what you want to do. 3 TO's on the first drive, no really...3 TO's on the first drive. How do you think that is justified...that is a joke.
    Offensive staff....just retire...all of you.
    Lynn....staff screwed you as you are 2-3 steps slower than Bama's WR's. You are a safety, but most really saw that already.
    Offensive staff....just retire...all of you.

    Most saw this coming and for some crazy reason I am encouraged by this loss. Not a team on the schedule left with that type of talent...not one..including OSU, Wisky, and Neb. Defense is legit and Rob looked like he wanted to compete today more than any other time last year. I really just want a REAL OC with Joe out of the picture. PSU has ZERO identity on offense. They aren't a power team, pro style, spread....they don't have a clue as to what their strength is or how to use one if they did. These kids hands are tied right now and I can't wait for a SINGLE OC with a VISION of what he wants to do. Until PSU gets a new HC..it is what it is. Congrats to the Tide and and to the PSU players as I think the effort was there outside of a few spots.

    Very good post LaJolla. Basically agree with all of your thoughts.

    I think this loss is encouraging ONLY if lessons are learned and adjustments are made. Bama is a better team but is not significantly better than us. A more imaginative and reactive staff would have kept us in the game today.

    We may compete for the Big 10 title, but this MUST be joes last hurrah.

    NavyNittany

  • I'd like to add something...as much as I've ragged on the coaches, they FINALLY rolled Bolden out after some play fakes. I thought that the majority of those plays ended up looking pretty good. Bolden did well rolling out and those play calls did a good job of moving him away from the pressure.

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  • LaJollaLion said...

    Positives...

    Bolden's best game. He stepped it up even though his numbers didn't show it. He still has issues throwing to a spot and not finding the WR, but hopefully he gets better there. Devon Still...by far the best DL on the field for either side. Redd....ran hard and is the real deal. OL....held it's own in spite of grade school offensive coaching. Defense...great job IMO in terms of tackling and effort. A questionable call and an offensive turnover really put this game away for Bama. Nick Sukay...went for the pick and almost had it, but he is pretty damn physical back there and played great IMO. LB's...as advertised. DE's...as bad as I trashed you last year, you were disruptive throughout. Great job here IMO. The score doesn't reflect how well the defense played IMO.

    Negatives...

    WR's are soft, scared, and got beat up on the line by Bama's DB's at the LOS. It was almost as if the Bama DB's were playing grade school WR's. Offensive staff...just retire...all of you. You have no plan of attack, vision, or idea of what you want to do. 3 TO's on the first drive, no really...3 TO's on the first drive. How do you think that is justified...that is a joke. Offensive staff....just retire...all of you. Lynn....staff screwed you as you are 2-3 steps slower than Bama's WR's. You are a safety, but most really saw that already. Offensive staff....just retire...all of you.

    Most saw this coming and for some crazy reason I am encouraged by this loss. Not a team on the schedule left with that type of talent...not one..including OSU, Wisky, and Neb. Defense is legit and Rob looked like he wanted to compete today more than any other time last year. I really just want a REAL OC with Joe out of the picture. PSU has ZERO identity on offense. They aren't a power team, pro style, spread....they don't have a clue as to what their strength is or how to use one if they did. These kids hands are tied right now and I can't wait for a SINGLE OC with a VISION of what he wants to do. Until PSU gets a new HC..it is what it is. Congrats to the Tide and and to the PSU players as I think the effort was there outside of a few spots.

    spot on LaJolla. I really feel for the kids, as they clearly are fighting the inept offensive coaching that is in place at PSU. Sad.

    PSUsuperfan

  • It took them a year to figure out that he's capable of rolling out of the pocket. Maybe he'll see more than 20 snaps next week. I HATE being so completely negative, but I don't know how else to react to years of this garbage.

    beck881psu

  • bmorepsu said...

    It took them a year to figure out that he's capable of rolling out of the pocket. Maybe he'll see more than 20 snaps next week. I HATE being so completely negative, but I don't know how else to react to years of this garbage.

    Hey, Joe's still having fun and isn't that all that matters.

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  • It's frustrating not having beaten a ranked team in 5 years. And I suppose it falls on the coaches. People remember how competitive we were in the 80's winning 2 MNCs. But the same people forget that the scholarship rules have changed drastically. Back in the day we could give 100+ scholarships and a s a big-time program we could off schollies to recruits to prevent them from signing with our competition. Every top school did this. In the past 25 years, the change in scholarship limits has created parody in the sport. We can't load up on stud athletes.

    Yes its frustrating that we can't seem to beat a ranked opponent these days, but we still don't cheat or lie like tOSU. As for today's game #11 has no business under center at ANY D-1 school let alone PSU. I saw #1 grow up today and I am optimistic that this team will get better. I think even better than 8-4 at the end of the regular season. I was dismayed by the 3 TOs in the first drive, which I blame on the side lines. You'd think with 5 centuries of cumulative coaching experience that we could do better.

    Be patient, I think we're getting better even with this loss.

    Cheers!

    Kirk

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    It's frustrating not having beaten a ranked team in 5 years. And I suppose it falls on the coaches. People remember how competitive we were in the 80's winning 2 MNCs. But the same people forget that the scholarship rules have changed drastically. Back in the day we could give 100+ scholarships and a s a big-time program we could off schollies to recruits to prevent them from signing with our competition. Every top school did this. In the past 25 years, the change in scholarship limits has created parody in the sport. We can't load up on stud athletes.

    Yes its frustrating that we can't seem to beat a ranked opponent these days, but we still don't cheat or lie like tOSU. As for today's game #11 has no business under center at ANY D-1 school let alone PSU. I saw #1 grow up today and I am optimistic that this team will get better. I think even better than 8-4 at the end of the regular season. I was dismayed by the 3 TOs in the first drive, which I blame on the side lines. You'd think with 5 centuries of cumulative coaching experience that we could do better.

    Be patient, I think we're getting better even with this loss.

    Cheers!

    Kirk

    Correction we have beaten ranked teams recently.

    we haven't beaten a top 5 team since 1999, and that team went 6-6.

    PSU"s record vs ranked teams since 1990 is absolutely atrocious. If you told Paterno this in the late 70's he'd have said, I'll be done if that ever happens. We are the epitome of mediocrity. We can't compete against the big boys, and it falls on the coaches because they don't develop the players like our opponents do, and we don't recruit anywhere near the talent.

    did you see the size of Bama? They made our team look like midget football players. Success begins in the weight room. Once our program catches up with what we should be doing in the weight room, only then will we get back to where we were. We just flat out aren't strong enough. Our lineman can't drive anyone...why? Because their legs are like twigs. We have no power in our blocking. We are upper body strong, but strength comes from your trunk, and we don't do anything with the trunk.

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  • bmorepsu said...

    It took them a year to figure out that he's capable of rolling out of the pocket. Maybe he'll see more than 20 snaps next week. I HATE being so completely negative, but I don't know how else to react to years of this garbage.

    I know how I am going to react to the garbage. If Joe Paterno is allowed to continue "coaching" Penn State beyond this season, the Nittany Lion Club and PSU will not see another dime of my money until he is gone. In the end, all of the problems with this program are his responsibility to correct. Not only does he not think that there are any major problems to begin with, but even if he did, he wouldn't have the time, physical capacity, energy, or interest to make the necessary changes. Penn State football has become a farce. And while it is a tremendous shame that it might negatively impact some deserving student-athletes, the only way to show the athletic department by dissatisfaction is by withholding my financial gifts. After watching the cluster-f that was the first series where our disorganization forced us to waste all of our timeouts (not to mention the sheer ridiculousness of the QB carousel), there can be no defense of Joe's coaching staff any longer. Joe must go, and the sooner, the better. The football program needs a clean break from the old and a completely fresh start with an entirely new staff. It is time for someone to start looking out for the long-term health of the program because it is clear at this point that Joe certainly doesn't care about it.

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  • psufankc63 said...

    It's frustrating not having beaten a ranked team in 5 years. And I suppose it falls on the coaches. People remember how competitive we were in the 80's winning 2 MNCs. But the same people forget that the scholarship rules have changed drastically. Back in the day we could give 100+ scholarships and a s a big-time program we could off schollies to recruits to prevent them from signing with our competition. Every top school did this. In the past 25 years, the change in scholarship limits has created parody in the sport. We can't load up on stud athletes.

    Yes its frustrating that we can't seem to beat a ranked opponent these days, but we still don't cheat or lie like tOSU. As for today's game #11 has no business under center at ANY D-1 school let alone PSU. I saw #1 grow up today and I am optimistic that this team will get better. I think even better than 8-4 at the end of the regular season. I was dismayed by the 3 TOs in the first drive, which I blame on the side lines. You'd think with 5 centuries of cumulative coaching experience that we could do better.

    Be patient, I think we're getting better even with this loss.

    Cheers!

    Kirk

    We definitely should get better with this loss, but not if Joe gives the same BS answer on Tuesday and says that both QBs work hard and are capable of getting the "most" out of this offense blah blah blah. "Most" is a superlative. It makes no sense to use that word in that context. Some day we will have a coach capable of not embarrassing us on a national stage year in and year out.

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  • PSUFlyers said...

    I know how I am going to react to the garbage. If Joe Paterno is allowed to continue "coaching" Penn State beyond this season, the Nittany Lion Club and PSU will not see another dime of my money until he is gone. In the end, all of the problems with this program are his responsibility to correct. Not only does he not think that there are any major problems to begin with, but even if he did, he wouldn't have the time, physical capacity, energy, or interest to make the necessary changes. Penn State football has become a farce. And while it is a tremendous shame that it might negatively impact some deserving student-athletes, the only way to show the athletic department by dissatisfaction is by withholding my financial gifts. After watching the cluster-f that was the first series where our disorganization forced us to waste all of our timeouts (not to mention the sheer ridiculousness of the QB carousel), there can be no defense of Joe's coaching staff any longer. Joe must go, and the sooner, the better. The football program needs a clean break from the old and a completely fresh start with an entirely new staff. It is time for someone to start looking out for the long-term health of the program because it is clear at this point that Joe certainly doesn't care about it.

    Beautifully put. I teach in the city and don't make enough money to contribute to the school/program. What needs to happen is more people like you - that contribute - taking the same stance.

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  • PSUFlyers said...

    I know how I am going to react to the garbage. If Joe Paterno is allowed to continue "coaching" Penn State beyond this season, the Nittany Lion Club and PSU will not see another dime of my money until he is gone. In the end, all of the problems with this program are his responsibility to correct. Not only does he not think that there are any major problems to begin with, but even if he did, he wouldn't have the time, physical capacity, energy, or interest to make the necessary changes. Penn State football has become a farce. And while it is a tremendous shame that it might negatively impact some deserving student-athletes, the only way to show the athletic department by dissatisfaction is by withholding my financial gifts. After watching the cluster-f that was the first series where our disorganization forced us to waste all of our timeouts (not to mention the sheer ridiculousness of the QB carousel), there can be no defense of Joe's coaching staff any longer. Joe must go, and the sooner, the better. The football program needs a clean break from the old and a completely fresh start with an entirely new staff. It is time for someone to start looking out for the long-term health of the program because it is clear at this point that Joe certainly doesn't care about it.

    I get the frustration and I also think that a new coaching staff would bring better results on the field however I am not sure we will be happier with what happens off the field. JoePa is not only iconic but he runs a program where PSU is not and has not faced investigation by the NCAA. His players generally graduate and become quality people. He has made PSU football what it is today. It is after all, supposed to be about student athletes and developing men as well as football players.

    While I think new blood is needed (and all of the offensive coaches + Bradley appear out of their depth) I worry that the grass is not always greener and we might find out the hard way that winning may have other costs.

    I am curious, given that the big 10 appears weak this year, if PSU ran the table and takes the first title game (yes I know, but answer the question anyway...) is everyone here bashing Joe still going to be calling for his head?

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