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Phil Steele's All-Big Ten Squads for 2012

  • LBU59 said...

    I can see the following on here by the end of the year.

    Donovan Smith
    Massaro
    Stank
    Stephon Morris
    Willis

    Agree and I would throw in Amos for good measure.

    bigsuge71

  • What a terrible list of QBs with the exception of Denard Robinson. I think that is a telling sign that the B1G is going to have a bad year.

    PSUfanatic25

  • GRS154 said...

    1. All preseason publications might as well be printed on toilette paper IMO. It has little to do with Steele personally and more to do with his product which is worthless come September 1st and is always way off by years end.

    2. I'm not saying that he's a hack because he didn't have PSU guys ranked higher. I'm saying he's a hack because he hankies lite about how the 2012 season will go, and like another poster said, he's all about marketing his product, not necessarily getting the talent evaluation/prediction right.

    Thank God you posted this cause I was just about to bet the kids' college tuition based on preseason predictions. Close call......

    We Are27731

  • Wow. It really points out where we are likely to be this year: 2 players on the first 4 offense teams? That is dreadful.

    PSU Mike

  • LBU59 said...

    Seems about right, but where is moxie.

    He deserves to be on there as much as Braxton Miller.

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    JettaPSU2001

  • I think everyone is getting carried away with Donovan Smith. I think he is a great prospect and a player to build your line around. However, he is very young and he plays a tough position. I am not sure we should project him as All Big Ten this year. That is an unfair expectation on a kid that has not played a down of college football. He is gonig to take some lumps this year. Let's just hope if he starts (which is not a given yet) that he keeps developing and becomes a force on the line for years to come.

    MillerLatte

  • The Big Ten has not really had strong QB play for the last 5 or so years. Usually, the Big Ten team that breaks out is the team with the QB that plays the best. Look at the Big Ten championship game from last year - Michigan State and Wisconsin had the best QB's in the league last year. PSU has only been able to win the league when it has strong QB play (Robinson and Clark). If PSU hopes to make a run this year, they are going to need one of the QB's to make huge strides.

    MillerLatte

  • MillerLatte said...

    I think everyone is getting carried away with Donovan Smith. I think he is a great prospect and a player to build your line around. However, he is very young and he plays a tough position. I am not sure we should project him as All Big Ten this year. That is an unfair expectation on a kid that has not played a down of college football. He is gonig to take some lumps this year. Let's just hope if he starts (which is not a given yet) that he keeps developing and becomes a force on the line for years to come.

    Agreed. Even Levi Brown, who was a two-time all-American and top-five NFL draft pick, struggled as a redshirt freshman. Now, Brown was moved to LT in the summer of 2003, while Smith has been playing o-line since he arrived, but I would expect Smith to have similar ups and downs this year.

    Regarding QB play, you are absolutely correct that there is a strong correlation between good play at QB and top finishes in the conference, but with how offensively challenged most teams in the Big Ten will be this year, if McGloin just plays like a fifth-year senior that has been a starter for nearly two years now -- in other words, if he can cut back on the 2-3 bad throws/decisions he tends to make when he tries to be a gunslinger and play the same type of game that Scott Tolzien played for Wisconsin in 2010 - PSU will do really well this year, especially if our defense is up to its usual standards.

    This post was edited by Cambria Nittany on 5/24/2012 at 9:31 AM

    Cambria Nittany

  • How about Urschel?

    Vincent Vega

  • I think Urschel is a kid that gets lost in the hype game. He was not a highly ranked recruit. He is a bit undersized as well. However, he is a good athlete, very strong, tough and super smart. He is just a no nonsense kid that shows up and plays hard every play. I think he is a kid that could emerge as a strong player this year.

    MillerLatte

  • PureRockFury said...

    Well what else is he supposed to do? It's a giant guessing game. All anybody does is try to get people to read their stuff and make guesses that are no more accurate than others. Stop being a blind homer.

    Dude what did I say that made me a homer. I wouldn't read his rag even if all 22 PSU starters were named to the first team.

    How am I being a homer?

    I just think he's a hack as a talent evaluator, as are almost all preseason publications. They are written for the unread masses, for which no one who posts on here would qualify in my opinion. If you are smart enough to be on 247, and not ESPN, Rivals, or Scout, then why would you put ANY stock in this publication.

    The fact that you admit it's a guessing game shows that Steele's opinion/product matters 0%

    GRS154

  • We Are..... said...

    Thank God you posted this cause I was just about to bet the kids' college tuition based on preseason predictions. Close call......

    Snarky, I like it.

    My point is: Why do we care about this?

    GRS154

  • PSU Mike said...

    Wow. It really points out where we are likely to be this year: 2 players on the first 4 offense teams? That is dreadful.

    This is the type of guy I want to talk to: Mike, what makes you think we're going to be dreadful? Just because Steele doesn't like any of our players enough to list them on a preseason list? How many preseason all-big ten guys did we have going into the 2005 season? Poz? Hali maybe? Connor? Certainly Robinson, D-Will, King, Butler, Hunt, Lee, Lowery, none of those guys made his list.

    This year more than ever at PSU is the great unknown. We know who's been good before, but we have no idea what type of team we're going to have.... and we read this stuff every day. Steele probably spent 30 minutes on each team.

    Certainly we could be dreadful, but there's no way to predict that based on Steele's speculation in a preseason mag.

    GRS154

  • We have a lot of question marks right now. Most maybe answered positively, most may not. There is no way to tell right now. I haven't gone through each of the positions and competitors to make a case for our players, but in general I don't have any problem with Steele's predictions until we prove it on the field. IMO he is the best out threre with research for these kinds of prognistications, but he'll get some wrong, and hopefully a lot of ours.

    I kind of thought Red and Hill might be 1st team, but honestly I don't have a problem given who he has in front of them right now. I certainly think they are talented and driven enough to earn it, and I'm excited to watch it happen if it does.

    Someone mentioned 2005 --- that was an exception not the rule, there wasn't much reason to believe in pre-season that a team with a jack-of-all-trades-1st-time-starting QB and a brand new freshmen receiving corps were going to win the B1G after 4/5 losing seasons. Heck we weren't even sure what we had ourselves until after NW and we all started believing. Many were calling for M-Rob's hide until he brought us back from the brink. Maybe we can do it again this year with a bunch of new players and new systems/coaches to boot, but if I was in the business of advising bettors I certainly wouldn't stake my reputation on it.

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    Old Coaly

  • Agreed. Everyone brings up 2005 and that was a great year. However, everything fell into place that year. Almost all of the guys that were mentioned made huge improvements from the year before and true freshman and redshirt freshman came right in and played like veterans. Not to mention, PSU stayed healthy. It usually does not happen that way.

    For example, look at last year. None of our QB's got much better and if anything they regressed. As for our defensive ends, none of them became a dominate force and we lost our best one (Mascaro) before the season started. Many though Crawford would be the guy, but he was okay, not a player you had to gameplan for. We did not have a Hali in the bunch. Our wide receivers did not elevate their play from the year before. Sukey was average at best, he did not become Lowrey. Our linebackers were good, but Mauti was lost for the year. The offensive line was better than the year before, but never really dominated. Redd, Hill and Still were the three players that made huge jumps and really played well. That was not enough to make PSU a legit contender.

    This year, if PSU needs to have a shot, they need huge improvment in the QB position and they must stay healthy. This is not a deep team and it cannot contend if there is a lot of injuries.

    MillerLatte

  • We'll get back with BOB. The years of UW, MSU, Iowa, and Illinois will be over with the resurgence of Michigan, OSU being OSU, and a PSU program with energy and a far improved competency. The big three will be back. Shocking how much love the smaller programs got in this though. The talent will be developed here with BOB.

    abubby

  • MillerLatte said...

    Agreed. Everyone brings up 2005 and that was a great year. However, everything fell into place that year. Almost all of the guys that were mentioned made huge improvements from the year before and true freshman and redshirt freshman came right in and played like veterans. Not to mention, PSU stayed healthy. It usually does not happen that way.

    I agree with all of this. My point was that preseason predictions are often wrong and that's just one example of that. I'm not comparing this team to the '05 team. I use it as an example only. Then I even agreed that we might very well be dreadful.

    But will someone please tell me how Phil Steele's preseason evaluation of the all-big ten team means that we're sure to be dreadful, as at least one person has now said?

    GRS154

  • GRS154 said...

    Snarky, I like it.

    My point is: Why do we care about this?

    Snarky is my specialty, ask my wife. The answer to your question is simple, it gets us to September. We all know that preseason predictions aren't worth squat, but it's something to read and talk about till the fall. Kinda like why we're having this discussion on a message board in May.

    We Are27731

  • I haven't read all of this, but Phil Steele is the most reliable magazine for college football, hands down.

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    chezhoy

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    PSUGeddy

  • if you buy one guide, it should be Phil Steele's. why get mad over his opinion, this team wasnt that good last year.

    thegenerel