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Penn State's QB situation gets crazier

  • PSUjosh11 said...

    That's the same situation he got himself into last year after Rob's injury - failing to get Rob in and have some PT which led to his near transfer. Joe had the same remarks after the season regarding the QB situation when Rob was looking at transferring. We're headed down the same path we went down last year, IMO.

    If there's a good spot to put Bolden in a game then I'm all for it. The third quarter against Northwestern isn't in the same zip code as "good spot".

    gemrich ●

  • gemrich said...

    Two things. Does anyone actually believe Bolden will start on Saturday? And it's rather disturbing to read that the Paterno's looked back and thought it would have been a good idea to play Bolden in the third quarter on Saturday. Check that. That's not rather disturbing, that's downright frightening.

    Gem do you really think that Joe has ever let the press in on his private thoughts about ANYTHING? Or are Joe's remarks structured to keep Bolden from walking off the team and leaving them with little depth? IMO (and it's only my opinion) Joe says to the press what he WANTS them to write about the situation...or any other situation for that matter. Coaches innately distrust the media and the smart coaches use the media to their own advantage. FWIW I would guess that Joe didn't consider for one second putting Bolden in vs NW...but is he going to say that to the media and destroy what's left of Bolden's ego? Let's see what happens Saturday, but I do think that Bolden will get some time this week.

    Also, this situation is just KILLING PSU's season isn't it? 7 - 1 while playing two QBs is a disgrace. LOL And each week the forecasters of disaster predict "It will catch up with them sooner or later". Well it's now "later"...and "later" is 7 - 1. What a terrible fate huh?

    SJLuvsLions

  • SJLuvsLions said...

    Gem do you really think that Joe has ever let the press in on his private thoughts about ANYTHING? Or are Joe's remarks structured to keep Bolden from walking off the team and leaving them with little depth? IMO (and it's only my opinion) Joe says to the press what he WANTS them to write about the situation...or any other situation for that matter. Coaches innately distrust the media and the smart coaches use the media to their own advantage. FWIW I would guess that Joe didn't consider for one second putting Bolden in vs NW...but is he going to say that to the media and destroy what's left of Bolden's ego? Let's see what happens Saturday, but I do think that Bolden will get some time this week.

    Also, this situation is just KILLING PSU's season isn't it? 7 - 1 while playing two QBs is a disgrace. LOL And each week the forecasters of disaster predict "It will catch up with them sooner or later". Well it's now "later"...and "later" is 7 - 1. What a terrible fate huh?

    I considered that, and you're absolutely right that it's possible. I just found it to be an odd way to accomplish what they would have been aiming for there. I would have been more quick to dismiss it if it weren't for his recent comments regarding his handling of the Clark/Devlin situation, unless again, it's all part of a master plan to keep Bolden. But I'll tell you this, if all this is just part of a plan to keep Bolden happy/around, then I hate it. I think it's a bit beneath Joe.

    gemrich ●

  • gemrich said...

    If there's a good spot to put Bolden in a game then I'm all for it. The third quarter against Northwestern isn't in the same zip code as "good spot".

    Really? The offense is stagnant, scoring only because of a GIFT from the defense, and you don't think it was reasonable to even consider making a change?

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  • gemrich said...

    I considered that, and you're absolutely right that it's possible. I just found it to be an odd way to accomplish what they would have been aiming for there. I would have been more quick to dismiss it if it weren't for his recent comments regarding his handling of the Clark/Devlin situation, unless again, it's all part of a master plan to keep Bolden. But I'll tell you this, if all this is just part of a plan to keep Bolden happy/around, then I hate it. I think it's a bit beneath Joe.

    I hope it isn't because of the whole PD thing. If you start playing kids just to keep them around, it sets a pretty bad tone. The kids up there know which guy is playing better. Whether or not they come out and say it may be another thing. The problem is if one or two kids see the threat to quit route as a way to get PT....you are done. I don't think it matters much as I really feel Joe will be done at the end of this year and the new staff won't hold any of the QB's hands hopefully.

    "One man didn't build this program and one man sure as hell cannot tear it down."

    LaJollaLion

  • gemrich said...

    I considered that, and you're absolutely right that it's possible. I just found it to be an odd way to accomplish what they would have been aiming for there. I would have been more quick to dismiss it if it weren't for his recent comments regarding his handling of the Clark/Devlin situation, unless again, it's all part of a master plan to keep Bolden. But I'll tell you this, if all this is just part of a plan to keep Bolden happy/around, then I hate it. I think it's a bit beneath Joe.

    As a coach I'll tell you what I THINK is on Joe's mind. He has seen both kids work very, very hard and at the beginning of the season there was little difference between the two. McGlon has separated himself lately, but in Joe's mind there are two questions: Is Bolden going to be ready if McGloin falters, which he has done in the past? And, am I being as fair to these kids as I am obligated to be? I think Joe, along with most of us, realizes that in all probability Bolden is outta here at the end of the season. But Joe also went into the Rose Bowl game a few years ago minus Devlin. Does he want Bolden to take a walk mid-season? Bolden (IMO) shows every game by his body language etc that he is mostly about himself, so is it POSSIBLE that he wouldn't care about hurting the team by walking off right now? I don't know any answers...Im just posing questions and possibilities. But I doubt if Joe is kissing his butt to stay.

    SJLuvsLions

  • Is Joe doing this so another 4-5* QB doesn't transfer under the watch of his son?

    FireJayPa

  • psujmc1992 said...

    Really? The offense is stagnant, scoring only because of a GIFT from the defense, and you don't think it was reasonable to even consider making a change?

    Um, they had all of two drives in the third quarter outside of the TD drive. The first was extended after a Chima Okoli false start penalty left them in 3rd and 12 and McGloin completed that beautiful pass to Devon Smith down the sideline. The drive later ended only because Chima Okoli failed to block a lineman running straight by him. The second drive ended because after a first down, Troutman was beaten on a running play that resulted in a one yard loss, then Smith dropped a pass, then Troutman was beaten on 3rd and 11.

    So first, the idea that the offense was stagnant, is a stretch, and that's putting in mildly. Second, it had nothing to do with McGloin. So you want to consider taking out your quarterback who's playing well, in a close game on the road, and put in a quarterback who hasn't played at all and has been standing on the sidelines all game, and has been struggling. You think it's reasonable to consider making a change under those circumstances?

    Not only is not reasonable. It's insane.

    gemrich ●

  • SJLuvsLions said...

    As a coach I'll tell you what I THINK is on Joe's mind. He has seen both kids work very, very hard and at the beginning of the season there was little difference between the two. McGlon has separated himself lately, but in Joe's mind there are two questions: Is Bolden going to be ready if McGloin falters, which he has done in the past? And, am I being as fair to these kids as I am obligated to be? I think Joe, along with most of us, realizes that in all probability Bolden is outta here at the end of the season. But Joe also went into the Rose Bowl game a few years ago minus Devlin. Does he want Bolden to take a walk mid-season? Bolden (IMO) shows every game by his body language etc that he is mostly about himself, so is it POSSIBLE that he wouldn't care about hurting the team by walking off right now? I don't know any answers...Im just posing questions and possibilities. But I doubt if Joe is kissing his butt to stay.

    gotcha

    gemrich ●

  • gemrich said...

    Um, they had all of two drives in the third quarter outside of the TD drive. The first was extended after a Chima Okoli false start penalty left them in 3rd and 12 and McGloin completed that beautiful pass to Devon Smith down the sideline. The drive later ended only because Chima Okoli failed to block a lineman running straight by him. The second drive ended because after a first down, Troutman was beaten on a running play that resulted in a one yard loss, then Smith dropped a pass, then Troutman was beaten on 3rd and 11.

    So first, the idea that the offense was stagnant, is a stretch, and that's putting in mildly. Second, it had nothing to do with McGloin. So you want to consider taking out your quarterback who's playing well, in a close game on the road, and put in a quarterback who hasn't played at all and has been standing on the sidelines all game, and has been struggling. You think it's reasonable to consider making a change under those circumstances?

    Not only is not reasonable. It's insane.

    Just playing devil's advocate here Gem, but what you stated is basically what Bolden went through the majority of the season. WR's dropping balls, penalties and o-lineman killing drives, points not going on the board... Not saying I would have put Bolden in during the 3rd quarter against NW, but I also wouldn't have pulled Bolden in the 2nd quarter of a few games when they were driving the ball down the field.

    helpdesk

  • psujmc1992 said...

    Really? The offense is stagnant, scoring only because of a GIFT from the defense, and you don't think it was reasonable to even consider making a change?

    It wasn't really clearly stagnant until late in the third, and no, it wasn't reasonable to consider it. McGloin should clearly be the starter. Do you pull your starter because of a bad quarter? No. See Alabama/Tennessee.

    psume06 ●

  • helpdesk said...

    "...but I also wouldn't have pulled Bolden in the 2nd quarter of a few games when they were driving the ball down the field."

    I think this is probably the issue the vast majority of fans would have a problem with. It is oneof my bigger complaints of the QB drama we have had this season. There were definitely times where Bolden was moving the ball well in the 1st quarter and replaced in the 2nd quarter because that was the "plan." I realize he didn't always look great and had some bad decisions, passes, etc. but it is ridiculous to pull a kid when he is having some success. I have a hard time believing that the situation didn't get in his head and possibly altered his play in a negative way.

    PvillePA_Lion ●

  • Hamilton Lion said...

    Lets cool it with the 7-1 record. Probably 95% of PSU fans had this team at worst 6-2 at this juncture because the schedule WASN'T difficult at all. The only victory PSU has gotten that people thought was going to be a loss was a win against Iowa, which is probably the worst Iowa team in six years. A good PSU coaching staff doesn't struggled to beat Temple; struggled to beat a p*ss poor Indiana team; struggled to beat Purdue at home and don't pull away from Northwestern until the fourth quarter.

    Lots of the season left to go. This 7-1 start could easily turn downward this weekend with a loss to Illinois.

    You are absolutely right about what might happen with this season...

    However as it stands right now WE are 7-1. And if you are disappointed with how this 7-1 looks as opposed to the fantasy version you had in your head maybe it might be wise to dispense some of the blame for our 7 wins not being prettier on the guys that are most involved... the players.

    I am not pronouncing us the Big Ten champs, neither am I saying that we're the most dominant team in league... Yet as of today from a wins/losses standpoint we are in first place... I prefer to enjoy that status and not belly-ache about how we should have game-planned better for Indiana, etc.

    There is absolutely no reason to "cool it on the 7-1 record," because it is reality. But that wouldn't jive with a "bash-first" mentality.

    VinegarBased63624

  • helpdesk said...

    Just playing devil's advocate here Gem, but what you stated is basically what Bolden went through the majority of the season. WR's dropping balls, penalties and o-lineman killing drives, points not going on the board... Not saying I would have put Bolden in during the 3rd quarter against NW, but I also wouldn't have pulled Bolden in the 2nd quarter of a few games when they were driving the ball down the field.

    I understand what you're saying, don't agree totally, but understand. The difference I would say, is that McGloin coming in at the beginning of the 2nd quarter was predetermined. It's not like they made a decision to put McGloin in. Bolden was going to play the first quarter, McGloin the 2nd. They made that decision before those games ever started and told the quarterbacks and the team that's what was going to happen. Northwestern was a completely different situation. Also, despite some of the mistakes of others, Bolden never played well enough to earn more playing time. McGloin earned it by outplaying Bolden. We probably agree that the whole splitting quarters things was borderline ridiculous, and we would both probably agree that the performance of the offense/quarterbacks the first half of the year backs up that opinion. But once they made the made the decision to split quarters I never thought Bolden did anything to earn extended playing time.

    gemrich ●

  • gemrich said...

    I understand what you're saying, don't agree totally, but understand. The difference I would say, is that McGloin coming in at the beginning of the 2nd quarter was predetermined. It's not like they made a decision to put McGloin in. Bolden was going to play the first quarter, McGloin the 2nd. They made that decision before those games ever started and told the quarterbacks and the team that's what was going to happen. Northwestern was a completely different situation. Also, despite some of the mistakes of others, Bolden never played well enough to earn more playing time. McGloin earned it by outplaying Bolden. We probably agree that the whole splitting quarters things was borderline ridiculous, and we would both probably agree that the performance of the offense/quarterbacks the first half of the year backs up that opinion. But once they made the made the decision to split quarters I never thought Bolden did anything to earn extended playing time.

    How do you know what the plan was? Do you know what the QB's or the team was told?

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  • Look, I'm of the camp that taking so long to make a deicision, gave too many reps away from eventual starter. Another thing is did was to create potential turmoil at a critical juncture of schedule. Bottom line is that RB is one play away from being the unquestioned starter, so at this point do you think it behoves staff to ensure he's engaged and ready to go? Word is that he might be a little fragile, soi Staff has gone out of their way to stroke RB.

    Appears it may actually end up working out, as to this point it has not cost this squad anything from win/loss perspective, Bolden has not packed it in, and perhaps team feels a bit more comfortable now that one guy is the "unofficial" starter at a key time of season.

    nttnylyon

  • SJLuvsLions said...
    Bolden (IMO) shows every game by his body language etc that he is mostly about himself, so is it POSSIBLE that he wouldn't care about hurting the team by walking off right now? I don't know any answers...Im just posing questions and possibilities. But I doubt if Joe is kissing his butt to stay.

    Sorry, but I call BS on this. There have been countless times this year he's been congratulating guys coming off the field. Many times he was trying to lift guys up after they dropped balls. People on here see 5 second clips of him on the sidelines during a 3 hour game. He has come back and not once said anything remotely about being a non-team player. Because he's been in the middle of a battle and hasn't been standing with pom poms makes him "all about himself?" BS. McGloin has stood there doing the same exact thing, arms folded.

    md154

  • psujmc1992 said...

    How do you know what the plan was? Do you know what the QB's or the team was told?

    The coaches said it was the plan, the players said it was the plan, and they played Bolden in the first quarter and McGloin in the second quarter of every game up until the switch was made. So everyone said it was the plan and that's exactly what happened. I'm confused, this has been an established fact for about two months.

    gemrich ●

  • gemrich said...

    The coaches said it was the plan, the players said it was the plan, and they played Bolden in the first quarter and McGloin in the second quarter of every game up until the switch was made. So everyone said it was the plan and that's exactly what happened. I'm confused, this has been an established fact for about two months.

    The question is why was Bolden warming up prior to the initial 2nd quarter series, where the QB change took place in every other game, if he was not expecting to go in as McGloin had done in all prior games? I haven't read any interviews where anyone said the plan was to play McGloin the whole game or the first half. I read after the fact that McGloin was told he would start the NW game prior to the Purdue game, but in none of those articles did they even hint that the rotation would change.

    helpdesk

  • gemrich said...

    The coaches said it was the plan, the players said it was the plan, and they played Bolden in the first quarter and McGloin in the second quarter of every game up until the switch was made. So everyone said it was the plan and that's exactly what happened. I'm confused, this has been an established fact for about two months.

    I meant for the NW game.

    Edit: what helpdesk said.

    This post was edited by psujmc1992 on 10/26/2011 at 2:02 PM

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  • md154 said...

    Sorry, but I call BS on this. There have been countless times this year he's been congratulating guys coming off the field. Many times he was trying to lift guys up after they dropped balls. People on here see 5 second clips of him on the sidelines during a 3 hour game. He has come back and not once said anything remotely about being a non-team player. Because he's been in the middle of a battle and hasn't been standing with pom poms makes him "all about himself?" BS. McGloin has stood there doing the same exact thing, arms folded.

    I would agree with you generally across the board. I think from the get go with both of these guys every little thing has been analyzed and some times to the point of over-analysis. Bolden has been a class act this whole season and I have seen nothing that leads me to believe he won't continue to be.

    To my knowledge there is nothing I have seen this year that indicates that Bolden has given up on competing or being a team player... or plans to quit on his team/teammates.

    VinegarBased63624

  • Vinegar-Based said...

    The coaching staff and their poor job performance has us at 7-1 and alone at the top of our division...

    Yeah, all those great teams we banged out wins against. Maybe we should play DII schools so you could brag about going undefeated.

    Try to fathom the hypocrisy of a Government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured .but not prove they're a citizen

    sneakypete

  • SJLuvsLions said...

    Gem do you really think that Joe has ever let the press in on his private thoughts about ANYTHING? Or are Joe's remarks structured to keep Bolden from walking off the team and leaving them with little depth? IMO (and it's only my opinion) Joe says to the press what he WANTS them to write about the situation...or any other situation for that matter. Coaches innately distrust the media and the smart coaches use the media to their own advantage. FWIW I would guess that Joe didn't consider for one second putting Bolden in vs NW...but is he going to say that to the media and destroy what's left of Bolden's ego? Let's see what happens Saturday, but I do think that Bolden will get some time this week.

    Also, this situation is just KILLING PSU's season isn't it? 7 - 1 while playing two QBs is a disgrace. LOL And each week the forecasters of disaster predict "It will catch up with them sooner or later". Well it's now "later"...and "later" is 7 - 1. What a terrible fate huh?

    Right, cause he didn't keep the charade going for a few weeks even when it was obvious that McGloin should be the starter.

    Yup, that amazing 7-1 record against all those powerhouse teams we have played. Maybe we should play DII teams so you could brag about Joe going undefeated while CONTINUING to ignore the competition PSU has played so far.

    Man, I really don't think that you believe Joe has ever coached in a game PSU has lost and think you will have an excuse for anything and everything he does. I may be negative about Joe but at least I will say when he did a good job when he actually does.

    Try to fathom the hypocrisy of a Government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured .but not prove they're a citizen

    sneakypete

  • SJLuvsLions said...

    As a coach I'll tell you what I THINK is on Joe's mind. He has seen both kids work very, very hard and at the beginning of the season there was little difference between the two. McGlon has separated himself lately, but in Joe's mind there are two questions: Is Bolden going to be ready if McGloin falters, which he has done in the past? And, am I being as fair to these kids as I am obligated to be? I think Joe, along with most of us, realizes that in all probability Bolden is outta here at the end of the season. But Joe also went into the Rose Bowl game a few years ago minus Devlin. Does he want Bolden to take a walk mid-season? Bolden (IMO) shows every game by his body language etc that he is mostly about himself, so is it POSSIBLE that he wouldn't care about hurting the team by walking off right now? I don't know any answers...Im just posing questions and possibilities. But I doubt if Joe is kissing his butt to stay.

    Joe went into the Rose Bowl without Devlin because HE TOLD DEVLIN TO LEAVE. Devlin was going to stay til the game was over but JOE wanted him gone. Now, Joe has every right to make that decision but it's on him not Devlin.

    Since when has Joe worried abiout being fair?

    Joe is clearly not worried about hurting the team, if he was, he'd retire.

    Try to fathom the hypocrisy of a Government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured .but not prove they're a citizen

    sneakypete

  • psujmc1992 said...

    I meant for the NW game.

    Edit: what helpdesk said.

    my bad guys. You're right. I have no idea what the plan was going into the game. I hadn't heard anything about a set rotation from any of the players of coaches, so I'm just assuming they went in with the plan to start McGloin and go from there. All the quotes from after the game seem to indicate that was the plan, but I certainly don't have any inside information on this or anything like that. I'm guessing they were hoping to get Bolden some playing time, much like they hoped to at times near the end of the last year, but that the way the game played out prevented that. The problem for Bolden is that this team isn't good enough to blow out anyone that's remaining on the schedule, nor are they likely to be blown out given how good their defense is. Anywhere in between (which is pretty much how the last half of last year played out) means they likely won't put Bolden in. I'm having a hard time foreseeing a likely scenario where Bolden doesn't finish the year as a rather unhappy player, which is exactly what they've been trying to avoid.

    gemrich ●

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