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psupartyman said...
I can see being disappointed that Joe did not do more, but to throw the blame on him and vilify him is ridiculous. He is human and screwed up, but from the beginning the BOT has done nothing but position Joe to take the fall. This Freeh report is all part and parcel in that. If this is such a professional report, why the leaks? Especially specific ones that make Joe look bad? Why was the report allowed to stray from investigating the Sandusky situation and into other aspects of PSU - including discipline of non-football students? (As reported in the news) This was totally unnessecary and actually quite stupid. What other school would allow investigators cart blanche to look for negative things to report. And make no mistake, thats what they were doing. The investigators should of been directed to keep their investigation to the facts of the JS case only. Someones agenda has been helped by this report.....As for Joe, I respect the man and always will, but I thought he coached 10 years too long and wished he would of done more when MM came to him, and just to make it clear I am not a Joe worshipper in any way shape or form. I am also convinced that this whole episode helped put him in his grave. We Are and always will be......!
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I know some of the leaks came from the BOT's special "task force" that is monitoring the investigation. His name is Ken Frazier. He went on record saying that the report will be very bad for JoePa, the football program, and the administration after a meeting with Freeh group to check on status of investigation
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I know some of the leaks came from the BOT's special "task force" that is monitoring the investigation. His name is Ken Frazier. He went on record saying that the report will be very bad for JoePa, the football program, and the administration after a meeting with Freeh group to check on status of investigation
F the NCAA F the BOT F ESPN F Sandusky
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TheBleedingLion said...
I know some of the leaks came from the BOT's special "task force" that is monitoring the investigation. His name is Ken Frazier. He went on record saying that the report will be very bad for JoePa, the football program, and the administration after a meeting with Freeh group to check on status of investigation
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TheBleedingLion said...
sneaky;
i think one mistake people are making is the same mistake the media is making. I'm not a Joe apologist and welcome all facts. But lets take what we know for what it is and not ignore the "hindsight" portion of his statement:
1. MM testified that he didnt tell Joe exactly what he saw, he also proved during cross examination that he wasn't even sure what he saw...which ultimately led to an acquittal on that incident. That alone speaks volumes, but lets keep going on it to address Joe's "moral obligations." So basically Joe knows Jerry was in the showers with a child, thats it, why would he assume that a man like Jerry was doing something so devious. He obviously thought that alone was wrong and reported it to Curley and Shultz for further investigating. So he wasn't ok with it like many say he was. He had no reason to believe child molestation was happening and doing so and publicly stating something so disturbing without actual facts can also be viewed as morally wrong, no? We all like to say we would have done this or done that, but thats easy to say now after seeing 10+ victims come forward. His statement that "with the benefit of hindsight I wish I had done more" shows that at 84 and battling lung cancer he still was more intelligent and centered than 90% of us who fly off the handle when difficult situations arise.
2. I'm not sure how any of you can criticize the Paterno's handling of their public statements. The guy was fired in front of a national audience, gagged, and literally left to die without being able to address his response to what happened. The family can't defend themselves against what they dont know. Leftcoast is way off base with his position. This material hasn't been presented to them so they literally have no clue what Joe is being accused of, if anything, by the Freeh Report. Not sure what else you want them to say. But I applaud their stance that they are not afraid of what the report says and are ready to respond when its presented to them. They have complete confidence in Joe and I see no reason for them to apologize to people. Sure, he gave an interview before he died, but even then he still didn't know a lot of what was about to come out, so he couldn't address the investigation fully. To me, that is proof that he really didn't know what was about to come out. A guilty man is always easy to read in my opinion because they become defensive and forging, Joe did neither and is being criticized for it because people assume he knew more. Some people need to get over the perception that Joe Paterno ruled State College, Pa. Sure, he had some pull and his words were very influential, but lets not assume he used the power people gave him outside his realm of responsibility. Because there is not one fact out there that he EVER did this, just assumptions. Time and time again Joe asked people to not view him as larger than life, does that not tell you something about how he viewed himself?
3. I'm not trying to defend Joe, I'm trying to defend the facts. I don't think there will be a happy ending for Joe regardless of what the report says because the damage is done and it really saddens me. You can't change public perception and the loudest voice tends to be the most ill-informed. We were very fortunate to have someone like Joe running our football program for so many years, and we took great pride in that. It made our fan base what it is and different from everyone else in my opinion. Like I said before, if it comes out that Joe did out step his boundaries and did turn a blind eye then shame on me and I can honestly say that it will really change my belief that there are truly good people out there. It will also be completely heart broken because I am a fan of Penn State Football because of the old cry "winning the right way." And that to me goes beyond the student athlete, its the culture, a culture Joe Paterno brought to Penn State that has withstood the test of time.
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PvillePA_Lion said...
Your wasting your breath on that one...you won't convince people that have made up their mind one way or another. I think it is sad that people are so quick to judge based on whatever "facts" (or lack there of) are out there. The reality is the media has skewed public perception in regards to this whole mess. Yes people certainly screwed up here but to what extent each person is guilty is not known and probably never will fully be known. But it is not just Joe Paterno or Penn State, there are MANY people included in this including the Second Mile, the former AG, the State College Police, Children and Youth Services, several high schools, the kids families (yes they get some guilt too), etc. The problem is Joe Paterno and Penn State are household names that draw viewership and readership on the interwebs so they take the most blame. If sneaky and anyone else that wants to believe that Joe could have told his story then fine let them. The fact is that the story even stated that Joe was not fully with it due to the fact that he was dieing of lung cancer during the interview. If people can't accept that reality than whatever...let him.
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Blissios said...
People need to stop reading history backwards. Amazing how people look at the actions of those involved at the time as though it is obvious that they knew at the time whatbwe know now. That Sandusky was a monster and not some creep.
That Joe knew he was going to die within two months and had said all he could have said.
Or that the investigation would focus on the issues with VT and that he would need to go in depth into individual player issues.
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PSUBlueBlood said...
How is the content and opinions expressed in this aricle relevant to the Penn State internal investigation? It's not. Everything Joe did or didn't do was done behind closed doors.
Freeh got access to internal PSU memos which will once and for all soil Joe's reputation and as with most people, he did it to himself.
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gemrich said...
I'm not saying there wasn't a coverup, just that no one knew what kind of true nut job Sandusky was at the time. That's the main point. Most people are subconsciously joining the two and that makes them angry. I don't believe for one second that anyone had a clue what kind of person Sandusky actually was at the time those decisions were made.
That doesn't excuse any potential mistakes they made, it just makes it (potentially) an issue with stupidity as opposed to something much more sinister.
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leftcoastlion said...
Some things will never change. For PSU fans it is the relentless defense of all things Paterno. I did nothing other than express frustration with the Paterno family's continued failure to tell Joe's side of the story, and got bombed by nearly 60 down votes.
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leftcoastlion said...
Some things will never change. For PSU fans it is the relentless defense of all things Paterno. I did nothing other than express frustration with the Paterno family's continued failure to tell Joe's side of the story, and got bombed by nearly 60 down votes.
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Some things will never change. For PSU fans it is the relentless defense of all things Paterno. I did nothing other than express frustration with the Paterno family's continued failure to tell Joe's side of the story, and got bombed by nearly 60 down votes.
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