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GRS154 said...
I agree with that statement more than what Jive is trying to sell me, which incidentally is a load of crap. There were times where I though we threw the ball three straight downs and had to punt, and wished after the fact that we had run the ball on 1st or 2nd in order to set up a manageable 3rd down.
But even so, look at the numbers:
McGloin passed the ball 446 times, completing 60.5% of his passes, averaging 7.33 yards per attempt (not yards per completion, but yards per attempt).
We ran the ball as a team 475 times for a team average of 3.6 yards per attempt (but Zwinak was much better at 4.9 yards per rush).
So we ran the ball 51.6% of the time. That's very balanced....
Now if you want to get into specific game situations throughout the year, that's a great discussion to have. But I think we need to go back to reality and what actually happened.
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GRS154 said...
On 3rd and 2 or 3, that's arguably one of the BEST SCENARIOS in which to pass the ball--especially play action. On 3rd and short, BOB has his entire playbook available to him--runs and passes and play fakes--and he can truly mix it up on offense to keep defenses guess. And moreover, he can send McGloin to the line with 2 plays--one run, one pass--and McG calls the one based on the defense's pre-snap reads.
Now, if you want to say that we should run the ball on 3rd and short every time in a game in which we are having great success running the ball and our O-Line is dominating at the point of attack, I agree with you.
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getmyjive11 said...
I don't know... 3/5 is 60% while 12/13 is 92%. Makes sense... MM is a 60% passer, and I'm sure if you look at rushing plays, 90+% went for at least 1 yard (less sacks).
I just remember being upset on multiple occassions where I felt that BOB got too cute. We had Zwinak and Zordich in the backfield, and we were getting more than a yard a sneak from MM. I just see no reason to throw. Admittedly though, I am conservative in that aspect.
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Texas Lion said...
The play action pass is only a threat if you've run the ball in short yardage situations before. If the defense knows you don't run on third and a certain yardage, they won't respect the run at all.
I agree that short yardage situations are good times to pass, and IMO coming to the line with 4 wide (and for us with the luxury of our TEs being fantastic receivers they can go out wide too) is the best thing to do because it spreads the defense and creates running lanes. There'a obviously different philosophies though, so I could understand bringing on the big boys.
Also, I'm pretty certain it's common for an offense like ours to have options that the QB is responsible for, not just on 3rd down situations.
However, IMO, it's all based off of the run. If it's not balanced then there's not much of a threat to the defense and they can key in on just one aspect of the play.
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getmyjive11 said...
I don't know... 3/5 is 60% while 12/13 is 92%. Makes sense... MM is a 60% passer, and I'm sure if you look at rushing plays, 90+% went for at least 1 yard (less sacks).
I just remember being upset on multiple occassions where I felt that BOB got too cute. We had Zwinak and Zordich in the backfield, and we were getting more than a yard a sneak from MM. I just see no reason to throw. Admittedly though, I am conservative in that aspect.
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GRS154 said...
I just looked back at 3rd and 2 on our side of the field (I think 4th-and-1 and 3rd-and-3 are not comparable to 3rd-and-1):
We were 4/4 on 3rd and 2 on our side of the field running the ball.
We were 4/6 passing the ball in the same scenario. Success against Ohio, ILL, NW (down by 3 in 4Q might I add), and IND (down by 3 in the 2Q). Failed against Ohio State and Purdue: it's here where I think Jive is recalling spots he wished BOB ran the ball more.
#1 Against Ohio State, 1st Quarter tied 0-0, 3rd and 2 McGloin incomplete after Zwinak ran for 2 yards on 1st down and 6 yards on 2nd down (near midfield). We called a timeout on 4th down where BOB changed his mind and punted rather than going for it near midfield--here's where I thought we could have been more aggressive since against every other team we went for it on 4th down in that position.
#2 Against Purdue the next week, 2nd Quarter up 10-3, 3rd and 2 on the PSU 36 after the previous play script went like this: McGloin pass to Robinson for 6 yards, ZZ for 7 yards (1st down), McGloin to James for 2 yds, ZZ for 6 yds, McGloin incomplete. Butters then had a terrible punt that Purdue started at the 50 and missed a FGA on that drive. No harm, no fowl, but it came the very next week after the scenario I'm sure Jive is thinking about.
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