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  • talbert39 said...

    Not a flame but how do you consider this even close to what USC did or that it should be lack of institutional control. Granted we all do not see things for the teams we cheer for the way others see them but it seems to me that all of the things I mentioned are punishment for the penalty. If TP came back for the last 7 games of the season it is very likely that tOSU is playing in the B1G championship game as well as possibly a BCS game so there is a great financial loss associated (about $1,500,000 for all member schools). Losing the head coach was also a resultant of having the season we had (and you guys more than anyone should understand what the loss of an iconic coach costs), Paying back the bowl revenue from last year was over $1,000,000 of lost revenue. Plus all the lost revenue from sold player sports appareal not realized from the players suspended and gone, 6 scholarships is not a slap on the wrist as that could potetially be 6 all americans. So all in all tOSU has made restitutions and losses of several million dollars for what amounts to less than $8000 in benefits received(tattoo's traded for memoriabilia the players owned). Notre Dames Rudy just scammed people out of $11,000,000 and had to pay an SEC fine of about $325,000( where is the justice exactly tOSU $8000 received and several million paid out in restitution, Rudy $325,000 paid and $11,000,000 received) so financially tOSU has paid way more than their share for the penalties incurred. I understand peoples hatred of tOSU and I am not saying they should get NO penalty but what should happen is the penalty should fit the crime. If you steal a loaf of bread from the store you don't get a death penalty in any court in the land so I personally don't understand how everyone wants tOSU slaughtered for the penalties that occured other than personal hatred towards them.

    I'd like to hear the difference other than $$$ amounts between what JT did and what USC's ASSISTANCT coach did? Just asking, but is lying to the NCAA different for an asst. coach versus a Head coach or is it strictly the $$$ amount of the gifts. That NCAA and their fuzzy math, must be nice to have Smith to close to them.

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  • LaJollaLion said...

    I'd like to hear the difference other than $$$ amounts between what JT did and what USC's ASSISTANCT coach did? Just asking, but is lying to the NCAA different for an asst. coach versus a Head coach or is it strictly the $$$ amount of the gifts. That NCAA and their fuzzy math, must be nice to have Smith to close to them.

    Tressel will get hammered, personally. But Smith self reported when he found out what Tress did. USC's AD knew that the assistant coach was facilitating the relationship and did not report. That's why USC got LOIC and tOSU did not. Not to mention the hundreds of thousands dollar difference and that the assistant initiated the contact as a recruiting tool where as Tress covered it up after the players committed the violation.

    AllDay28

  • LaJollaLion said...

    I'd like to hear the difference other than $$$ amounts between what JT did and what USC's ASSISTANCT coach did? Just asking, but is lying to the NCAA different for an asst. coach versus a Head coach or is it strictly the $$$ amount of the gifts. That NCAA and their fuzzy math, must be nice to have Smith to close to them.

    The difference is what they lied about. Tressell got and will get his penalty for lying (5 year show cause penalty, effectively ending his coaching career), but I think lying during a federal drug investigation to protect players (if you believe that) is still quite different than lying about giving a sports agent cash to get a players committment as well as illegal housing allowances as well as everything else that was uncovered at USC (in several sports). There is just really no comparison between the two crimes. Believe me I do understand that many want tOSU punished severally but if you really look at the situation they have already been punished a huge amount financially for the small pittance that was recieved as well as paid back by each athlete.

    talbert39

  • talbert39 said...

    Lost starting QB

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't teepee just take the easy way out and head to the NFL? Then he revealed that his white millionaire septuagenarian BFF gave him improper benefits to get eligible for the supplemental draft.

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  • You're acting like losing your coach was a punishment.

    You lost your coach because he did not follow rules. end of story.

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  • AllDay28 said...

    Tressel will get hammered, personally. But Smith self reported when he found out what Tress did. USC's AD knew that the assistant coach was facilitating the relationship and did not report. That's why USC got LOIC and tOSU did not. Not to mention the hundreds of thousands dollar difference and that the assistant initiated the contact as a recruiting tool where as Tress covered it up after the players committed the violation.

    This makes sense. To be honest I never saw much issue with them having sold their trophies and memorabilia, I think that is an extremely outdated rule/system. I can't see much bad happening to them. OSU is the most dominant team in the most wealthy major conference...the NCAA won't want to kick the Golden Goose.

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  • AllDay28 said...

    Tressel will get hammered, personally. But Smith self reported when he found out what Tress did. USC's AD knew that the assistant coach was facilitating the relationship and did not report. That's why USC got LOIC and tOSU did not. Not to mention the hundreds of thousands dollar difference and that the assistant initiated the contact as a recruiting tool where as Tress covered it up after the players committed the violation.

    Do you mean get hammered like OSU giving him a retirement instead of actually terminating him permanently with no ties? So it was just the $$$ amounts basically...kind of figured that. No worries, hopefully the NCAA really sticks it to PSU for Sandusky...huge advantage he has given the school. NCAA is a joke and good for OSU knowing this with Smith there.

    This post was edited by LaJollaLion on 12/20/2011 at 11:51 AM

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  • plus 1 to you AllDay.

    talbert39

  • Rick81 said...

    I would love to see a bowl ban for this year. Then the Gator Bowl would have to scramble to find someone else to play.

    Probably won't happen though. I'm sure the Gator Bowl got assurances that OSU would not be banned this year.

    And I'm sure Delaney et al have been lobbying hard for the Bucks - just like they did for us with relation to the Sandusky scandal. Oh, wait a minute, didn't they announce that they were going to investigate us?

    Here's a question for the board: If the Sandusky scandal had happened at OSU or UM, would the Big Ten be investigating either of them?

    You guys have the CHILD sex scandal and you're trying to feel sorry for yourself? Shame on you guys... I would however like to thank Penn St for sending some commitments our way, Appreciate it guys!

    This post was edited by Pat Tholey on 12/20/2011 at 12:21 PM

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  • tdiddy said...

    Sanctions:

    - 3 tattoos per player (forced laser removal for those who have already completely filled the space) - Ban of import autos as player incentives. American only...we have an economy to stimulate. - 10 Buckeyes per helmet - 5 less minutes of Urban Meyer ESPN airtime per week - The tuba player gets a one game suspension. - Forced usage of internet explorer on all computers in the compliance office...will make sending emails more difficult.

    The "I" now needs to be in capital letters during the pre-game ceremony.

    md154

  • ...more importantly, I would like to see what happens with Oregon. That is far more severe in my opinion. Before anyone tries to question my allegiances I am a stalwart Penn State fan and alumni, I just think that proportionately Oregon deserves a much harsher punishment...as did USC.

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  • DZforTHREE said...

    Are you F$^&(*&^ kidding me!!!? You guys have the CHILD sex scandal and you're trying to feel sorry for yourself? Shame on you guys... I would however like to thank Penn St for sending some commitments our way, Appreciate it guys!

    5 people at Penn State responsible for a deplorable inaction...all gone. More than that responsible for OSU's issues. But thanks for playing...and staying classy. rottentomato

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  • Saying loosing Pryor, Herron, Posey and Tressel hurt the school is true but that was their individual punishment. The school now needs it's punishment. The rules are stupid but they played with ineligible players ... not just one, like 5 very good ones, then the head of the program lied about it and blatantly covered it up. I think these rules violations are stupid but it goes against the fabric of amateur athletics. 6 schollies is a absolute joke. The bad season and lost coach was their fault for being knuckleheads... the programs ultimately have to be held accountable.

    blackshoes

  • LaJollaLion said...

    Do you mean get hammered like OSU giving him a retirement instead of actually terminating him permanently with no ties? So it was just the $$$ amounts basically...kind of figured that. No worries, hopefully the NCAA really sticks it to PSU for Sandusky...huge advantage he has given the school. NCAA is a joke and good for OSU knowing this with Smith there.

    Did you not read the post? Here are the differences laid out in bullets:

    - Coach at USC facilitated violation as recruting tool; Tress found out after the violation happened
    - USC AD knew what was going on; Smith reported Tress when he found out he had lied
    - USC did not cooperate with NCAA when asked for files and interviews; tOSU fully cooperated
    - USC violations were worth roughly ~750000 dollars; tOSU's violations were worth roughly 8000 dollars.

    Those are major differences, with the biggest being in regards to intent to commit violations. You can't argue that the tOSU program and compliance department was as at fault as USC's with those facts.

    And Tress will get the 5 year show cause which means he likely won't ever be able to coach again. His coaching career was ended early and he lost a very lucrative job extremely abruptly. He also was fined 250k and only got paid 54k + benefits for 6 months in a year where he was supposed to make 4mil+. The show cause is the toughest penalty that the NCAA hands out besides a death penalty for a program.

    This post was edited by AllDay28 on 12/20/2011 at 12:04 PM

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  • DZforTHREE said...

    I would however like to thank Penn St for sending some commitments our way, Appreciate it guys!

    No problem. Maybe you can break .500 next year now.

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  • AllDay28 said...

    Did you not read the post? Here are the differences laid out in bullets:

    - Coach at USC facilitated violation as recruting tool; Tress found out after the violation happened - USC AD knew what was going on; Smith reported Tress when he found out he had lied - USC did not cooperate with NCAA when asked for files and interviews; tOSU fully cooperated - USC violations were worth roughly ~750000 dollars; tOSU's violations were worth roughly 8000 dollars.

    Those are major differences, with the biggest being in regards to intent to commit violations. You can't argue that the tOSU program and compliance department was as at fault as USC's with those facts.

    And Tress will get the 5 year show cause which means he likely won't ever be able to coach again. His coaching career was ended early and he lost a very lucrative job extremely abruptly. The show cause is the toughest penalty that the NCAA hands out besides a death penalty for a program.

    OSU has a history...T. Smith was known by the NCAA for getting cash. Bball as well was on probation. You guys don't get it and never will. It's the history and repeated offenses that are a joke. You along with the SEC know how to walk that line. Good on you, maybe the next HC will learn to look the other way for PSU.

    This post was edited by LaJollaLion on 12/20/2011 at 12:12 PM

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  • LaJollaLion said...

    OSU has a history...T. Smith was known by the NCAA for getting cash. Bball as well was on probation. You guys don't get it and never will. It's the history and repeated offenses that are a joke. You along with the SEC know how to walk that line. Good on you, maybe the next HC will learn to look the other way for PSU.

    Every school in the country has had at least a secondary violation over the past decade saved for two. The fact that we had a couple secondaries over the last decade does not make it a hugely different case. USC also had secondary violations before that one. If it were true that these past secondary violations really change how they will be punished then any program that is charged with a major violation would be given the death penalty because of the commonplace of secondary violations. And basketball was in trouble years ago under a different coach.

    So either you want to abolish half the NCAA (mostly the schools with the largest athletic departments) or you want to irrationally punish tOSU for a case that is very different from the others who have been punished that severely. There is and has been a clear difference and intent, knowledge, and scope of the situation. It's pretty clear that your hatred for the university is clouding any logical thinking.

    This post was edited by AllDay28 on 12/20/2011 at 12:20 PM

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  • LaJollaLion said...

    OSU has a history...Smith was known by the NCAA. Bball as well. You guys don't get it and never will. It's the history and repeated offenses that are a joke. You along with the SEC know how to walk that line. Good on you, maybe the next HC will learn to look the other way for PSU.

    Anything previously mentioned has as AllDay said been scondary violations which are minor offenses (persay a misdemeanor). Every institution except two have had these types violations so let he without sin cast the first stone. The jest of my comments is to say no matter what ruling is handed down there has been many penalties, fines, and terminations that have occured because of these violations that people must consider before saying "Oh, well it's just special treatment for tOSU". The University, the athletes, and the fans have already paid dearly for these penalties. The healing phase has already began with huge success; Hiring Meyer, getting some great recruits, life and excitement are coming back after a year of abscence. All of the PSU fans will understand what this truely means in the coming year, not crucifying just saying. We are beyond hope that the news that comes down this afternoon will be no big surprise. For the sake of the B1G on the face of all of college football we should all hope that all of our prominent programs (tOSU, UM, UW, UN, PSU, and MSU) all stay prominent programs now and forever in the future.

    talbert39

  • Every institution except two have had these types violations so let he without sin cast the first stone.

    Who were the two that didn't have those violations?

    getmyjive11

  • http://www.buckeyextra.com/content/stories/2011/12/20/ncaa-report.html
    If true, I think this is fair for the most part. On the light side but punishes Tressel the most, and rightfully so.
    But it definitely doesn't make the statement that "big bad" Emmert talked about early on.
    EDIT: After actually seeing the immense difference between OSU and USC... wow. Yeah not exactly the same, but if I were a Buckeye fan I'd be dancing in the streets.

    This post was edited by RWC5113 on 12/20/2011 at 12:54 PM

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  • AllDay28 said...

    Every school in the country has had at least a secondary violation over the past decade saved for two. The fact that we had a couple secondaries over the last decade does not make it a hugely different case. USC also had secondary violations before that one. If it were true that these past secondary violations really change how they will be punished then any program that is charged with a major violation would be given the death penalty because of the commonplace of secondary violations. And basketball was in trouble years ago under a different coach.

    So either you want to abolish half the NCAA (mostly the schools with the largest athletic departments) or you want to irrationally punish tOSU for a case that is very different from the others who have been punished that severely. There is and has been a clear difference and intent, knowledge, and scope of the situation. It's pretty clear that your hatred for the university is clouding any logical thinking.

    My bad guys...you're right. OSU had just a "couple" self reported violations...not 375 or so in the last decade. I don't hate the university at all, but the NCAA is a joke and they continue to prove it over and over again.

    This post was edited by LaJollaLion on 12/20/2011 at 1:11 PM

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  • RWC5113 said...

    http://www.buckeyextra.com/content/stories/2011/12/20/ncaa-report.html If true, I think this is fair for the most part. On the light side but punishes Tressel the most, and rightfully so. But it definitely doesn't make the statement that "big bad" Emmert talked about early on. EDIT: After actually seeing the immense difference between OSU and USC... wow. Yeah not exactly the same, but if I were a Buckeye fan I'd be dancing in the streets.

    Interesting. I'm not going to believe it until I hear it out of the NCAA's mouth at 3:30 this afternoon.

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  • PSUjosh11 said...

    Interesting. I'm not going to believe it until I hear it out of the NCAA's mouth at 3:30 this afternoon.

    Feldman and others are tweeting it. Sounds legit to me.

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  • PSUjosh11 said...

    Interesting. I'm not going to believe it until I hear it out of the NCAA's mouth at 3:30 this afternoon.

    Pretty sure its legit, its viral.. 1 year bowl ban, 4 additional lost scholarships, 1 additional year probation to what OSU self imposed..

    JTNITTANY

  • But how can a school just point to one guy and say it's all his fault without a harsh punishment on the school for facilitating that behavior. Tressel was in charge of the players, smith in charge of tressel and gee above smith. You cannot just point to one guy and say it's all his fault and skate away virtually clean.

    blackshoes

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