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Official: Paterno didn't do enough to stop abuse

  • From the Associated Press: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/F/FBC_PENN_STATE_ABUSE?SITE=NYPLA&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

    HARRISBURG, Pa. (AP) -- Football coach Joe Paterno and other Penn State officials didn't do enough to try to stop suspected sexual abuse of children at the hands of a former assistant football coach, the state police commissioner said Monday.

    Paterno may have fulfilled his legal requirement to report suspected abuse by former assistant football coach Jerry Sandusky, state police Commissioner Frank Noonan said, "but somebody has to question about what I would consider the moral requirements for a human being that knows of sexual things that are taking place with a child."

    He added: "I think you have the moral responsibility, anyone. Not whether you're a football coach or a university president or the guy sweeping the building. I think you have a moral responsibility to call us."
    Paterno, who recently became the coach with the most wins in Division I football history, wasn't charged and the grand jury report didn't appear to implicate him in wrongdoing. He has called the criminal charges shocking and troubling.

    "If this is true we were all fooled, along with scores of professionals trained in such things, and we grieve for the victims and their families," he said in a statement Sunday.

    Pennsylvania Attorney General Linda Kelly said Paterno is not a target of the investigation into how the school handled the accusations. But she refused to say the same for university President Graham Spanier.

    "All I can say is again, I'm limited to what's contained in the presentment, and that this is an ongoing investigation," Kelly said.

    Noonan said the case went beyond football and the university.

    "It is a case about children who have had their innocence stolen from them, in a culture that did nothing to stop it or prevent it from happening to others," he said.

    Also Monday, two Penn State officials surrendered on charges that they failed to alert police to complaints that Sandusky had sexually abused eight boys. They are also charged with lying to a state grand jury investigating the former defensive coordinator.

    Senior Vice President Gary Schultz and Athletic Director Tim Curley both stepped down from their posts late Sunday, one day after the charges were announced.

    On Monday, they appeared in a Harrisburg courtroom, where a judge set bail at $75,000. They weren't required to enter pleas but they had to surrender their passports.

    Schultz, 62, and Curley, 57, are innocent and will seek to have the charges dismissed, their lawyers said. Curley's lawyer, Caroline Roberto, called the case weak while Schultz's lawyer, Tom Farrell, said the men did what they were supposed to do by informing their superiors of the accusations.

    Kelly and Noonan encouraged anyone who would accuse Sandusky of sexual assault to step forward and talk to police, with Kelly specifically asking that a child reportedly assaulted by Sandusky in view of a graduate student in 2002 to call detectives.

    When asked if it was possible that there were more victims, she said: "When you look at the totality of the circumstances and the number of victims that we have, I don't think it would be beyond the realm of possibility that there are other victims that exist here."

    Sandusky sexually abused eight boys over 15 years through his charity for at-risk youth, authorities charged.
    Once considered Paterno's heir apparent, Sandusky retired in 1999 but continued to use the school's facilities for his work with The Second Mile, a foundation he established to help at-risk kids. The charges against him cover the period from 1994 to 2009.

    Under Paterno's four-decades-and-counting stewardship, the Nittany Lions became a bedrock in the college game, and fans packed the stadium in State College, a campus town routinely ranked among America's best places to live and nicknamed Happy Valley. Paterno's teams were revered both for winning games - including two national championships - and largely steering clear of trouble.

    The allegations against Sandusky, who started The Second Mile in 1977, range from sexual advances to touching to oral and anal sex. The young men testified before the state grand jury that they were in their early teens when some of the abuse occurred; there is evidence even younger children may have been victimized.

    Sandusky's attorney Joe Amendola said his client has been aware of the accusations for about three years and has maintained his innocence.

    The grand jury report that lays out the accusations against the three men cites the state's Child Protective Services Law, which requires immediate reporting by doctors, nurses, school administrators, teachers, day care workers, police and others.

    It appears neither Schultz nor Curley had direct contact with the boys Sandusky is accused of abusing.

    Schultz's lawyer said his client was not among those required by law to report suspected abuse. He also argued that the two-year statute of limitations on the summary offense has expired.

    Spanier, Penn State's president, called the allegations "troubling" but predicted the school officials would be exonerated.

    Kelly, the attorney general, said Penn State officials never made any attempt to identify the child that the grad assistant saw in the showers with Sandusky in 2002.

    "Today as we stand here, we encourage that person who is now likely to be a young adult to contact investigators from the attorney general's office," she said. "This is an ongoing and active investigation. ... We are determined to quickly respond to any new witnesses or any additional information that may appear."

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  • "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing"

    FireJayPa

  • FireJayPa said...

    "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing"

    Well if that isn't one of the most apt quotes, I do not know what is.

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    shavisimo2

  • This guy clearly doesn't read this board. Joe did everything he could and should do. no

    Just ask appoo and a few others.

    This post was edited by sneakypete on 11/7/2011 at 3:32 PM

    Try to fathom the hypocrisy of a Government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured .but not prove they're a citizen

    sneakypete

  • sneakypete said...

    This guy clearly doesn't read this board. Joe did everything he could and should do. no

    Just ask appoo and a few others.

    The same people that sat here for years and said that Joe has earned the power to leave when ever he wanted to leave are now saying he didn't have the power to call the cops on his own and didn't have the power take the keys from Sandusky to keep him out of the football facilities.

    lion95

  • lion95 said...

    The same people that sat here for years and said that Joe has earned the power to leave when ever he wanted to leave are now saying he didn't have the power to call the cops on his own and didn't have the power take the keys from Sandusky to keep him out of the football facilities.

    They took Sandusky's keys. However, it didn't matter when they were willing to open the front door for him whenever he showed up.

    Try to fathom the hypocrisy of a Government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured .but not prove they're a citizen

    sneakypete

  • Success with Legality. Paterno is a fraud.

    lion95

  • lion95 said...

    Success with Legality. Paterno is a fraud.

    He was a fraud before this. This is just the final straw.

    He defended drinking and driving (see Johnson)
    He defended sexual assault (see Nichols from FSU)
    He didn't go the extra mile to keep children safe

    So much for that grand experiment and success with honor. How can he look himself in the mirror?

    FireJayPa

  • lion95 said...

    The same people that sat here for years and said that Joe has earned the power to leave when ever he wanted to leave are now saying he didn't have the power to call the cops on his own and didn't have the power take the keys from Sandusky to keep him out of the football facilities.

    Not ALL the same people. I'm disgusted and heartbroken, but Joe has to go. Part of me can see them letting him finish the season, but then I think about all the kids he could have protected and instead did nothing. It's just unacceptable and the right thing to do would be to resign...but I no longer expect "the right thing."

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    PSUTimm

  • Itzsessil said...

    It's a waste of your time Paterno did it all.

    Sigh,

    NOBODY, not one person can you find that thinks/believes Paterno did it all.

    Some of us just see through the charade of Curly and/or Spanier acting on their own and without Joe knowing.

    Show me a poster who thinks Joe did it all and I will condemn that opinion.

    You think Paterno is guilt free, that's where we differ.

    Try to fathom the hypocrisy of a Government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured .but not prove they're a citizen

    sneakypete

  • Go read all of your rhetoric for the last 3 days. He orchestrated this whole thing, you insinuate it yourself in every post you make.

    I reserve judgement because I don't know the truth.

    Itzsessil

  • With everything still in doubt and awaiting a full and final investigation I find it interesting that everyone is looking to blame people when as of right now there is only one person that should be clearly blamed... Jerry Sandusky.
    If even a smidgen of the grand jury testimony is true then he is a very sick individual and will get what he deserves eventually.

    But what unnerves me is that we have a society of people that would see a person getting beaten senseless on the streets and keep walking because that isn't their problem, yet we have so many people on the internet, media, etc. that are so quick to condemn those that might have had an opportunity to bring this issue to an end. That's the easy part. I can very easily say that if I was McQueary I would have broken Sandusky in two and personally walked him to the local precinct. But look at how many times he was witnessed and no one ever did anything. This case is more unique than most because you have a very respected, iconic individual whose flaws were invisible to many yet we look back and say what we always say... Shouldn't someone have blown the whistle there, there, and there.

    This is a very sad situation for my prestigious university. I am in no way defending anyone of the many that may or may not have been able to curtail this whole sordid affair much earlier. I hope in the end after all the hurt and pain has initially washed over that lessons can be learned beyond just throwing harsh judgement out on the most recognizable or most powerful before they are allowed to explain or exonerate themselves.

    Again let me remind everyone that they have no idea what they would do when faced with any situation until they have been there and faced it. Criticism is merited to a degree, and investigation and fact finding are essential, but until the gray is a little more distinguished in black and white I would temper the exaggerated opinions and focus scorn upon the accused perpetrator of these horrible acts.

    VinegarBased636

  • Itzsessil said...

    Go read all of your rhetoric for the last 3 days. He orchestrated this whole thing, you insinuate it yourself in every post you make.

    I reserve judgement because I don't know the truth.

    Nobody, including me, is saying Joe molested anyone. Thus me saying saying Joe isn't guilty of everything. You seem to be overlooking that part .......Yes, I think Joe knew of and participated in the cover up and I have never hid that.

    You haven't reserved judgment. You may think you have, but you have a judgment as clear as I do.

    Try to fathom the hypocrisy of a Government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured .but not prove they're a citizen

    sneakypete

  • No I haven't. I'm sure to some It looks like I'm defending Paterno, but in reality I'm defending the truth and due process. You just don't see that because it doesn't fit your agenda.

    Itzsessil

  • Itzsessil said...

    No I haven't. I'm sure to some It looks like I'm defending Paterno, but in reality I'm defending the truth and due process. You just don't see that because it doesn't fit your agenda.

    This. Let it play out and see what happens. Your defending due process to someone who has yet to be charged, may not be, but someone here has him on trial and already convicted him. Anyone not doing the same or somehow waiting for real facts to come out is excusing Joe's behavior. I don't know that Joe handled this right at all and I'm plenty skeptical right now, but I won't call out people for not rushing to judgement on him. There is a real criminal here...at least one and real victims. Pete's more mad at Joe and those not calling for his head than the real criminal in this case...kind of sad in it's own way. Wait and see does not equal Joe's completely innocent of any wrong doing. Like I said...a few here would have been kings in Salem back in the day.

    This post was edited by LaJollaLion on 11/7/2011 at 6:12 PM

    "One man didn't build this program and one man sure as hell cannot tear it down."

    LaJollaLion

  • Best thing for your great university is to stand up and immediately fire/force to resign all involved including Paterno and the university president. This alone would send the right message. Anything else would cast black cloud over the university forever. Ask yourself, is this what you want Penn State known for?

    DHoward

  • Itzsessil said...

    No I haven't. I'm sure to some It looks like I'm defending Paterno, but in reality I'm defending the truth and due process. You just don't see that because it doesn't fit your agenda.

    So you claim to not know the truth but then claim to be defending it. Interesting. I expet that from someone like Lajolla, but not you.

    You, me, seltz, or anyone else has some sort of agenda when they come to boards. Nobody, not even you no matter how much you think you do, comes open minded and agenda free. There are plenty of people who read your posts who feel you have an agenda, same as mine. People throw around agenda to dismiss others thoughts/opinions. I have too, so before you blame me for that, I admit it. Your not the open minded, agenda free, truth only poster you believe yourself to be.

    Try to fathom the hypocrisy of a Government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured .but not prove they're a citizen

    sneakypete

  • I'm defending the fact than NONE of us KNOW the TRUTH. What is hard to understand?

    Itzsessil

  • What do you think there is left to know? Joe admits that he was told in 02 what happened, and after notifying the AD, he went back to business as usual. Thats HIS story and it's an embarrassing one.

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    PSUTimm

  • For me the main thing I want to know is what did MM tell Joe the first time around.

    Itzsessil

  • Itzsessil said...

    For me the main thing I want to know is what did MM tell Joe the first time around.

    Fair enough... I asked a similar question here yesterday and got the quote from the GJ statement. If THAT is what MM saw, I refuse to believe that he pussyfooted around it when telling Joe. However you are correct, we don't "know."
    p.s. thanks for the down vote.

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  • sneakypete said...

    So you claim to not know the truth but then claim to be defending it. Interesting. I expet that from someone like Lajolla, but not you.

    You, me, seltz, or anyone else has some sort of agenda when they come to boards. Nobody, not even you no matter how much you think you do, comes open minded and agenda free. There are plenty of people who read your posts who feel you have an agenda, same as mine. People throw around agenda to dismiss others thoughts/opinions. I have too, so before you blame me for that, I admit it. Your not the open minded, agenda free, truth only poster you believe yourself to be.

    This is quite literally the dumbest thing I've ever read. He's defending HAVING AN OPPORTUNITY TO FIND THE TRUTH, not claiming he knows it. You and Trock and your ilk are just ridiculous. Is Joe somehow liable? We'll find out. But it doesn't take an agenda to want the truth. It DOES take an agenda to declare guilty a man the prosecution expressly said it was not pursuing claims against.

    And my "agenda" in coming to boards is to get PSU news, not hear some whiny b!tch cry because he isn't getting what he wants. You're getting what you want now - hopefully you're enjoying it.

    psume06

  • PSUTimm said...

    Fair enough... I asked a similar question here yesterday and got the quote from the GJ statement. If THAT is what MM saw, I refuse to believe that he pussyfooted around it when telling Joe. However you are correct, we don't "know." p.s. thanks for the down vote.

    It wasn't me, but I'll upvote this post. Joe says the story MM gave him originally wasn't as descriptive as what MM told the grand jury, so if thats the case(which I don't know) then I think less blame should be put in joe and more should shift to MM.

    Itzsessil

  • psume06 said...

    This is quite literally the dumbest thing I've ever read. He's defending HAVING AN OPPORTUNITY TO FIND THE TRUTH, not claiming he knows it. You and Trock and your ilk are just ridiculous. Is Joe somehow liable? We'll find out. But it doesn't take an agenda to want the truth. It DOES take an agenda to declare guilty a man the prosecution expressly said it was not pursuing claims against.

    And my "agenda" in coming to boards is to get PSU news, not hear some whiny b!tch cry because he isn't getting what he wants. You're getting what you want now - hopefully you're enjoying it.

    blah

    Try to fathom the hypocrisy of a Government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured .but not prove they're a citizen

    sneakypete

  • Itzsessil said...

    It wasn't me, but I'll upvote this post. Joe says the story MM gave him originally wasn't as descriptive as what MM told the grand jury, so if thats the case(which I don't know) then I think less blame should be put in joe and more should shift to MM.

    You raise good points Itz. No matter what, they all dropped the ball. Where was it dropped first and how come nobody picked it up....legit questions that need to be answered. I just don't see anyone up there keeping their jobs to be honest. I think the BOT will have to error on the side of caution and clean house ASAP....whether or not someone was legally right or wrong. There is no good outcome for Joe or the school here and I'll certainly understand the resignation/firing when and if it does occur. The questions you raise are valid, but I don't see anyone left standing by the time they actually get answered. This case may not even go to trial with Joe living as they are still trying to get victims to come forward. The whole thing is just f----d up ...plain and simple. Your posts have been spot on and you haven't once excused Joe.

    "One man didn't build this program and one man sure as hell cannot tear it down."

    LaJollaLion