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    PSUfan28

  • Being a Liverpool fan is tough. We beat a top 5 team in the Spurs, but are now losing to a lesser team.

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  • CKpsu5220 said...

    Being a Liverpool fan is tough. We beat a top 5 team in the Spurs, but are now losing to a lesser team.

    What Everton's done all year.

    Everton has wins against City, United, and Spurs (only game thus far) this year with a draw in the only game against Arsenal and a tie in the other City game.

    Edit- And Southampton has played the top half of the table very competitively recently.

    This post was edited by PSUfan28 on 3/16/2013 at 11:41 AM

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  • So we need at least three points from our next round of qualifiers, which includes a game against Mexico, and we throw a roster out there with no Howard, Donovan, or Boca.

    To say I'm less than optimistic would be an understatement. We HAVE to pull one of these qualifiers out for three points, and there's no chance that happens against Mexico with our b-team on the field.

    Apparently JK didn't select Boca for the roster because he hasn't been playing much for his club team in Spain. To me, this is stupid. Boca is a leader, and our only defenseman with any sort of experience on the back line. He's used to tough situations, he's been there before. Why not bring him in, and sit him on the bench in case of injury to Cameron or Gonzo? At the very least he could provide a level-head in the locker room and give advice to a back like that has been awful without him in it.

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  • Interesting article by SN.

    I like JK, and think his vision is what American soccer needs to take that next step, but apparently things aren't swell in the locker room.

    This post was edited by Texas Lion on 3/20/2013 at 11:33 AM

    Friendly fire: U.S. coach Jurgen Klinsmann’s methods, leadership, acumen in question - SOCCER - Sporting News

    http://aol.sportingnews.com/soccer/story/2013-03-19/jurgen-klinsmann-us-mens-soccer-coach-national-team-usa-american-world-cup-2013

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  • Texas Lion said...

    Interesting article by SN.

    I like JK, and think his vision is what American soccer needs to take that next step, but apparently things aren't swell in the locker room.

    Just got done reading that article. If the locker room dynamic is as bad as that article makes it seem, there is no way they make the World Cup

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    roadzy33

  • Yeah things aren't looking good right now.

    Our defense isn't up to snuff for a WC team anyway, and we have shown we can't score enough goals to get away with it. We don't score many goals period, really.

    I didn't realize Jozy was having the year that he was in Europe though. 25 goals is pretty respectable.

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  • Texas Lion said...

    Yeah things aren't looking good right now.

    Our defense isn't up to snuff for a WC team anyway, and we have shown we can't score enough goals to get away with it. We don't score many goals period, really.

    I didn't realize Jozy was having the year that he was in Europe though. 25 goals is pretty respectable.

    Yeah, Jozy's having a great year and will move to either Italy or back to England this summer, we just need to translate that to the USMNT.

    As for tomorrow, we'll be fine. We should have the firepower in the midfield and up front to keep the pressure off our outside backs, and to get a few goals. Also, one of their starting forwards went down with a knee injury in training, so that should help out a little. Friedel's had a career year at Aston Villa with a worse backline than what we'll put out there, so I don't think we'll see a big drop-off from what Timmy would do.

    Bottom line, if we can't beat Costa Rica at home, we probably don't deserve to qualify.

    SteelLion92

  • SteelLion92 said...

    Yeah, Jozy's having a great year and will move to either Italy or back to England this summer, we just need to translate that to the USMNT.

    As for tomorrow, we'll be fine. We should have the firepower in the midfield and up front to keep the pressure off our outside backs, and to get a few goals. Also, one of their starting forwards went down with a knee injury in training, so that should help out a little. Friedel's had a career year at Aston Villa with a worse backline than what we'll put out there, so I don't think we'll see a big drop-off from what Timmy would do.

    Bottom line, if we can't beat Costa Rica at home, we probably don't deserve to qualify.

    I think you mean Guzan, but you are correct. He's had a very good year despite sitting behind a back line that may be the worst in Europe.

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    tdiddy

  • tdiddy said...

    I think you mean Guzan, but you are correct. He's had a very good year despite sitting behind a back line that may be the worst in Europe.

    Ya, I meant, Guzan, my bad. Too many US keepers named Brad lol.

    SteelLion92

  • SteelLion92 said...

    Yeah, Jozy's having a great year and will move to either Italy or back to England this summer, we just need to translate that to the USMNT.

    As for tomorrow, we'll be fine. We should have the firepower in the midfield and up front to keep the pressure off our outside backs, and to get a few goals. Also, one of their starting forwards went down with a knee injury in training, so that should help out a little. Friedel's had a career year at Aston Villa with a worse backline than what we'll put out there, so I don't think we'll see a big drop-off from what Timmy would do.

    Bottom line, if we can't beat Costa Rica at home, we probably don't deserve to qualify.

    Disagree on Jozy times 100000. He needs to stay right where he is and log consistent minutes. This is the first time he's been comfortable in a while and he has the support of his club's management and coach. Why mess that up? The last thing he needs is to be uprooted after one year and go to a team that won't appreciate him or try to develop him and sticks him on the bench. He'll be just another American on an English team that doesn't get minutes. JMO, but this is the best thing that's happened to Jozy in his club career. Stay there Jozy. Stay. At least another year.

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    Disagree on Jozy times 100000. He needs to stay right where he is and log consistent minutes. This is the first time he's been comfortable in a while and he has the support of his club's management and coach. Why mess that up? The last thing he needs is to be uprooted after one year and go to a team that won't appreciate him or try to develop him and sticks him on the bench. He'll be just another American on an English team that doesn't get minutes. JMO, but this is the best thing that's happened to Jozy in his club career. Stay there Jozy. Stay. At least another year.

    I understand where you're coming from with his club history, but you have to look from the club's perspective as well. They're in a relegation battle at the moment, and you want to shed salary if you're going down a division. After spending two years in Holland, he really has nothing left to prove, especially for a struggling squad. Jozy's value right now is through the roof, so this is when you sell. If he moves over the summer, he'll have a chance to fight for minutes instead of rotting on the bench. I'm not saying he'd move to a top club, but more of a mid-level club (Fiorentina has been scouting him for a while). I see where you're coming from with your views, but they really can't afford to keep him, especially if they are relegated. I'd rather see him in Serie A than the BPL though.

    SteelLion92

  • SteelLion92 said...

    I understand where you're coming from with his club history, but you have to look from the club's perspective as well. They're in a relegation battle at the moment, and you want to shed salary if you're going down a division. After spending two years in Holland, he really has nothing left to prove, especially for a struggling squad. Jozy's value right now is through the roof, so this is when you sell. If he moves over the summer, he'll have a chance to fight for minutes instead of rotting on the bench. I'm not saying he'd move to a top club, but more of a mid-level club (Fiorentina has been scouting him for a while). I see where you're coming from with your views, but they really can't afford to keep him, especially if they are relegated. I'd rather see him in Serie A than the BPL though.

    Didn't know they were going to be in relegation... I'd agree with a mid level team where he can start and play big minutes. That makes sense...

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  • SteelLion92 said...

    Yeah, Jozy's having a great year and will move to either Italy or back to England this summer, we just need to translate that to the USMNT.

    As for tomorrow, we'll be fine. We should have the firepower in the midfield and up front to keep the pressure off our outside backs, and to get a few goals. Also, one of their starting forwards went down with a knee injury in training, so that should help out a little. Friedel's had a career year at Aston Villa with a worse backline than what we'll put out there, so I don't think we'll see a big drop-off from what Timmy would do.

    Bottom line, if we can't beat Costa Rica at home, we probably don't deserve to qualify.

    been corrected, nevermind.

    This post was edited by Texas Lion on 3/21/2013 at 8:17 PM

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  • SteelLion92 said...

    I understand where you're coming from with his club history, but you have to look from the club's perspective as well. They're in a relegation battle at the moment, and you want to shed salary if you're going down a division. After spending two years in Holland, he really has nothing left to prove, especially for a struggling squad. Jozy's value right now is through the roof, so this is when you sell. If he moves over the summer, he'll have a chance to fight for minutes instead of rotting on the bench. I'm not saying he'd move to a top club, but more of a mid-level club (Fiorentina has been scouting him for a while). I see where you're coming from with your views, but they really can't afford to keep him, especially if they are relegated. I'd rather see him in Serie A than the BPL though.

    It'd be interesting to see him playing for Fiorentia.

    Playing alongside a guy like Jovetic couldn't hurt.

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  • Texas Lion said...

    So we need at least three points from our next round of qualifiers, which includes a game against Mexico, and we throw a roster out there with no Howard, Donovan, or Boca.

    To say I'm less than optimistic would be an understatement. We HAVE to pull one of these qualifiers out for three points, and there's no chance that happens against Mexico with our b-team on the field.

    Apparently JK didn't select Boca for the roster because he hasn't been playing much for his club team in Spain. To me, this is stupid. Boca is a leader, and our only defenseman with any sort of experience on the back line. He's used to tough situations, he's been there before. Why not bring him in, and sit him on the bench in case of injury to Cameron or Gonzo? At the very least he could provide a level-head in the locker room and give advice to a back like that has been awful without him in it.

    Boca isn't that good anymore. I'd rather move forward with Cameron & Gonzalez. They need to play together to become better. And although it would be nice to have Boca in the locker room, I can also see where Jurgen is coming from. With Howard & Cherundolo out with injuries, Boca not being chosen, and Donovan possibly retiring...it's time to see who the new leaders are.

    I still remain optimistic, but tomorrow is a very important day for the USMNT's future.

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  • PK5 said...

    Boca isn't that good anymore. I'd rather move forward with Cameron & Gonzalez. They need to play together to become better. And although it would be nice to have Boca in the locker room, I can also see where Jurgen is coming from. With Howard & Cherundolo out with injuries, Boca not being chosen, and Donovan possibly retiring...it's time to see who the new leaders are.

    I still remain optimistic, but tomorrow is a very important day for the USMNT's future.

    Jurgen is definitely looking towards the future, he knows most of the old stars of the team are finished or at least on there way out. That may end up hurting us in the present, but its the right move for the future. We need to find the next group of guys who are going to star on this team.

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    MZizzle2

  • MZizzle2 said...

    Jurgen is definitely looking towards the future, he knows most of the old stars of the team are finished or at least on there way out. That may end up hurting us in the present, but its the right move for the future. We need to find the next group of guys who are going to star on this team.

    Agreed. A lot of older, sub par players are mad... But I don't care

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    rmj147

  • Damnnnnnn Israel almost beat Portugal. Portugal tied it in the 93rd minute or so. Ugh.

    blerms

  • The biggest mistake jozy ever made was going on loan to Hull. He wasted a year playing on a crap, unimaginative club in a tough league. In retrospect he should have gone to a lesser league on the continent where he could have developed on a player.

    What channel is the match on tonight? I'm having problems finding it listed.....

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    This post was edited by MDS99 on 3/22/2013 at 9:49 AM

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  • PK5 said...

    Boca isn't that good anymore. I'd rather move forward with Cameron & Gonzalez. They need to play together to become better. And although it would be nice to have Boca in the locker room, I can also see where Jurgen is coming from. With Howard & Cherundolo out with injuries, Boca not being chosen, and Donovan possibly retiring...it's time to see who the new leaders are.

    I still remain optimistic, but tomorrow is a very important day for the USMNT's future.

    Well that'd be fine if Cameron-Gonzo were somewhat competent, but they're not. A game that we HAVE to win is not the time to test some subpar players in a trial-by-fire type basis.

    To me it's the same in terms of leadership. The Hex isn't the time to screw with team chemistry, especially when we got off to such a poor start to begin with. I'd rather us qualify this year with the remnants of the old teams still playing, and figure out team chemistry after the Cup in friendlies and things like that.

    EDIT: And if JK is going to take out all the captains and older leadership, at least give some consistency to the younger guys so they can get some familiarity with each other. 24 different lineups in 24 matches as the head man is not something that helps foster growth or develop leadership. Guys have no idea what will come the morning of the game.

    It's as if he does this purposefully to make them uncomfortable. That's part of being a professional I suppose, but these are all younger, inexperienced professional players. To reasonably expect any performance other than inadequate is unrealistic for this kind of turnover and inconsistency from upstairs. JK can be fired, so why not put the best product out on the field, limp into the WC, then figure this out when the stakes aren't as high?

    This post was edited by Texas Lion on 3/22/2013 at 1:26 PM

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  • rmj147 said...

    Agreed. A lot of older, sub par players are mad... But I don't care

    Now we get to see the younger, even more subpar players find their footing. Yippee. biggrin

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  • MDS99 said...

    The biggest mistake jozy ever made was going on loan to Hull. He wasted a year playing on a crap, unimaginative club in a tough league. In retrospect he should have gone to a lesser league on the continent where he could have developed on a player.

    What channel is the match on tonight? I'm having problems finding it listed.....

    ESPN at 10.

    I'll be at a formal, so I'll be checking here for updates as long as I can before losing the ability to read.

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  • Texas Lion said...

    Now we get to see the younger, even more subpar players find their footing. Yippee. biggrin

    On the LB and RB positions, yeah I'd agree. But everyone is hurt (Johnson and Chandler will be just fine when they get healthy- both are young and studly, but the back line just needs minutes together... That won't happen until both are healthy)... Gonzalez is going to be a monster. He has all the tools. And I hope Shea gets PT... I am just happy there is no Gooch. I wouldn't call younger players that haven't done anything sub par. That's what moments like this are for... For them to PROVE themselves.

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