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  • Another note...both Barca and RM are interested in Ivanovic. RM prepared to offer L15mil. CFC wants L23mil. Sounds like he'll be heading somewhere. I'd be sad to see him leave, but he'll see first team action at CB in either of those spots...which isn't guaranteed at CFC.

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  • "Chelsea will pay a fee of around €40 million (£35.3 million) to Lille, with Hazard having demanded wages of £4.6 million a year net of tax, so around £9  million a year for his new employer. That averages out at £170,000 a week.

    In addition his agent, John Bico, who has conducted an aggressive auction has made it clear that he wants a fee of £6 million.

    If all the demands are met and with Hazard expected to agree a five-year deal, it means the overall cost of the signing, fees and contract will amount to around £78 million which, even by Chelsea standards, is a substantial investment."

    Chelsea's rebuilding grows with £78m Eden Hazard signing

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/chelsea/9295242/Chelseas-rebuilding-grows-with-78m-Eden-Hazard-signing.html

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    Hesel

  • I really do think that leagues should enforce some kind of salary cap, or limit signings. A league like La Liga will always be Barca and Madrid. Occasionally there might be a down year for one of them and some team sneaks into the top two. Teams like City, Chelsea etc can just buy players up. City was also irrelevant for like its whole history and now some rich arab turns it into this juggernaut. This was just my, "I can't sleep" rant.

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  • He will be a sub as Serbian Olic is gone to Wolfsburg. Also, Bayern has a rep to sign players to keep them off competitors rosters, this move hurts Werder, but I think they recover. Pizzaro is a great forward, like Drogba has a nose for the net, just not on same level.

    This post was edited by tdiddy on 5/31/2012 at 7:16 AM

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  • The idea has been batted around in Eufa circles, one proposal was to limit the number of international players to 5 per team, but that would be difficult with the Euro zone work rules. It would encourage development of young players and allow parity in the inner country leagues. While interesting, does not appear to have much legs.

    German teams are restricted to being in the black and can not over spend like their English and Spanish counterparts. Hence, only one real giant in Bayern.

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  • locopsu said...

    The idea has been batted around in Eufa circles, one proposal was to limit the number of international players to 5 per team, but that would be difficult with the Euro zone work rules. It would encourage development of young players and allow parity in the inner country leagues. While interesting, does not appear to have much legs.

    German teams are restricted to being in the black and can not over spend like their English and Spanish counterparts. Hence, only one real giant in Bayern.

    That would effectively kill the appeal of the EPL. Watching 20 teams with 85% English players would be DREADFUL.

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  • Hesel said...

    "Chelsea will pay a fee of around €40 million (£35.3 million) to Lille, with Hazard having demanded wages of £4.6 million a year net of tax, so around £9  million a year for his new employer. That averages out at £170,000 a week.

    In addition his agent, John Bico, who has conducted an aggressive auction has made it clear that he wants a fee of £6 million.

    If all the demands are met and with Hazard expected to agree a five-year deal, it means the overall cost of the signing, fees and contract will amount to around £78 million which, even by Chelsea standards, is a substantial investment."

    Their math is wrong. If a five year deal, total price would be around L86mil. Anyways, I've read that the agreed transfer price was L32mil, which is spread out over the life of his contract...so it's L6.4mil/yr. The agent fee can be split as well. His annual number against FFP will be in the L17mil range, which is enormous. Frankly, at first glance, I'm not a huge fan of this deal. This kid's upside is limitless, but that's a hefty price tag for an unproven peripheral player. I've also been quite disgusted at his public handling of the decision process. I hope that he becomes a great player for the club, but I'd also appreciate it if he and his father lay low for a little while now that this process is completed.

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  • tdiddy said...

    That would effectively kill the appeal of the EPL. Watching 20 teams with 85% English players would be DREADFUL.

    OK maybe it kills the EPL as we see it today, the idea is to develop better talent in your country. Not sure what the system is like in England, but in Germany and Spain they seem to have developed a lot of good young talent. I think England could do the same, just need a push. I know a salary cap has been discussed for the EPL and Eufa, how it would work I have no idea. The huge bankrupt team in the EPL is not good, something needs to change.

    This post was edited by tdiddy on 5/31/2012 at 7:17 AM

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  • locopsu said...

    OK maybe it kills the EPL as we see it today, the idea is to develop better talent in your country. Not sure what the system is like in England, but in Germany and Spain they seem to have developed a lot of good young talent. I think England could do the same, just need a push. I know a salary cap has been discussed for the EPL and Eufa, how it would work I have no idea. The huge bankrupt team in the EPL is not good, something needs to change.

    Who is bankrupt in the EPL? Rangers are bankrupt, but that's in Scotland. Aston Villa are in some trouble. But, the big clubs either have wealthy benefactors backing their purchases or enormous revenue streams to counteract the severity of the debt. I agree that all football clubs should be more financially prudent, but Italian football is in much worse condition than England. The two Spanish giants are also in a world of debt (specifically Barcelona) despite jaded media profit sharing and producing more quantity of home-grown talent. The remainder of La Liga (minus Malaga) couldn't even afford to pay their players at the beginning of last season. Yes, German clubs have been successful in prudence and development, but they are unique in that circumstance. Italy is mired in debt, decaying stadiums, aging icons on their last legs, and match fixing. They're also struggling to properly develop a new generation of talent. Spain is stuck with uneven dividend distribution and an enforced caste system with only two parties invited to the head of the table. Meanwhile, the rest of the league is struggling to keep its doors open. England is the billionaire's club, and Roman and the Sheikh are battling it out to prove whose wallet is thicker. Everyone else is trying to seduce a billionaire willing to splurge.

    It's sick stuff, yet, we watch anyways. And I'm not sure how many would if it was about domestic league integrity and actually developing young talent.

    This post was edited by tdiddy on 5/31/2012 at 7:16 AM

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  • Can anyone explain to me the UEFA fair play rules that are now in effect? Read an article that said City would have trouble this transfer market season if they go wild like last. While on topic of youth systems yesterday in England has voted that the U-12 is going to a 9 player shorter field system for better play. This is something they felt may become the standard elsewhere.

    This post has been edited 3 times, most recently by NittanyEagles on 5/29/2012 at 9:02 AM

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  • NittanyEagles said...

    Can anyone explain to me the UEFA fair play rules that are now in effect? Read an article that said City would have trouble this transfer market season if they go wild like last. While on topic of youth systems yesterday in England has voted that the U-12 is going to a 9 player shorter field system for better play. This is something they felt may become the standard elsewhere.

    UEFA FFP seeks to establish financial accountability with its football clubs. It is also attempting to discourage newly acquired clubs from massive sudden influxes of cash to distort the transfer market. The goal is to move clubs toward 'breaking even' by 2017-18 through a series of graduated debt allowances. If teams exceed the allowances, they are in danger of being restricted from CL and EL participation.

    The program officially starts in January 2013, so clubs are getting their financial houses in order now. IIRC, the allowable debt ratio in 2013 is -L45mil. It shrinks every year until there is only a -L5mil threshold by 2017-18. However, there are several exceptions from a team's P&L sheet which do not count under FFP. The exceptions are too detailed to mention, but they include things like wages/fees from player contracts signed prior to 2010 as well as reinvestments into community development. For instance, CFC posted a L78mil loss in 2011, yet their FFP number was only -L8mil after exceptions and one time expenses.

    Due to City's wage scale with newly signed contracts, they are technically in danger of exceeding the FFP guideline by 2013. However, there is also the stipulation that a club's situation will be reconsidered if a 'wealthy benefactor' is available to cover the debt. In other words, this program does much more to reinforce the existing caste system than actually even the playing field. The CFC's, City's, PSG's, Anzhi's, and Malaga's of the world...who influxed cash prior to FFP...will not be duplicated after the rules are fully enforced. Big clubs will stay big. It will be virtually impossible for small clubs to become big. That's what UEFA wants.

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  • tdiddy said...

    UEFA FFP seeks to establish financial accountability with its football clubs. It is also attempting to discourage newly acquired clubs from massive sudden influxes of cash to distort the transfer market. The goal is to move clubs toward 'breaking even' by 2017-18 through a series of graduated debt allowances. If teams exceed the allowances, they are in danger of being restricted from CL and EL participation.

    The program officially starts in January 2013, so clubs are getting their financial houses in order now. IIRC, the allowable debt ratio in 2013 is -L45mil. It shrinks every year until there is only a -L5mil threshold by 2017-18. However, there are several exceptions from a team's P&L sheet which do not count under FFP. The exceptions are too detailed to mention, but they include things like wages/fees from player contracts signed prior to 2010 as well as reinvestments into community development. For instance, CFC posted a L78mil loss in 2011, yet their FFP number was only -L8mil after exceptions and one time expenses.

    Due to City's wage scale with newly signed contracts, they are technically in danger of exceeding the FFP guideline by 2013. However, there is also the stipulation that a club's situation will be reconsidered if a 'wealthy benefactor' is available to cover the debt. In other words, this program does much more to reinforce the existing caste system than actually even the playing field. The CFC's, City's, PSG's, Anzhi's, and Malaga's of the world...who influxed cash prior to FFP...will not be duplicated after the rules are fully enforced. Big clubs will stay big. It will be virtually impossible for small clubs to become big. That's what UEFA wants.

    Thanks for the explanation. A reminder, I caught myself to try to keep post non-VIP.

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    NittanyEagles

  • tdiddy said...

    UEFA FFP seeks to establish financial accountability with its football clubs. It is also attempting to discourage newly acquired clubs from massive sudden influxes of cash to distort the transfer market. The goal is to move clubs toward 'breaking even' by 2017-18 through a series of graduated debt allowances. If teams exceed the allowances, they are in danger of being restricted from CL and EL participation.

    The program officially starts in January 2013, so clubs are getting their financial houses in order now. IIRC, the allowable debt ratio in 2013 is -L45mil. It shrinks every year until there is only a -L5mil threshold by 2017-18. However, there are several exceptions from a team's P&L sheet which do not count under FFP. The exceptions are too detailed to mention, but they include things like wages/fees from player contracts signed prior to 2010 as well as reinvestments into community development. For instance, CFC posted a L78mil loss in 2011, yet their FFP number was only -L8mil after exceptions and one time expenses.

    Due to City's wage scale with newly signed contracts, they are technically in danger of exceeding the FFP guideline by 2013. However, there is also the stipulation that a club's situation will be reconsidered if a 'wealthy benefactor' is available to cover the debt. In other words, this program does much more to reinforce the existing caste system than actually even the playing field. The CFC's, City's, PSG's, Anzhi's, and Malaga's of the world...who influxed cash prior to FFP...will not be duplicated after the rules are fully enforced. Big clubs will stay big. It will be virtually impossible for small clubs to become big. That's what UEFA wants.

    sounds dodgy to me, as for Uefa can not mention a more corrupt organization. I can understand the wealthy benefactor to an extent ie Hoffenheim in BL, but I enjoy having parity in NFL, thought same would be good for Euro futboll. Hard to manage with so many clubs near bankruptcy, ie Spain and Italy. I am not a huge EPL fan and the idea of purchasing a team, I root for the underdog except Penn State and my home town teams. I understand your point, just do not think it is healthy for the game, the idea of financially ruined clubs like Barca and Real winning, is crazy, just supports our societal norms of spending more than we make.

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    locopsu

  • I never said it was healthy, but it's reality. It's not healthy at all. Right now, European football (outside Germany) is a lottery system. You either have an enormous established revenue stream due to historical pedigree, cover from your Federal Government, or a billionaire underwriter. Everyone else loses. We're at the point now where the 3rd largest team in Spain (Valencia) and 2nd largest team in Italy (Milan) are facing significant financial worries. UEFA needs to either consider a full-time Big Club Coalition League or risk the Domestic League system unraveling soon.

    This post was edited by tdiddy on 5/31/2012 at 7:17 AM

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  • tdiddy said...

    Who is bankrupt in the EPL? Rangers are bankrupt, but that's in Scotland. Aston Villa are in some trouble. But, the big clubs either have wealthy benefactors backing their purchases or enormous revenue streams to counteract the severity of the debt. I agree that all football clubs should be more financially prudent, but Italian football is in much worse condition than England. The two Spanish giants are also in a world of debt (specifically Barcelona) despite jaded media profit sharing and producing more quantity of home-grown talent. The remainder of La Liga (minus Malaga) couldn't even afford to pay their players at the beginning of last season. Yes, German clubs have been successful in prudence and development, but they are unique in that circumstance. Italy is mired in debt, decaying stadiums, aging icons on their last legs, and match fixing. They're also struggling to properly develop a new generation of talent. Spain is stuck with uneven dividend distribution and an enforced caste system with only two parties invited to the head of the table. Meanwhile, the rest of the league is struggling to keep its doors open. England is the billionaire's club, and Roman and the Sheikh are battling it out to prove whose wallet is thicker. Everyone else is trying to seduce a billionaire willing to splurge.

    It's sick stuff, yet, we watch anyways. And I'm not sure how many would if it was about domestic league integrity and actually developing young talent.

    Correct, Germany is not the norm. Germany has the benefit of bordering countries who have a wealth of talent so they can poach them and also they are a true melting pot. Look at the national team and you will see players who have fathers and mothers from different countries who have moved/immigrated to Germany. Or in my case lived their because of the military.

    This post was edited by tdiddy on 5/31/2012 at 7:18 AM

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  • This is what I expect from Bayern!

    This post was edited by tdiddy on 5/31/2012 at 7:18 AM

    Agent offers Dzeko to Bayern Munich - Goal.com

    Goal.com can exclusively reveal that Manchester City striker Edin Dzeko has been offered to Bayern Munich by his agent

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  • I don't think we are selling him anytime soon!

    This post was edited by tdiddy on 5/31/2012 at 7:18 AM

    Why Man Utd, Barcelona are red hot for Bayern Munich starlet David Alaba | Transfers | tribalfootball.com

    http://www.tribalfootball.com/articles/why-man-utd-barcelona-are-red-hot-bayern-munich-starlet-david-alaba-3204551

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  • Colorado Lion said...

    I don't think we are selling him anytime soon!

    He is one of my favorite Bayern players, high praise from a fan of ABB anyone but Bayern in Bundesliga play, I do support them in Champions League as they have best shot from Germany to go far. Great speed on the wing from his defensive position, but could play multiple positions.

    This post was edited by tdiddy on 5/31/2012 at 7:19 AM

    locopsu

  • They also have a huge fan base for even the borderline teams in the first division, where as in Switzerland they have minimal support for even the biggest teams like FC Basel (32k stadium rarely sold out).

    This post was edited by tdiddy on 5/31/2012 at 7:19 AM

    locopsu

  • Now it appears (still a rumor) the new Liverpool manager will not be Roberto Martinez but instead Swansea manager Brendan Rodgers.

    This post was edited by tdiddy on 5/31/2012 at 7:20 AM

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    Hesel

  • Bad call and now Brazil is up 1-0.

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    HorshamHooligan

  • We have ourselves one howler of a ref tonight. Way to go FIFA.

    This post was edited by tdiddy on 5/31/2012 at 7:19 AM

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    tdiddy

  • Terrible defense on the corner kick.

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  • Gooch can't play center back. Bocanegra also gave the ball away too much. Last 20 minutes were great for the US. They really need to tighten up the back.

    This post was edited by tdiddy on 5/31/2012 at 7:20 AM

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  • LaJollaLion said...

    Gooch can't play center back. Bocanegra also gave the ball away too much. Last 20 minutes were great for the US. They really need to tighten up the back.

    The CB's struggled tonight for sure. But Fabian Johnson is a revelation at LB. The offensive progress is encouraging. Gomez put in a tremendous shift. He works far harder and surely looks more confident than Jozy. I'm still not a huge fan of Jose Torres, but he likely wouldn't be in our top 11. All in all, there were still a lot of positives. CB's are an ongoing issue. Perhaps Goodson will get more minutes in the WCQ's.

    This post was edited by tdiddy on 5/31/2012 at 7:21 AM

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