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  • appoo said...

    I think they could take Real Madrid to be honest. The Galacticos are a bit overrated. But no one is beating Barca when they play well until they break up Xavi and Iniesta. I now consider those two the best players in the world, after watching Messi struggle in the Copa. His goals are clearly a function of the freedom that;s granted to him by the central midfield pairing. When it's all said and done, I think we're going to look back and yes, be amazed by Messi, but will give greater credit to Xavi and Iniesta.

    I don't care who Utd purchases...so long as Barca has those 3, and especially those 2 controlling the flow of a match, they won't be better. If you cloned Pirlo, and paired the two clones together, that's about the closest I can think you can get.

    Messi and Ronaldo are cleary the two best players in the world. Xavi and Iniesta are both amazing players and definitely up there, but to say they are better than Ronaldo or Messi is crazy.

    I'm a die hard Manchester United fan too and just like you Sir Alex is a big reason for that.

    As far as them signing Sneijder and how they'd play, I see it like this:

    Premier League

    Fabio/Rafael---------------Ferdinand-----------------Vidic---------------------------------Evra

    Fletcher/Carrick-----------------Sneijder
    Nani/Valencia Young/Nani

    Rooney---------------Chicharito

    Europe

    Fabio/Rafael------------------Ferdinand---------------------Vidic----------------------------Evra

    Fletcher Carrick

    Valencia Sneijder Park

    Rooney

    I could also see him playing Rooney out on the left and play Chicharito up top.

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  • It's a pretty freakin loaded squad. Don't forget about Macheda, who I think will join the rotation upfront with Chicharito.

    They have a 2nd team that could conceivably qualify for the Champion's League.

    RB - Fabio/Rafael
    LB - Evra/DeLat
    CB - Rio/Phil Jones
    CB - Vidic/Johnny Evans
    DM - Carrick/Gibson
    CM - Fletcher/Giggs
    LM - Young/Park
    RM - Valencia/Nani
    AM - Rooney/Anderson
    CF - Chicharito/Macheda

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    appoo

  • Do you guys think Berbatov definitely gets unloaded before the season? Ive read PSG is very interested.

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  • appoo said...

    It's a pretty freakin loaded squad. Don't forget about Macheda, who I think will join the rotation upfront with Chicharito.

    They have a 2nd team that could conceivably qualify for the Champion's League.

    RB - Fabio/Rafael LB - Evra/DeLat CB - Rio/Phil Jones CB - Vidic/Johnny Evans DM - Carrick/Gibson CM - Fletcher/Giggs LM - Young/Park RM - Valencia/Nani AM - Rooney/Anderson CF - Chicharito/Macheda

    Yea the team is stacked. There is plenty of young talent and great experienced players as well, they really have the perfect mix.

    As far as Macheda is concerned there just isn't enough playing time for him. Berbatov, Chicharito, Rooney and Owen are all ahead of him so he isn't going to play much. He'll probably get loaned out again to somewhere in Italy and hopefully he can perform well there.

    As far Berbatov, I don't see us selling him. He wants to stay and quite frankly we need him. Two good strikers isn't enough with the amount of games we play. Sir Alex likes being able to have Berbatov, Rooney and Chicharito to choose from.

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  • Anyone else been watching Copa America? Its only broadcast in spanish by me but there have been some pretty exciting games and I usually have it on in the background. Now the quarter finals are getting underway, Argentina-Uraguay tomorrow should be an awesome match with big names. Its amazing how good Messi can be for Barca, but so underwhelming for his country, especially with all of the attacking talent he has around him in Di Maria, Higuain, Aguero, and Tevez. Just goes to show how the talented Barca midfield makes that much of a difference.

    Andrew Dzurita

  • Andrew Dzurita said...

    Anyone else been watching Copa America? Its only broadcast in spanish by me but there have been some pretty exciting games and I usually have it on in the background. Now the quarter finals are getting underway, Argentina-Uraguay tomorrow should be an awesome match with big names. Its amazing how good Messi can be for Barca, but so underwhelming for his country, especially with all of the attacking talent he has around him in Di Maria, Higuain, Aguero, and Tevez. Just goes to show how the talented Barca midfield makes that much of a difference.

    Yes I have. I don't care that it's in Spanish.

    Honestly, Tevez is a waste for Argentina. He weighs down the side and shouldn't be starting. Aguero is in good form and meshes better with Messi's style. Couple them with Higuain, and that's their best combo. One other plus for Argentina...Romero has had a good tourney in goal.

    I know they struggled until the last game, but I expect more fireworks from the Neymar/Pato duo in the knockout phase. I LOVE Patos game, and Neymar is the next big thing whenever he moves overseas. Santos has played really well for Brazil as well. Shoul be a fun week.

    In other news, it now appears as though Nike could step in to increase their licensing agreement with Sneijder to support the wage difference between he an ManU. Also, Jozy Altidore is headed to Holland.

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  • tdiddy said...

    Yes I have. I don't care that it's in Spanish.

    Honestly, Tevez is a waste for Argentina. He weighs down the side and shouldn't be starting. Aguero is in good form and meshes better with Messi's style. Couple them with Higuain, and that's their best combo. One other plus for Argentina...Romero has had a good tourney in goal.

    I know they struggled until the last game, but I expect more fireworks from the Neymar/Pato duo in the knockout phase. I LOVE Patos game, and Neymar is the next big thing whenever he moves overseas. Santos has played really well for Brazil as well. Shoul be a fun week.

    In other news, it now appears as though Nike could step in to increase their licensing agreement with Sneijder to support the wage difference between he an ManU. Also, Jozy Altidore is headed to Holland.

    Jozy to AZ is a great move. I just hope it's permanent and not a loan.

    My big worries for us soccer, beyond rebuilding our backline, is club situation for mike bradley, jozy, and Freddy adu

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  • tdiddy said...

    Also, Jozy Altidore is headed to Holland.

    Finally to a place where he will not be behind a more established striker going into the season. I know the Dutch league isn't the highest quality, but if he can start producing more consistently - he has averaged roughly a goal a season over the past three years - that can only help the USMNT cause. Best of luck to him this season.

    Andrew Dzurita

  • appoo said...

    Jozy to AZ is a great move. I just hope it's permanent and not a loan.

    My big worries for us soccer, beyond rebuilding our backline, is club situation for mike bradley, jozy, and Freddy adu

    Bradley got put in a poor situation at Villa, they had just signed a player who played his position and he couldn't break through the ranks. Not sure when his M'Gladbach contract is up but I can definitely see him going to either a better German team or an English team and contributing. With a fresh start for Jozy, you can only hope it will help him. With Adu, he really didn't do much on his 2nd Tier Turkish club, so IDK what to make of his two appearances during the Gold Cup. Hoping he can go back to a team in a top division somewhere in Europe, but either way he should be seeing regular time somewhere next season if he continues the form he showed during those two games.

    Andrew Dzurita

  • Andrew Dzurita said...

    Bradley got put in a poor situation at Villa, they had just signed a player who played his position and he couldn't break through the ranks. Not sure when his M'Gladbach contract is up but I can definitely see him going to either a better German team or an English team and contributing. With a fresh start for Jozy, you can only hope it will help him. With Adu, he really didn't do much on his 2nd Tier Turkish club, so IDK what to make of his two appearances during the Gold Cup. Hoping he can go back to a team in a top division somewhere in Europe, but either way he should be seeing regular time somewhere next season if he continues the form he showed during those two games.

    Agree with most of this except the freddy part. I saw a couple of his matches in turkey and he was pretty good. I was actually hoping he'd get called up for Gold cup based on his play there.

    His contract with Benfica is like a huge weight. They won't just cut him, and they demand loan teams pay his full salary. They also want a legit transfer fee.

    If he was on a free, I think there would be a lot of interest in him. Upper level clubs in holland, France as an example. I mean, hes better than sacha, jozy, Agudelo, Bedoya etc.

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    appoo

  • appoo said...

    Agree with most of this except the freddy part. I saw a couple of his matches in turkey and he was pretty good. I was actually hoping he'd get called up for Gold cup based on his play there.

    His contract with Benfica is like a huge weight. They won't just cut him, and they demand loan teams pay his full salary. They also want a legit transfer fee.

    If he was on a free, I think there would be a lot of interest in him. Upper level clubs in holland, France as an example. I mean, hes better than sacha, jozy, Agudelo, Bedoya etc.

    When is his contract up? I'd obviously like to see him succeed, being so young he can still factor into the USMNT plans for years to come if he continues to improve - which starts by getting consistent playing time on a decent team.

    Andrew Dzurita

  • Andrew Dzurita said...

    Bradley got put in a poor situation at Villa, they had just signed a player who played his position and he couldn't break through the ranks. Not sure when his M'Gladbach contract is up but I can definitely see him going to either a better German team or an English team and contributing. With a fresh start for Jozy, you can only hope it will help him. With Adu, he really didn't do much on his 2nd Tier Turkish club, so IDK what to make of his two appearances during the Gold Cup. Hoping he can go back to a team in a top division somewhere in Europe, but either way he should be seeing regular time somewhere next season if he continues the form he showed during those two games.

    FWIW, there was an article on Bradley a few days ago which mentioned interest from a few Italian clubs. His agent also stated in the article that Italy is the current preferred destination by both Bradley and his father.

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  • WOW Argentina and Brazil both knocked out in the quarterfinals, didn't see that one coming. Can't believe Peru made it through to the semis either, I didn't read anything that suggested they had the squad to do it. Its been a fun tournament, lacking in the goal department a bit but other than that a good watch.

    Andrew Dzurita

  • Andrew Dzurita said...

    WOW Argentina and Brazil both knocked out in the quarterfinals, didn't see that one coming. Can't believe Peru made it through to the semis either, I didn't read anything that suggested they had the squad to do it. Its been a fun tournament, lacking in the goal department a bit but other than that a good watch.

    You ready for a world where mexico is the best team in the western hemisphere?

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    appoo

  • appoo said...

    You ready for a world where mexico is the best team in the western hemisphere?

    No, I'm actually scared even thinking about it, but thats a legitimate possibility after seeing the traditional powers in CONMEBOL compete poorly of late. It would have been really interesting had the full-power Mexico squad competed in this year's Copa America - I know that wasn't ever a possibility - and see how they would have faired.

    Andrew Dzurita

  • Peru-Uruguay and Venezuela-Paraguay the semis of Copa America, who ya got? I don't see how Peru gets past Uruguay but I also didn't think they would get this far.

    I got the 'guays in the final. confused

    Andrew Dzurita

  • Andrew Dzurita said...

    Peru-Uruguay and Venezuela-Paraguay the semis of Copa America, who ya got? I don't see how Peru gets past Uruguay but I also didn't think they would get this far.

    I got the 'guays in the final.

    Uruguay/Paraguay would be a bloodbath final.

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  • Uruguay Paraguay for one of the ugliest finals in soccer history. Would either team try to posses past half way?

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    appoo

  • tdiddy said...

    Uruguay/Paraguay would be a bloodbath final.

    Well, let the bloodbath ensue. Should be a good one.

    Andrew Dzurita

  • Hopefully it's better than this 7-0 drubbing ManU is putting on Seattle. I hope the Union put up a little bit of a fight against Madrid on Saturday. They did beat Everton tonight.

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  • Anyone catch the Ronaldo goal from last weekend? Pretty sick.

    If winning was easy even losers would do it.

    Lang06

  • Alexis Sanchez to Barcelona. They're working hard to complete a deal for Fabregas too. Good luck world.

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  • tdiddy said...

    Alexis Sanchez to Barcelona. They're working hard to complete a deal for Fabregas too. Good luck world.

    Guess villarreal wasn't willing to deal rossi. Have fun on the bench Pedro.

    I don't actually know why they are bringing in Fabregas. They can't start all 3 of Xavi, Iniesta, and Cesc. Not unless they move Busquets, and his defensive work is integral to the tiki-taka. Imo they are better off waiting a couple years, when Xavi is ready to take a smaller role.

    That said, I like what man utd is doing. Against Barca, you accept you lose possession, by a large amount. By getting Ashley Young and hopefully Sneijder, they get a much better cutting edge on the fly. That team might be over of the few that actually forces barca to back off it's high pressure somewhat, because of it's pace and skill in thee open field, and ability to maintain possession under pressure. With all due respect to valencia, giggs, and Carrick - they were overwhelmed by that high pressure. Young and sneijder won't be.

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    appoo

  • appoo said...

    Guess villarreal wasn't willing to deal rossi. Have fun on the bench Pedro.

    I don't actually know why they are bringing in Fabregas. They can't start all 3 of Xavi, Iniesta, and Cesc. Not unless they move Busquets, and his defensive work is integral to the tiki-taka. Imo they are better off waiting a couple years, when Xavi is ready to take a smaller role.

    That said, I like what man utd is doing. Against Barca, you accept you lose possession, by a large amount. By getting Ashley Young and hopefully Sneijder, they get a much better cutting edge on the fly. That team might be over of the few that actually forces barca to back off it's high pressure somewhat, because of it's pace and skill in thee open field, and ability to maintain possession under pressure. With all due respect to valencia, giggs, and Carrick - they were overwhelmed by that high pressure. Young and sneijder won't be.

    ManU needs Sneijder. Their wings are very strong (I think Young will be a special player as a left wing), but central midfield of Giggs/Anderson/Carrick is lacking. RB, GK, and depth on their front line are also issues. Berbatov is becoming an issue, and if they're forced to dump him...are Macheda and Owen enough as the 2nd unit up front? They also need to get the Fabio/Rafael/Evans deal straightened out. They're weak on that side. Finally, is De Gea ready for big time Euro ball? He would be the least of those 3 issues IMO, but it's still a valid point. Bottom line...if they don't get Sneijder, they're in trouble in central midfield. If they do and De Gea pans out, they can compete with Barca. At the very least, they'd be heavy favorites in the EPL. Chelsea looks awful and needs major overhaul. Arsenal is dropping. City isn't cohesive. Spurs aren't good enough defensively. Liverpool, if Gerrard is fit, would be the main competition...not including any new transfers of course.

    BTW, I agree on Fabregas. I've always found him overrated, but he's a Barca academy guy and wildly popular with the other Spaniards on the team. I'm sure he'd manage to fit in well...even if it's as a super sub or fill in to spot Xavi more rest.

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  • tdiddy said...

    ManU needs Sneijder. Their wings are very strong (I think Young will be a special player as a left wing), but central midfield of Giggs/Anderson/Carrick is lacking. RB, GK, and depth on their front line are also issues. Berbatov is becoming an issue, and if they're forced to dump him...are Macheda and Owen enough as the 2nd unit up front? They also need to get the Fabio/Rafael/Evans deal straightened out. They're weak on that side. Finally, is De Gea ready for big time Euro ball? He would be the least of those 3 issues IMO, but it's still a valid point. Bottom line...if they don't get Sneijder, they're in trouble in central midfield. If they do and De Gea pans out, they can compete with Barca. At the very least, they'd be heavy favorites in the EPL. Chelsea looks awful and needs major overhaul. Arsenal is dropping. City isn't cohesive. Spurs aren't good enough defensively. Liverpool, if Gerrard is fit, would be the main competition...not including any new transfers of course.

    BTW, I agree on Fabregas. I've always found him overrated, but he's a Barca academy guy and wildly popular with the other Spaniards on the team. I'm sure he'd manage to fit in well...even if it's as a super sub or fill in to spot Xavi more rest.

    Disagree with you that RB is a problem for Man Utd. Rafael and Fabio are top class players and may be the two best young outside backs in the world. I don't see that as a weakness at all, it really is a strength to know you have two great players at the position.

    Also, De Gea is ready for the big time. He has an insane amount of talent and always played well in the big games at Atletico.

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