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  • shavisimo2 said...

    Ned came back to life and murdered everyone! panic

    After what happened in Qarth, why not. Yo Diddy, just watch it and then act surprised on Wednesday. I know, I'm a positive influence.

    Andrew Dzurita

  • Andrew Dzurita said...

    After what happened in Qarth, why not. Yo Diddy, just watch it and then act surprised on Wednesday. I know, I'm a positive influence.

    I'm a really bad actor. She'd see through that charade quite easily.

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    tdiddy

  • tdiddy said...

    I'm a really bad actor. She'd see through that charade quite easily.

    Give her a couple of these confused and throw in a few blanks and you're good to go.

    Andrew Dzurita

  • appoo said...

    The Tywin/Arya story as well as Dant turning into a bit of a whiny brat are starting to annoy me big time. IMO HBO is not doing a good job of portraying them. These two woman/girls are BRUTALLY strong in personality, and make some very ruthless decisions. Arya probably has more blood on her hands than any other Stark than Robb, and is the most ruthless in shedding it when it needs to be done.

    Dany...does not beg, nor is she very girly. She is VERY strong, and the show doesn't always show that.

    Said the exact same thing to my gf last night. Dany is not a petulant brat, and that's how they're portraying her...

    I'm not particularly impressed with some of the plot changes they are implementing - I understand why they are changing the Rob story and introducing this newly created woman - Rob is a bit of an under-developed character in the books, so it helps build his story - but how in the world they will tie it into future events remains to be seen. I actually like the Tywin/Arya plot, which wasn't anywhere close to this involved in the books, but agree that they are portraying her as far less deft and strong as she should be. The Dany story is p*ing me off...

    With regard to Ned fathering a bastard, I'll just say that even in the books the true nature of that event remains to be seen. The Starks (including Jon) remain above reproach for me, with one glaring and as-yet-to-be-revealed exception.

    And as for Theon - SLIGHT SPOILER ALERT, DO NOT READ IF YOU WANT TO BE COMPLETELY SURPRISED...
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    Suffice it to say that he more than gets what's coming to him, at the hands of Bastard of the Dreadfort. The sigil of the Flayed Man represents the cruelest family in the books...

    Nittanynole

  • For me, having not read the books, I'm forced to develop opinions of characters based on how they're portrayed on the show. With that said here are some questions for those who have book-developed opinions:

    With all of the "claims to the throne" is Rob Stark's claim the only one that the author wants the reader to support? Honestly, he has no legitimate claim, except that he's the King-in-the-North. So his only real claim is for a bifurcated kingdom.

    Or are there others who you can root for in the books and it's all just personal opinion? Certainly there are few characters, as has been mentioned, that are above all reproach. But you can still root for characters that live in the gray area too and many people do....

    Personally, I like Rob, the Imp, and Dany--any of those three who "come out on top" would be fine with me.

    Arya is my favorite character. But I really want to see Dany get her dragon back and develop into a realistic threat to retake the Iron Throne.

    In my perfect world, the Imp would cede the North to Rob Stark and take the South/Kings landing from the current b*tch-a$$ king. Then, just when it seemed like there would be peace again, Dany and her dragons would come back to claim the whole kingdom under her rightful claim.

    But I fear that Stanus, Tywin and the Greyjoy's (spelling?) will have a lot to say about all of this.

    And the woman in red is a wildcard.

    Finally, the North (i.e. north of the Wall) where the Wildlings live is TRUE wildcard in all of this the could bring everything to a halt.

    GRS154

  • GRS154 said...

    For me, having not read the books, I'm forced to develop opinions of characters based on how they're portrayed on the show. With that said here are some questions for those who have book-developed opinions:

    With all of the "claims to the throne" is Rob Stark's claim the only one that the author wants the reader to support? Honestly, he has no legitimate claim, except that he's the King-in-the-North. So his only real claim is for a bifurcated kingdom.

    Or are there others who you can root for in the books and it's all just personal opinion? Certainly there are few characters, as has been mentioned, that are above all reproach. But you can still root for characters that live in the gray area too and many people do....

    Personally, I like Rob, the Imp, and Dany--any of those three who "come out on top" would be fine with me.

    Arya is my favorite character. But I really want to see Dany get her dragon back and develop into a realistic threat to retake the Iron Throne.

    In my perfect world, the Imp would cede the North to Rob Stark and take the South/Kings landing from the current b*tch-a$$ king. Then, just when it seemed like there would be peace again, Dany and her dragons would come back to claim the whole kingdom under her rightful claim.

    But I fear that Stanus, Tywin and the Greyjoy's (spelling?) will have a lot to say about all of this.

    And the woman in red is a wildcard.

    Finally, the North (i.e. north of the Wall) where the Wildlings live is TRUE wildcard in all of this the could bring everything to a halt.

    Just remember he wrote 6 books already, and has maybe 3 more to write. This show covers Book 2. There's a LOT to go through. It's also impossible to answer your questions without giving away the story.

    Though I will say that I don't think the author wants you to necessarily "root" for anyone - though it's obvious he really likes the Starks as he ingrained them with a definite sense of justice, though I think he's more fascinated with the Lannisters, and likes the potential of the Targearyns. My suspicion is that he has no idea how this story is going to end.

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    appoo ●

  • GRS154 said...

    For me, having not read the books, I'm forced to develop opinions of characters based on how they're portrayed on the show. With that said here are some questions for those who have book-developed opinions:

    With all of the "claims to the throne" is Rob Stark's claim the only one that the author wants the reader to support? Honestly, he has no legitimate claim, except that he's the King-in-the-North. So his only real claim is for a bifurcated kingdom.

    Or are there others who you can root for in the books and it's all just personal opinion? Certainly there are few characters, as has been mentioned, that are above all reproach. But you can still root for characters that live in the gray area too and many people do....

    Personally, I like Rob, the Imp, and Dany--any of those three who "come out on top" would be fine with me.

    Arya is my favorite character. But I really want to see Dany get her dragon back and develop into a realistic threat to retake the Iron Throne.

    In my perfect world, the Imp would cede the North to Rob Stark and take the South/Kings landing from the current b*tch-a$$ king. Then, just when it seemed like there would be peace again, Dany and her dragons would come back to claim the whole kingdom under her rightful claim.

    But I fear that Stanus, Tywin and the Greyjoy's (spelling?) will have a lot to say about all of this.

    And the woman in red is a wildcard.

    Finally, the North (i.e. north of the Wall) where the Wildlings live is TRUE wildcard in all of this the could bring everything to a halt.

    I believe Rob Stark has no intention of taking over the iron throne and ruling everything, he just wants to get some cold blooded revenge for his father.

    rummel49

  • For those who read the books first and watched the show second, would you recommend that I go back and read the books? I always hate to read books and then nitpick with the movie/show later when it's not just right. But I always love the books....

    I guess at this point, I really enjoy the show so much that I'm looking for opinions as to whether I should risk that enjoyment for what I would get out of the books. And how do the books compare to other similar saga/series?

    GRS154

  • GRS154 said...

    For those who read the books first and watched the show second, would you recommend that I go back and read the books? I always hate to read books and then nitpick with the movie/show later when it's not just right. But I always love the books....

    I guess at this point, I really enjoy the show so much that I'm looking for opinions as to whether I should risk that enjoyment for what I would get out of the books. And how do the books compare to other similar saga/series?

    Can't really answer that for you. I've read all of the books written so far and I love the series. That's just me though.

    Nittany Sluggo

  • GRS154 said...

    For those who read the books first and watched the show second, would you recommend that I go back and read the books? I always hate to read books and then nitpick with the movie/show later when it's not just right. But I always love the books....

    I guess at this point, I really enjoy the show so much that I'm looking for opinions as to whether I should risk that enjoyment for what I would get out of the books. And how do the books compare to other similar saga/series?

    I watched season 1 and then started watching season 2 before I began reading the book. I'm about 250 pages deep in the first book, really enjoying it so far. It just provides a lot more depth and gives the reader a more detailed view of the characters. Very thick book though, all of them are.

    Andrew Dzurita

  • GRS154 said...

    For those who read the books first and watched the show second, would you recommend that I go back and read the books? I always hate to read books and then nitpick with the movie/show later when it's not just right. But I always love the books....

    I guess at this point, I really enjoy the show so much that I'm looking for opinions as to whether I should risk that enjoyment for what I would get out of the books. And how do the books compare to other similar saga/series?

    Torn here - if you are following along pretty well and don't feel lost, then I would say skip the books until after the series, so that you can see it as it plays out and - to your point- not constantly be nit-picking things. The books offer so much more background and detail, however, that reading them would up your enjoyment of the series. Perhaps the best thing to do would be to read each book after it's corresponding season - so you could read Book 1 now, and when this season is over in a few weeks read book 2, etc. Although if you're like me you won't be able to stop reading once you've started. biggrin

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by Nittanynole on 5/14/2012 at 3:55 PM

    Nittanynole

  • i started reading the books halfway through season 1 last year and just beat the clock on what happened to Ned and Drogo before those episodes aired and then read the rest of the books through the fall...i love both the books and the things HBO is doing, a lot of people who read the books years ago seem to be more pissed at the changes then newbies like me... I definitely think you should read the books, just adds so much more to the world of Westeros than HBO can portray

    Cronk

  • I agree Cronk. Reading the books does not take away my anticipation for new episodes. After reading the books I'm enjoying season 2 as much as I did season 1 before reading the books.

    And lol at Andrew's advice. I like style.

    mal106

  • GRS154 said...

    For me, having not read the books, I'm forced to develop opinions of characters based on how they're portrayed on the show. With that said here are some questions for those who have book-developed opinions:

    With all of the "claims to the throne" is Rob Stark's claim the only one that the author wants the reader to support? Honestly, he has no legitimate claim, except that he's the King-in-the-North. So his only real claim is for a bifurcated kingdom.

    Or are there others who you can root for in the books and it's all just personal opinion? Certainly there are few characters, as has been mentioned, that are above all reproach. But you can still root for characters that live in the gray area too and many people do....

    Personally, I like Rob, the Imp, and Dany--any of those three who "come out on top" would be fine with me.

    Arya is my favorite character. But I really want to see Dany get her dragon back and develop into a realistic threat to retake the Iron Throne.

    In my perfect world, the Imp would cede the North to Rob Stark and take the South/Kings landing from the current b*tch-a$$ king. Then, just when it seemed like there would be peace again, Dany and her dragons would come back to claim the whole kingdom under her rightful claim.

    But I fear that Stanus, Tywin and the Greyjoy's (spelling?) will have a lot to say about all of this.

    And the woman in red is a wildcard.

    Finally, the North (i.e. north of the Wall) where the Wildlings live is TRUE wildcard in all of this the could bring everything to a halt.

    +1
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    pennstatel0 ●

  • pennstatel0 said...

    +1 I never, in my wildest dreams, thought I's see the word "bifurcated" on a football message board......clap

    What, no interest from last night's episode?? Not much new there, just setting up the next two episodes for the closing of Book 2. Will say that both the Rob scenes and Tyrion's conversation with the Spider have far-reaching consequences. Also, not sure how many people caught it, as they presented it somewhat clumsily, but the Quorrin Halfhand/Jon Snow scene was a big deal as well for future events. Hopefully they'll flesh that out a bit more next week.

    Nittanynole

  • Nittanynole said...

    What, no interest from last night's episode?? Not much new there, just setting up the next two episodes for the closing of Book 2. Will say that both the Rob scenes and Tyrion's conversation with the Spider have far-reaching consequences. Also, not sure how many people caught it, as they presented it somewhat clumsily, but the Quorrin Halfhand/Jon Snow scene was a big deal as well for future events. Hopefully they'll flesh that out a bit more next week.

    I need jeoffry and theon to get what they deserve in the next two episodes! The only thing I didn't really understand was what were the stark boys doing? Did they go back to winterfell to hide after they went to the farm?

    PSU2525517 ●

  • PSU#25 said...

    The only thing I didn't really understand was what were the stark boys doing? Did they go back to winterfell to hide after they went to the farm?

    Yes, they circled back to hide in the crypts under Winterfell.

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    JettaPSU2001

  • PSU#25 said...

    The only thing I didn't really understand was what were the stark boys doing? Did they go back to winterfell to hide after they went to the farm?

    Yeah, the old guy smuggled them back into the city to hide. As he said, no one would ever look for them within the city walls...plus they're already assumed to be dead.

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    tdiddy

  • Nittanynole said...

    Will say that both the Rob scenes and Tyrion's conversation with the Spider have far-reaching consequences. Also, not sure how many people caught it, as they presented it somewhat clumsily, but the Quorrin Halfhand/Jon Snow scene was a big deal as well for future events. Hopefully they'll flesh that out a bit more next week.

    1. So what's up w Jamie Lannister? Don't ruin if there's a twist, but is it as simple as the female guard taking him back to King's Landing? A simple yes or no will do.

    2. On the show, have they introduced who Rob's 'promised' bride will be? They allude to it, but I can't remember that character actually appearing yet.

    3. What are you referring to w Quorrin Halfhand and Jon Snow? That convo was difficult to follow. IIRC, Halfhand referred to Snow making a negotiating chip of himself for when the Wildings marched on the Wall?

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    tdiddy

  • tdiddy said...

    2. On the show, have they introduced who Rob's 'promised' bride will be? They allude to it, but I can't remember that character actually appearing yet.

    2. They haven't assigned an actress to her character if that's what your asking. Besides knowing he has to marry one of that guy's daughters, there hasn't been much else there.

    Andrew Dzurita

  • I was under the impression that Quorrin was alluding to Jon making himself a spy?

    IIRC he said "one of us with them is worth 50 of us on the wall," or something like that.

    The "... If you'll do what needs to be done," part makes me think he's going to have to kill Quorrin later on. Haven't read the books though, so don't spoil it or me whether I'm right or wrong.

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  • Texas Lion said...

    I was under the impression that Quorrin was alluding to Jon making himself a spy?

    IIRC he said "one of us with them is worth 50 of us on the wall," or something like that.

    The "... If you'll do what needs to be done," part makes me think he's going to have to kill Quorrin later on. Haven't read the books though, so don't spoil it or me whether I'm right or wrong.

    The last part I caught. They've used that type of foreshadowing a lot when someone is about to die. (last week w the Lannister cousin for example)

    Perhaps the spy angle is valid. His argument with the red-head chick alluded to that as well when she asked 'Then why are you fightin us?' and he couldn't provide an answer.

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    tdiddy

  • tdiddy said...

    1. So what's up w Jamie Lannister? Don't ruin if there's a twist, but is it as simple as the female guard taking him back to King's Landing? A simple yes or no will do.

    2. On the show, have they introduced who Rob's 'promised' bride will be? They allude to it, but I can't remember that character actually appearing yet.

    3. What are you referring to w Quorrin Halfhand and Jon Snow? That convo was difficult to follow. IIRC, Halfhand referred to Snow making a negotiating chip of himself for when the Wildings marched on the Wall?

    1. No

    2. No, and they are deviating significantly from the books on this entire plot-line. They are essentially trying to bolster the weak sub-plot in the book by changing it, but in doing so they have to devote the time to this new character and story and not the back-story of his earlier betrothal, which was far more detailed in the books, and lent considerably to the tension between Rob and his mother. It's a fairly large plot piece, so it will be interesting to see if they are able to do it justice when they pull it back together down the road.

    3. No, that's not what he was referring to, but I won't spell it out. Suffice it to say that Halfhand was giving him instruction, and setting him up to execute on it - there's a much more specific conversation that happens in the book that I hope they portray, at least in part. That little piece last night was fumbled a bit, but it's the first step towards a large piece of the Jon Snow story.

    Nittanynole

  • I hope some of you are patient. Because you might have to wait 4 years to answer some of these questions

    Black Shoes. Basic Blues. No Name. All Game.

    appoo ●

  • Haven't watched last night's yet - but what did they do with Arya & Tywin? Any sign of the Bloody Mummers/Brave Companions? I was kinda looking forward to see how they'd be portrayed.

    This post was edited by appoo on 5/21/2012 at 9:42 AM

    Black Shoes. Basic Blues. No Name. All Game.

    appoo ●

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