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  • helpdesk said...

    Yes, Belichick is such a great coach that everyone else on the coaching staff plays Madden every day while he coaches all positions, scouts the opponents, reviews all game and practice film, implements the game plans, conducts all meetings, does the laundry, and tapes up the players. I'm sure the offensive coordinator has had nothing to do with their ongoing offensive success. Just like Phil Jackson did nothing to earn those 11 NBA Championships as a head coach, he just happened to have great players. Great players don't need coaches, and Bill Belichiick doesn't need assistants, so Tom Brady doesn't need Bill either or either Bill?

    Why do so many people have an issue giving this guy props for his time with New England? It's not like he comes off as an arrogant bastard like Charlie did.

    How smart was the "mastermind" after Elway retired? How prolific was Brian Billick without Randall Cunningham, Randy Moss and Chris Carter? Who was responsible for the "greatest show on turf", Kurt Warner or Mike Martz? Look at their careers after they left St. Louis. See a trend? Other than Bill Walsh, what coach has led dominant offenses under 2 different QB's? Brady was the best QB in the league before BOB . He'll continue to be one of the best once BOB leaves. He has thrived under several OC's that failed after they left him. So I wouldn't be so quick to credit BOB's contributions to New England's offense. That being said, coaching college is different than the pro's. I am hopeful and cautiously optimistic that Jr has the skill set to prosper at Penn State.

    Edit: to answer my own question, McCarthy is the only other one I can think of but I'll wait a few years before putting Favre/Rodgers in the same level as Montana/Young.

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  • psujmc1992 said...

    How smart was the "mastermind" after Elway retired? How prolific was Brian Billick without Randall Cunningham, Randy Moss and Chris Carter? Who was responsible for the "greatest show on turf", Kurt Warner or Mike Martz? Look at their careers after they left St. Louis. See a trend? Other than Bill Walsh, what coach has led dominant offenses under 2 different QB's? Brady was the best QB in the league before BOB . He'll continue to be one of the best once BOB leaves. He has thrived under several OC's that failed after they left him. So I wouldn't be so quick to credit BOB's contributions to New England's offense. That being said, coaching college is different than the pro's. I am hopeful and cautiously optimistic that Jr has the skill set to prosper at Penn State.

    Edit: to answer my own question, McCarthy is the only other one I can think of but I'll wait a few years before putting Favre/Rodgers in the same level as Montana/Young.

    I don't disagree with what you are saying. I have posted in a few other threads that the GM (and QB for that matter) is as or more important than the head coach. But I would never discount a coach because he coached great players or assume that the player was "the reason" for the success.

    As a Cowboys fan it is also very easy to see both sides. With a great coach and personnel man in Jimmy Johnson the great players went to Super Bowls. Barry Switzer was able to keep winning with Jimmy's players and systems but that quickly faded and Jerry Jones has not been able to get it going again post Troy Aikman.

    I think Shanahan was and is a great coach post Elway. He has a very difficult job in Washington the way Dan sprays his ATM around.

    I think Brian Billick, along with Moss and Carter made Daunte Culpepper millions he did not deserve. Moss and Billick went on to great things at other places. Billick won a championship with Trent Dilfer, perhaps the worst QB to play in the super bowl in the last 2 decades.

    Mike Martz took a grocery sacker and made him into a pro bowler and potential hall of famer. He made Trent Green into a hot QB commodity when Warner went down. Of course the GM that put that team together provided tools like Bruce, Holt, and Hakim to throw the ball too and put Faulk in the backfield with a great O-line in front. Martz turned retread John Kitna into a 4000 yard passer with Detroit and that offense died the year after Martz left.

    Brady, like Manning, is going to be one of the best in the league until he retires. That doesn't mean his OC's are not putting him in the best position possible to win. They both have different jobs to do. And an OC "failing", as you put it, when taking over the HC job with a crappy team does not make them a bad coach.

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