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  • @tmaluchnik said...

    I believe it was Bill Tobin, not Polian. It was still great nonetheless.

    yep - you are correct

    gianluca

  • MTayl72 said...

    MD, I live close to StL (relatively speaking) and enjoy following the Rams as one of my "backup" teams. Do you go to many games a year?

    I live in Maryland so I only see the Rams if they come to play the Ravens.

    I really love Sam Bradford's potential. Lets hope they can add the right pieces to be competitive before he gets knocked goofy.

    MDAlum

  • thomasbrady said...

    Rams might be one of those teams that makes that big jump this year. I could see you guys make the playoffs. I expect the 49ers to come back to earth a little bit, and for the Rams to make a bit of a leap forward. I guess Rams have had it bad at times, but you were also the 'greatest show on turf' .,

    at least you did not grow up a Browns fan.

    True that!!! At least I am not a Browns fan.

    The Rams go thru peaks and valleys. Super Bowl contending teams in the 70's and 80's. Massive running attacks with a host of great backs. Falling to doormats in the late 80's and 90's. Then coming back under Dick V to play in two super bowls as The Greatest Show on Turf. But the past ten years have been horrible. Bad drafting, bad performances.

    And I wish they'd go back to the yellow and blue jerseys.

    MDAlum

  • The link below is a post that I made on a Bills message board. It's an analysis of our GM's (Buddy Nix) picks at San Diego and Buffalo. Basically, what I'm trying to do is identify trends in when and how often certain positions are selected. It's not real advanced at this point, but in the future, when I'm not as busy, I hope to add to it (like it says at the bottom).

    Anyway, hope you enjoy.

    Systematic Analysis of the 10th pick and beyond | Buffalo Bills Draft

    http://www.buffalobillsdraft.com/2012/04/systematic-analysis-of-the-10th-pick/

    www.buffalobillsdraft.com
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  • psubills62 said...

    The link below is a post that I made on a Bills message board. It's an analysis of our GM's (Buddy Nix) picks at San Diego and Buffalo. Basically, what I'm trying to do is identify trends in when and how often certain positions are selected. It's not real advanced at this point, but in the future, when I'm not as busy, I hope to add to it (like it says at the bottom).

    Anyway, hope you enjoy.

    Great post, The article was really interesting. I wonder what trends would be seen if someone did expand it all GMs with enough data. I would assume that the LB trend would be common across most because of their value on special teams.

    Lion_in_CBus

  • Lion_in_CBus said...

    Great post, The article was really interesting. I wonder what trends would be seen if someone did expand it all GMs with enough data. I would assume that the LB trend would be common across most because of their value on special teams.

    Thanks, man. Strangely, the guy didn't change my post much to make it into an article format.

    I'm interested in the trends for other established GM's also. I think there are a number of ways this analysis could be extended, and I'm excited to sit down sometime and work it out.

    Although frankly, statistics are an extremely weak area for me.

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  • From what I read, the analyses wasn't that difficult. I work in public policy and I am kinda stat geek, though.

    Lion_in_CBus

  • Lion_in_CBus said...

    From what I read, the analyses wasn't that difficult. I work in public policy and I am kinda stat geek, though.

    It's really not, if you know much of anything about statistics. Plenty of people who don't, though.

    That said, I'm looking at making it more "complex." Trying to get away from the Gaussian distribution, for one thing. The other ways to change it are listed in the last part.

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  • white_out said...

    any idea where Devon Still is going?

    The guy was originally projected to go in the top 15 but a handful of Jr's declared for the draft and pushed him down a bit.

    I actually had a chance to drink with the guy all night at Mad Mex on Sat after the game. Super nice, humble, smart, and MASSIVE guy. It's crazy to see a big man as ripped as he is in person.

    Most recent rumor I heard was Broncos take him at #25.

    He told me he has had a few teams that have been in constant contact so hopefully he can get a 1st round grab.

    Widowmaker

  • psubills62 said...

    It's really not, if you know much of anything about statistics. Plenty of people who don't, though.

    That said, I'm looking at making it more "complex." Trying to get away from the Gaussian distribution, for one thing. The other ways to change it are listed in the last part.

    I agree, I remember reading an article (I also think the guy did a TED video) on the fact that statistic should be taught before many levels of high school math. Its definitely a much more functional discipline than some others.

    I think question four in the final section would be rather difficult. Especially due to imperfect information. I remember back to the Raiders and Mike Mitchell. I know analysts were going crazy because most drafniks and Kipe valued him as a 5-7 round pick.

    However, the Raiders had information that Bears were targeting him in later in the round, if I remember correctly. Although, they valued him as a 3rd round guy. They didn't value anyone on the board over him, so they pulled the trigger. I think Mayock and Kiper both apologized.

    Lion_in_CBus

  • psubills62 said...

    The link below is a post that I made on a Bills message board. It's an analysis of our GM's (Buddy Nix) picks at San Diego and Buffalo. Basically, what I'm trying to do is identify trends in when and how often certain positions are selected. It's not real advanced at this point, but in the future, when I'm not as busy, I hope to add to it (like it says at the bottom).

    Anyway, hope you enjoy.

    Let me guess, you are an engineer?

    thomasbrady

  • Lion_in_CBus said...

    I agree, I remember reading an article (I also think the guy did a TED video) on the fact that statistic should be taught before many levels of high school math. Its definitely a much more functional discipline than some others.

    I think question four in the final section would be rather difficult. Especially due to imperfect information. I remember back to the Raiders and Mike Mitchell. I know analysts were going crazy because most drafniks and Kipe valued him as a 5-7 round pick.

    However, the Raiders had information that Bears were targeting him in later in the round, if I remember correctly. Although, they valued him as a 3rd round guy. They didn't value anyone on the board over him, so they pulled the trigger. I think Mayock and Kiper both apologized.

    The fourth point in the last section is simply something I want to account for, not necessarily measure exactly. Basically, what I want to do is normalize the draft slots, because while there are 240+ picks in the draft each year, most teams only have ~7 of those.

    One way I was thinking of accounting for that is instead of using the draft slots (i.e. the number pick in the draft), order them 1 through X, where X is the total number of draft picks for that team, and look at that analysis.

    Not sure I explained that well, but it's the best I can do. I don't think it will be too difficult. The key is realizing that we can't account for everything, but we can change the analysis to estimate various factors. For example, do we add to the priority when a team trades up for a player/position?

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  • Widowmaker said...

    The guy was originally projected to go in the top 15 but a handful of Jr's declared for the draft and pushed him down a bit.

    I actually had a chance to drink with the guy all night at Mad Mex on Sat after the game. Super nice, humble, smart, and MASSIVE guy. It's crazy to see a big man as ripped as he is in person.

    Most recent rumor I heard was Broncos take him at #25.

    He told me he has had a few teams that have been in constant contact so hopefully he can get a 1st round grab.

    Did he let on as to who those teams were?

    thomasbrady

  • thomasbrady said...

    Let me guess, you are an engineer?

    You're good, Tommy.

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  • psubills62 said...

    The fourth point in the last section is simply something I want to account for, not necessarily measure exactly. Basically, what I want to do is normalize the draft slots, because while there are 240+ picks in the draft each year, most teams only have ~7 of those.

    One way I was thinking of accounting for that is instead of using the draft slots (i.e. the number pick in the draft), order them 1 through X, where X is the total number of draft picks for that team, and look at that analysis.

    Not sure I explained that well, but it's the best I can do. I don't think it will be too difficult. The key is realizing that we can't account for everything, but we can change the analysis to estimate various factors. For example, do we add to the priority when a team trades up for a player/position?

    I kinda of get what your getting at, but I need to think about it.

    To the last question: What if the draft pick trade value chart was used? some-sort of multiplier for the value of the pick and then it could be increased if the pieces trade were more or less than the recommended value.

    Draft Countdown - Trade Value Chart

    Scott Wright of Draft Countdown provides the value chart that NFL teams use when making draft pick trades.

    www.draftcountdown.com

    Lion_in_CBus

  • Lion_in_CBus said...

    I kinda of get what your getting at, but I need to think about it.

    To the last question: What if the draft pick trade value chart was used? some-sort of multiplier for the value of the pick and then it could be increased if the pieces trade were more or less than the recommended value.

    The problem is that that chart was outdated even 10 years ago.

    It was mostly a nominal question, and unless there is some appropriate way to quantify it, I'll probably end up ignoring trades.

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