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NCAA sues PA...

  • PSUDOG said...

    I have a crazy gut feeling that Erickson was told to sign the Consent Decree by some of the BOT Members and that they (BOT) will say that he signed nothing under duress and that they knew what they were doing.

    If not why wouldn't PSU BOT already be screaming this from the rooftops? It is plain and simple, if Erickson signed it not legally then boom there you have it. But he did sign it legally because that is what he was told to do by the crooks.

    Face it, at a time when everyone needed them the most the leaders of this school laid one big fat goose egg.

    I think that most BOT members simply took the path of least resistance and followed national public opinion at the time. My guess is that many leaders at the university were for their own convenience hoping to not have to take an actual position on the Freeh report, consent decree, NCAA sanctions and were content to sit silently. Oddly enough, the NCAA lawsuit now all but forces PSU to take a position to either rebuke the consent decree or stand by the decree but tick-off nearly everyone in PA over money going out of state.

    This post was edited by Cambria Nittany on 2/20/2013 at 5:04 PM

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  • NCAA has no right to take state tax payer funds regardless of the amount and levy a fine requiring PSU to pay them. Absolute insanity but they figure money will cure child abuse which it wont. Throwing money at things doesnt solve issues see WELFARE in PA!!

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  • appoo said...

    Because to them - it is a fungible a line of cash. They can basically do whatever the f*ck they want with that cash.

    If the NCAA gets control of this money II am willing to bet that only half of the money will actually go to kids. The other half will be administrative cost to oversee the distribution.

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  • newera142052 said...

    NCAA has no right to take state tax payer funds regardless of the amount and levy a fine requiring PSU to pay them. Absolute insanity but they figure money will cure child abuse which it wont. Throwing money at things doesnt solve issues see WELFARE in PA!!

    what the hell? Did you just equate child abuse to being poor? Did you also just argue that it's not worth to fund programs and charities designed to help stop child abuse?

    This post was edited by appoo on 2/20/2013 at 5:32 PM

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  • appoo said...

    what the hell? Did you just equate child abuse to being poor? Did you also just argue that it's not worth to fund programs and charities designed to help stop child abuse?

    That's why he's the second worst poster here.

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  • "The state has attempted to grant itself the ability to do whatever it wants to whomever it wants." - The NCAA.

    Forgive me if this was mentioned already. But lol.

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  • MTayl72 said...

    That's why he's the second worst poster here.

    lol

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  • To me, this suit by the NCAA is about 2 things:

    1. Trying to show other schools they can't be pushed around; and

    2. Making sure they have enough money to defend lawsuits when schools realize #1 is total BS.

    This post was edited by pab203psu on 2/20/2013 at 6:19 PM

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  • JettaPSU2001 said...

    "The state has attempted to grant itself the ability to do whatever it wants to whomever it wants." - The NCAA.

    Forgive me if this was mentioned already. But lol.

    You see this a lot in politics; it's called projection. You take a weakness that you have and you accuse the other side of the very same thing.

    bonovoxpsu

  • blackshoes said...

    I just think the NCAA looks like clowns trying to fight this. I think the fine should have never went into NCAA hands and I think the NCAA should have required PSU to spend X amount of dollars on child abuse prevention and helping abuse victims. All the money should have been itemized and accounted for. The last thing any of this money should be doing is lining anybody's pockets especially emmert and company. By fighting keeping the money instate it makes you look more dirty and corrupt and right now that's not a good look for the NCAA.

    I agree with this. This ploy may backfire on the NCAA.

    State College, PA - Reps. Thompson and Dent: NCAA 'Stonewalling' Efforts to Reinstate Lost Scholarships

    NCAA President Mark Emmert responded to a letter from U.S. Representatives Glenn 'GT' Thompson and Charlie Dent in which they requested the NCAA reinstate the 40 football scholarships Penn State lost when it signed a consent agreement with the NCAA, accepting its sanctions.

    www.statecollege.com
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  • PSUDOG said...

    BREAKING NEWS: Rod Erickson has personally called The NCAA and has apologized for the State of PA fighting anything. He will personally talk to everyone involved to see if PA will drop all the lgeal stuff even if it means signing a piece of paper.

    In other news The NCAA is telling Erickson they will take away his office if he doesn't agree with helping them.

    The Erickson Press Conference can be seen live on Disney Jr and is being held at Chuckie Cheese.

    Erickson has been banished to the basement of Old Main tasked with killing cock roaches like Milton in office space.

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  • Did anyone else quickly glance at the title of this thread and for a second thought it said "NCAA sues Sue Pa" ?? Man, I need to get more rest!!!

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  • Did anyone else quickly glance at the title of this thread and for a second thought it said "NCAA sues Sue Pa" ?? Man, I need to get more rest!!!

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    I_Billieve

  • All the NCAA has to do is point to the part of the consent decree that discusses who controls the money.... oh wait, it's not in there. All it says is that it can't be used to find PSU programs. Here's my question.... if the NCAA planned to have complete control of the money, why was there a need to include that stipulation in the contract? to remind themselves how they can't spend it? what joke.

    It's clear that the NCAA dropped the ball big time by not being being explicit in where the money goes and who decides it.

    spud358

  • sorry for going back2back here...

    Can someone remind me why the Commonwealth isn't asking for an injunction and/or threatening to claim damages should they win? Like others, I'm concerned that this mess will drag out until the majority of the sanctions are behind us. I would think that the NCAA would really start sweating at the thought of paying damages in this case after years of sanctions. Damages could probably be argued in the realm of $100 million if you consider all the potential loss over 4 years of harsh sanctions.

    someone with a legal background explained the reason for not doing that now and I don;t recall the reason. I do think they said that they could still do that at some point if they wanted.

    This post was edited by spud358 on 2/20/2013 at 8:00 PM

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  • Wow the NCAA opening another front. Dividing your forces in the face of a superior enemy is risky business. Now NCAA is fighting two separate parts of PA government: Corbett's law firm and AG Kane.

    Hope Corbett amends to include financial damages and Kane files a counter or new lawsuit on the validity of the consent decree.

    It appears Emmert's ego won't allow him to back down, but what is the stomach of the NCAA executive board and membership?

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  • PennStateFan33 said...

    Wow the NCAA opening another front. Dividing your forces in the face of a superior enemy is risky business. Now NCAA is fighting two separate parts of PA government: Corbett's law firm and AG Kane.

    Hope Corbett amends to include financial damages and Kane files a counter or new lawsuit on the validity of the consent decree.

    It appears Emmert's ego won't allow him to back down, but what is the stomach of the NCAA executive board and membership?

    They are elites as well.

    LBU59 ●

  • IIRC, it's harder to prove damages and therefore the state didn't want to take the chance that the case would be dismissed on those grounds.

    PSUJT0409 ●

  • @bylawblog: The NCAA sued PA not just over $60 million, but to defend one of its most important & least-known legal victories: http://t.co/01FFJ7pMAY

    Interesting description on NCAA legal precedent. Like this part: " In effect, it limits what type of state regulation the NCAA can come under, to only things consistent with NCAA regulations." Which part of NCAA regulations cover the consent decree process?

    PennStateFan33 ●

  • PennStateFan33 said...

    @bylawblog: The NCAA sued PA not just over $60 million, but to defend one of its most important & least-known legal victories: http://t.co/01FFJ7pMAY

    Interesting description on NCAA legal precedent. Like this part: " In effect, it limits what type of state regulation the NCAA can come under, to only things consistent with NCAA regulations." Which part of NCAA regulations cover the consent decree process?

    Yeah, the article is off... The argument is a stretch, and the law is fact specific. It doesnt fit our facts here. A court could choose to include the acts that are in our facts, but I doubt that the court would want to extend NCAA protection in light of recent events (Miami).

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  • spud358 said...

    sorry for going back2back here...

    Can someone remind me why the Commonwealth isn't asking for an injunction and/or threatening to claim damages should they win? Like others, I'm concerned that this mess will drag out until the majority of the sanctions are behind us. I would think that the NCAA would really start sweating at the thought of paying damages in this case after years of sanctions. Damages could probably be argued in the realm of $100 million if you consider all the potential loss over 4 years of harsh sanctions.

    someone with a legal background explained the reason for not doing that now and I don;t recall the reason. I do think they said that they could still do that at some point if they wanted.

    From everything that I have read, by the state not asking for monetary damages, the judge may be a little more open to granting them "standing" if it were a close call.

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  • appoo said...

    I understand what you're saying, though I didn't reference the endowment. I was referring to the monies granted to Penn State from the State Budget. I thought that money would be fungible. I also thought any money that the NCAA received would also be fungible. That, specifically, is what I was answering another poster for - on why the NCAA cares where the money gets spent. I believe the NCAA would just use this money as a slush fund that they claim is to help against child abuse, but really just sits in their budget. In the same way that the state of Texas used their Stimulus funding that was earmarked for Education, but TX got out of by simply defunding their budget by the exact amount they received from the Federal Gov't.

    My fault, I thought you were saying that the fine money was fungible, not the funding PSU receives from the Commonwealth.

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  • PSUJT0409 said...

    Michael Sisak ‏@cvmikesisak BREAKING: NCAA files lawsuit against Gov. #Corbett, state officials over attempts to keep #PennState fines in Pennsylvania.

    SIAP: - saw this on 'another' site:

    From the NCAA's statement about their lawsuit against the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania.... comes the definition of hypocrisy

    "The state has attempted to grant itself the ability to do whatever it wants to whomever it wants."

    What a joke they are!!!

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  • Has the NCAA ever fined another program? Only can find references to PSU's fine.

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