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NCAA sues PA...

  • RWC5113 said...

    I agree for the most part. However, the NCAA is absolutely stupid for doing this. The reward is not worth the risk at all. They are literally picking a fight with every single state politician over this (not just Corbett) who sees this as a huge opportunity to win over the people of PA. Politicians with pull and ability to have the NCAA sitting in front of congress in DC in a very short amount of time. I understand egos can make some people be irrational at times, but Emmert is seriously just being 100% stupid, regardless of the legal merits of this current case. The unintended consequences could be enormous.

    Oh, I agree. I totally agree with you there.

    getmyjive11

  • MTayl72 said...

    All they need is to go to next (2014) November. Even next February 2014 is a win for them.

    We'll see man. There is a reason here why I am optimistic... Not just drinking the blue kool-aid, trust me. I have heard good things from people in the know... If things change, I will let you know, but things still look good for us at this point...

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  • RWC5113 said...

    I agree for the most part. However, the NCAA is absolutely stupid for doing this. The reward is not worth the risk at all. They are literally picking a fight with every single state politician over this (not just Corbett) who sees this as a huge opportunity to win over the people of PA. Politicians with pull and ability to have the NCAA sitting in front of congress in DC in a very short amount of time. I understand egos can make some people be irrational at times, but Emmert is seriously just being 100% stupid, regardless of the legal merits of this current case. The unintended consequences could be enormous.

    I have a crazy gut feeling that Erickson was told to sign the Consent Decree by some of the BOT Members and that they (BOT) will say that he signed nothing under duress and that they knew what they were doing.

    If not why wouldn't PSU BOT already be screaming this from the rooftops? It is plain and simple, if Erickson signed it not legally then boom there you have it. But he did sign it legally because that is what he was told to do by the crooks.

    Face it, at a time when everyone needed them the most the leaders of this school laid one big fat goose egg.

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  • MTayl72 said...

    They'll settle in the end. Idk if they expect to win, the goal is to drag it On as long as they can and inflict as much damage possible.

    Again, I don't see it happening big guy. I will keep you posted though...

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  • rmj147 said...

    We'll see man. There is a reason here why I am optimistic... Not just drinking the blue kool-aid, trust me. I have heard good things from people in the know... If things change, I will let you know, but things still look good for us at this point...

    I don't even care to know if it changes or stays the same. They're going to grind the f*ck out of it. If I'm the NCAA, which is love to be someday, its now a big FU and damage infliction.

    MTayl72

  • I think it's time for Casey and Toomey to step up and jump on board. I would hope this is the kind of bipartisan issue that both can stand behind and use some federal influence for their constituents...

    JDpsu

  • rmj147 said...

    Again, I don't see it happening big guy. I will keep you posted though...

    Please don't

    MTayl72

  • MTayl72 said...

    They'll settle in the end. Idk if they expect to win, the goal is to drag it On as long as they can and inflict as much damage possible.

    That may be their goal. But it doesn't take very long for some of these politicians to have them sitting in Washington. And it doesn't help these politicians much to settle. They'd rather play hardball and be able to say that they took on and beat the NCAA for the people of Pennsylvania. These guys aren't going to be in line with Emmert's planned dance steps.

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  • MTayl72 said...

    Please don't

    Ha. Ok then, I wont... Damn

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  • RWC5113 said...

    That may be their goal. But it doesn't take very long for some of these politicians to have them sitting in Washington. And it doesn't help these politicians much to settle. They'd rather play hardball and be able to say that they took on and beat the NCAA for the people of Pennsylvania. These guys aren't going to be in line with Emmert's planned dance steps.

    Washington? Lol. That would work if most of the country wasn't in favor of the sanctions. Let's not act like there is no polling nationally on this topic

    MTayl72

  • MTayl72 said...

    Washington? Lol. That would work if most of the country wasn't in favor of the sanctions. Let's not act like there is no polling nationally on this topic

    Most aren't. Most don't give much of a shit.
    Many hate Joe and everything PSU and want us to burn so they can further themselves.
    And many think the NCAA is absolutely ludicrous (may still hate us) but are pretty tired of the NCAA.

    Not to mention with the recent negative wave, Enron-ride-of-broken-dreams like ride the NCAA is currently on. Many people stand to gain a lot by fighting them. And many of them are people with connections in Washington from both parties.

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  • PSUJT0409 said...

    Well alot of people were claiming that the NCAA wouldn't want to go through the discovery process that would involve a lawsuit. However, filing a lawsuit against Pennsylvania makes me think that they may be willing to drag this out more than people initially thought. Either that or they feel like the PA suit against them will be dismissed.

    This is all PR. They do not want to get into discovery.

    They could have issued a counterclaim in the Corbett lawsuit, instead they file a separate action to get more headlines. They all will be handled together likely with a motion to consolidate but wait to see if discovery starts in the next thrity days.

    jimscranton

  • blackshoes said...

    I just think the NCAA looks like clowns trying to fight this. I think the fine should have never went into NCAA hands and I think the NCAA should have required PSU to spend X amount of dollars on child abuse prevention and helping abuse victims. All the money should have been itemized and accounted for. The last thing any of this money should be doing is lining anybody's pockets especially emmert and company. By fighting keeping the money instate it makes you look more dirty and corrupt and right now that's not a good look for the NCAA.

    Totally agree. Bottom line is this money is for charity. The state and school should be accountable to the NCAA for the money in terms of how it was allocated and used. No problem there. If the NCAA gets the money, who is holding them accountable. Shapiro from prison???? They look like idiots IMO for doing this right now...absolute idiots. They should have said...keep the money in PA and be very detailed in your accounting for this 60 million. Instead they are saying they will pay tens of thousands if not more to fight for money allocated to go to chariy. If the victims were outside of PA, they may have legit reason. As far as I know these were all local victims.

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  • RWC5113 said...

    Most aren't. Most don't give much of a shit.
    Many hate Joe and everything PSU and want us to burn so they can further themselves.
    And many think the NCAA is absolutely ludicrous (may still hate us) but are pretty tired of the NCAA.

    Not to mention with the recent negative wave, Enron-ride-of-broken-dreams like ride the NCAA is currently on. Many people stand to gain a lot by fighting them. And many of them are people with connections in Washington from both parties.

    I'm not saying you're totally wrong. But we polled it not too long ago, I know the parties are. Connections help, but a lot of reps are careful about looking soft on child rape (uninformed voters determine that connection, not people who actually read).

    MTayl72

  • getmyjive11 said...

    When an endowment is created, the funds in the endowment are generally restricted by a contract agreed upon by the donor (or in this case, the offender). Once the guidelines are set up, it would be unlawful to use the funds outside of the parameters set by the agreement. Now, endowments can be unrestricted, but they are rare (usually donors want their money spent a certain way).

    If you look at PSU's $1.7B endowment, the vast majority of it is restricted. That is why it is rediculous to reference the endowment when discussing how PSU would pay for the scandal... the majority of those funds cannot be touched.

    I understand what you're saying, though I didn't reference the endowment. I was referring to the monies granted to Penn State from the State Budget. I thought that money would be fungible. I also thought any money that the NCAA received would also be fungible. That, specifically, is what I was answering another poster for - on why the NCAA cares where the money gets spent. I believe the NCAA would just use this money as a slush fund that they claim is to help against child abuse, but really just sits in their budget. In the same way that the state of Texas used their Stimulus funding that was earmarked for Education, but TX got out of by simply defunding their budget by the exact amount they received from the Federal Gov't.

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  • A good article on why the NCAA is suing PA.

    NCAA Sues PA on Constitutional Grounds

    http://www.athleticscholarships.net/2013/02/20/ncaa-sues-pa-on-constitutional-grounds.htm

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  • Wow!!! Emmert's ego is just soooooooo f@cking big!!!!

    Why does he/NCAA care where the money is spent as long as it is spent to protect children? The answer is simple. He thinks he is God. This is a fight where there is no upside to the NCAA other than ego/power tripping.

    And claiming the money is "theirs"? Technically it is not theirs. It is restricted money to be used for the sole purpose of giving to organizations that protect children. Period. It's not theirs.

    Man, I hope somehow, someway they can be taken down.

    BKHPSU

  • JDpsu said...

    I think it's time for Casey and Toomey to step up and jump on board. I would hope this is the kind of bipartisan issue that both can stand behind and use some federal influence for their constituents...

    Casey doesn't have a brain cell in his head.

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  • PSUJT0409 said...

    A good article on why the NCAA is suing PA.

    Yeah. The Miller case is good law for the NCAA, but this doesn't appear to be on point with the facts here... As usual, it's fact specific/sensitive... I doubt the court wants to expand Miller to include these facts. But, that's up to the court.

    This post was edited by rmj147 on 2/20/2013 at 4:33 PM

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  • Emmert had already promised this money to his friends on boards of select charities around the country...just a guess..the size of the fine is ridiculous in itself

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  • my viewpoint of PA vs. NCAA (sanctions, not fine money) is based on the idea that Emmert/NCAA has things to hide relative to
    A. The handling of the Miami investigation and knowledge (emails/documents stating Emmert knew for example)
    B. The handling of our particular case and punishment.
    With that said, it's my personal opinion that the NCAA settles with PA to avoid continued media scrutiny (and maybe save Emmert's job) since the state of PA will have subpoena power and the NCAA's handlings of other cases is certainly in bounds. All it would take is a couple leaks of Emmert's knowledge of the Miami investigation and siyanora to him. That's the basis behind me thinking the NCAA settles before they let it reach that point. If they have nothing to hide, then I definitely think it drags on for a couple years and PA ends up losing in court in the long run. I'm willing to hedge my bets on that corrupt organization having plenty to hide though relative to their investigations. Hinges on receiving standing, obviously.

    This post was edited by PSU12 on 2/20/2013 at 4:39 PM

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  • To put it bluntly, Fuck them. They want the $ outside of PA so they can take their cut. The entire fine should go directly to charity. NCAA should not be allowed to touch it.

    Since it's in escrow now, decide which charity they want it to go too. That's fair and helps victims. Lining their own pockets with their ill gotten cash does nothing for victims. But we all know the NCAA only cares about victims when it's convenient for their own purposes.

    rck127

  • MTayl72 said...

    They'll attempt to drag it on until the sanctions are over or Corbett isn't reelected.

    If the NCAA's motion to dismiss is denied, a preliminary injunction staying the sanctions seems likely, because as you note, the sanctions are time limited and NCAA can "win" simply by dragging out this case.

    This post was edited by Cambria Nittany on 2/20/2013 at 4:58 PM

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  • MTayl72 said...

    The University should stay out of it. It'd be like running into a gun fight with a 22 pistol While the Govs Office has an M4

    No your right, I actually was just trying to drive the point that the only way sanctions get put on hold is if the university appeals.

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