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NCAA files motion to dismiss suit

  • Of course Emmert and company reference the consent decree that they knew of we signed, they owned our asses because they have no case otherwise.

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  • song46 said...

    i think this settles well before summary judgment. the losing party to the MTD will appeal. if pa loses, it will appeal. if NCAA loses, it will seek interlocutory appeal. if interlocutory appeal is denied, then i think the parties settle after some limited discovery.

    If I take you assumptions as true, settlement is possible following some discovery, but all experienced attorneys (I'm assuming you're in that boat too) know that settlement intent/discussion are often unsuccessful and cases often get way past the stage that anyone thought they would go because parties are either unable to settle or are unwilling to drop their "price" at such an early stage.

    GRS154

  • rmj147 said...

    I am an attorney and understand what you are saying. But after talking with an antitrust lawyer that practices in front of the judges that will be hearing it, in the middle district, I was told that this is the NCAA's best viable shot. Doesn't mean that they dont have other options, just not likely to succeed. Maybe I will have him email me, and copy and paste his argument for you...

    I don't disagree that it's their best argument... never contested that. All I'm saying is that if the motion is denied, and an interlocutory appeal is denied as it should be, the parties might WANT to settle but I find it very unlikely that they will.... which means lengthy discovery and summary judgment. Settlement is about leverage and I just don't think losing the motion to dismiss will be enough leverage to force the NCAA into settle. That last part is obviously my opinion. I am not quibbling with you friend's antitrust analysis or opinion, just that the process doesn't look so cut and dry to me given everything that is at stake for both sides.

    GRS154

  • rmj147 said...

    This. But I am hopeful on the merits of the actual case...

    Agreed, I'm also hopeful on the merits, but even more so on settlement that would reduce the sanctions in ANY WAY.

    GRS154

  • GRS154 said...

    Agreed, I'm also hopeful on the merits, but even more so on settlement that would reduce the sanctions in ANY WAY.

    Agreed, worse case scenario, I could live with the NCAA chopping off the last year of the bowl ban and lifting the scholarship reductions early as well.

    PSUJT0409

  • GRS154 said...

    I don't disagree that it's their best argument... never contested that. All I'm saying is that if the motion is denied, and an interlocutory appeal is denied as it should be, the parties might WANT to settle but I find it very unlikely that they will.... which means lengthy discovery and summary judgment. Settlement is about leverage and I just don't think losing the motion to dismiss will be enough leverage to force the NCAA into settle. That last part is obviously my opinion. I am not quibbling with you friend's antitrust analysis or opinion, just that the process doesn't look so cut and dry to me given everything that is at stake for both sides.

    It sounds like most people, at least on here, are assuming that the leverage to settle will come from NCAA not wanting to subject their sanctioning processes/communications to the discovery phase. It may or may not be true, but if there is anything at all worth hiding on their end, I'm inclined they'll want to settle - especially with the PR battle turning against the NCAA and Emmert pretty steadily.

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  • I honestly thought the NCAA's Standing argument would be stronger. You generally don't have the strongest argument when you cite a Treatise rather than an actual case for a proposition. Also, the NCAA failed to raise some of the standing issues in this article.

    4 Reasons Why Gov. Corbett's Antitrust Lawsuit Against The NCAA Is On Shaky Ground | Litigation & Trial Lawyer Blog

    http://www.litigationandtrial.com/2013/01/articles/series/special-comment/corbett-antitrust-ncaa/

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  • CCArrowMan said...

    I honestly thought the NCAA's Standing argument would be stronger. You generally don't have the strongest argument when you cite a Treatise rather than an actual case for a proposition. Also, the NCAA failed to raise some of the standing issues in this article.

    That article is not good for PSU. Having just read NCAA v. Tarkanian I would surmise that that should have been or will be the basis of the NCAA's argument.

    PSUJT0409

  • rmj147 said...

    I am an attorney and understand what you are saying. But after talking with an antitrust lawyer that practices in front of the judges that will be hearing it, in the middle district, I was told that this is the NCAA's best viable shot. Doesn't mean that they dont have other options, just not likely to succeed. Maybe I will have him email me, and copy and paste his argument for you...

    This is a shocking revelation. Between your 10,000 posts and extensive site monitoring, how have you made billable hours?

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  • PSUbacon said...

    This is a shocking revelation. Between your 10,000 posts and extensive site monitoring, how have you made billable hours?

    i was still a student last year. Its not really shocking. And Im pretty good at what I do..

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  • CCArrowMan said...

    I honestly thought the NCAA's Standing argument would be stronger. You generally don't have the strongest argument when you cite a Treatise rather than an actual case for a proposition. Also, the NCAA failed to raise some of the standing issues in this article.

    I have a tough time taking this guy seriously when in the comments below he says the Freeh Report is likely accurate.

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  • I can't see the state ever beating the NCAA.

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  • Amendment might avoid the 12(b)(6), but jurisdiction isn't cured based on an amendment... They're saying that PA doesn't have a case.

    And yes, this does mean it will be decided earlier (at least in 99% of cases) - the deadlines are keyed in terms of days (28 days, 14, 7, etc.), not dates, so filing earlier means everything moves up.

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  • "Governor Corbett is a member of PSU's governing board, which voted to ratify the Consent Decree."

    Did the board actually ratify it? I thought they just issued support for Erickson and moved on. Anyone?

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  • We need to set something straight. The NCAA does not have to give PSU due process. The NCAA is not a government entity and therefore not required to. Read NCAA v. Tarkanian, it spells that out explicitly. You can argue that the NCAA acted beyond its authority in punishing PSU but in regards to due process, the NCAA did nothing wrong. We need to stop making this argument because it has no merit.

    PSUJT0409

  • JettaPSU2001 said...

    "Governor Corbett is a member of PSU's governing board, which voted to ratify the Consent Decree."

    Did the board actually ratify it? I thought they just issued support for Erickson and moved on. Anyone?

    They did not ratify it. You are correct.

    I do believe they could at any time, however.

    PSU17

  • PSU17 said...

    They did not ratify it. You are correct.

    I do believe they could at any time, however.

    So the NCAA is flat out wrong in their own motion? Go figure.

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  • GRS154 said...

    Just because they can't win a motion to dismiss, doesn't mean their arguments they made in that motion are dead. It has to do with the burden of proof and 12(b) standard of review. Too much to explain right now, but maybe another attorney has the time. If not, I'll try to explain later.

    This is basically the point...

    I can say, anecdotally, that in about 2 years of clerking, I received 50-60 civil cases, and I saw probably 80 motions to dismiss. Defendants almost always file these because, guess what? Their attorneys can bill for it!!! Then, either Plaintiff calls their bluff or Plaintiff amends. If they amend, you get another MTD. It's absurd, but this is nowhere near the "only defense" the NCAA has, as some are intimating. Latham & Watkins is a top-10 firm in the world. They are GOOOOOOD. They will find all sorts of stuff.

    This is, of course, not to say that they won't settle, but they definitely have many more rounds of ammo if the NCAA wants to keep pushing.

    Edit: I'm reading the brief now. It's as good as you'd expect from L&W. Full of inaccuracies that we know about, but that the general public will believe. Luckily, this is a judge and not a twittermoron. BTW - a friend just informed me that Judge Kane has a reputation for denying motions to dismiss with little to no explanation, which means a (relatively) quick turnaround.

    This post was edited by psume06 on 2/8/2013 at 1:17 PM

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