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My honest QB assessment

  • - I'll get this one out of the way first, there was most certainly a different play book for each quarterback in the 1st half. (which is what many, including the announcers, used to compare both guys) It got a LITTLE better in the 2nd for Bolden with some more basic throws, but it was still odd to see why it was so different. Perhaps the coaches just didn't want to show certain things from each QB at this stage.

    - The biggest difference for me with both QB's on actual throws is that Bolden seems to get the ball in a place where the receivers still can do something after the catch. He even seemed to do this while under pressure. He is no where near perfect at this stage, but he delivered 3-4 balls on point, in the face of pressure, that I felt was impressive. In contrast, even on MM's completions in the first half, they were not accurately thrown. The one to Brown over the middle, Brown had to stop and go down to catch. If it was throw to his hands, he catches and turns up field to gain at least another 5. The play action to Moye, he also had to slow down and come back for the ball. So while we give him credit for the completion, to me, this is what makes MM more of a solid backup than a starter. Sure he can get the ball to that area, but he doesn't get it into a position where the receiver can do something with it.

    - I would have liked to see RB look for 2nd and 3rd options more, however I can't really say he had the time to do it. Anytime he stepped back for more than a 3 step drop, he had a man in his face quickly. Some say it was because he failed to recognize a blitz, maybe so. On the other hand, some were simply cases of the o-line getting blown up. (similar to MM's near INT where the center got rolled over) I'd like to see us bring an extra guy in for protection on those 5 step drops and give Bolden a little more time to see if he can survey the field better.

    - To me, Bolden did look better in some situations. All throws were pretty accurate, minus the throw to Moye in the end zone. (Wrong route??) He delivered nice balls in the face of pressure. I also felt he moved around the pocket a little more when he felt it collapsing. (the run, the short pass to Dukes in the 3rd quarter)

    - The talk about Bolden just sitting by himself on the sidelines where MM stood with Big Red is nonsense. When MM was in the game in the 2nd, Bolden was standing right there next to MM. It seemed like the BTN had an agenda to support MM so they showed BOlden on the bench at the end of the game and tried to make an issue. He was clearly standing near Red in the 2nd quarter watching the game.

    - Minus the one drive, MM did fine. He made his completions. But in all honesty, any D1 QB could make those completions on those drives, with those play calls. So when I hear about "the team scores with him", it just makes no sense. You mean to tell me RB, or PJ, or Morelli couldn't make those 2 screen passes, or that short pass to Brown, or that play action to Moye?

    - Overall....nothing was solved. I know I prefer Bolden...but I honestly felt he showed the most improvement of both, which wasn't exactly a ton. I have a feeling he is the guy, and MM's post game comments were him trying to proclaim why it should be him, even though it isn't.

    MM is a capable backup...and I am fine with him there. But I don't see us going anywhere long term with him, even on completions, when the receiver has to come back for it all the time, or go down low for it. I have no problem with MM coming into a game if RB is struggling big time. But to get somewhere, I think you need to give RB the shot to grow this season. He made some great throws in the face of pressure....and that IS important. Can he improve pre-snap? Most certainly. But that comes with experience AND coaching.

    md154

  • I couldn't agree more with evrything you said..esp. the way the BTN and the announcers handled the telecast with audio and video...AMEN!!.. I just hope the people that matter feel the same way..

    On a side note the game plan was obviously vanilla so it would be nice to see an open game plan which Im sure we will see more of next week.

    mr intensity26349

  • so now the BTN is in on the McGloin conspiracy?

    Really? The BTN had an agenda?

    This post was edited by bonovoxpsu on 9/5/2011 at 3:42 PM

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  • Ok, ok, ok BTN has no MM agenda. But I am watching the game for the first time on replay and the announcers were rather harsh on bolden, even Brown's td drop was criticized, "If that ball was under thrown it would have been picked off"... but no mention that it wasnt or that it was indeed a good throw.

    Not saying its intentional, its just annoying to listen to.

    And also i would like to see more screen plays for bolden.

    Psu36

  • Here's my honest QB assessment............I don't think either one is very good and people like myself who are Team Bolden are going to have to come to grips with the fact that despite all his physical tools, he really shows no basic instincts out there, and that's hard to teach if not impossible. McGloin on the over hand does not possess great physical skills but looks mode natural out there. However, he seems to have that Brett Favre mentality with a sub Chad Pennington arm. Not a good combination. Now here's the part that gonna really piss some of you off............I don't think there's really a lot Jay can do to correct their deficiencies.

    We Are27731

  • Bolden is definitely a bit Morelli-esque in that he locks onto his primary target and doesn't go through his progressions.

    I know that's always a tough thing for young QBs to learn but I was/am really hoping he shows some progress in that area. Otherwise, we're in a lot of trouble once the competition improves because the primary read won't always be available.

    ams533

  • bonovoxpsu said...

    so now the BTN is in on the McGloin conspiracy?

    Really? The BTN had an agenda?

    After 5 Bolden passes, including 4 that hit the receivers in the hands, and 2 McGloin passes (a good pass to Moye and a poorly thrown ball to Brown), the announcers claimed McGloin was looking sharper or something to that effect. I don't think there's an agenda but it was a very bizarre thing to say at that time of the game.

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  • We Are..... said...

    Here's my honest QB assessment............I don't think either one is very good and people like myself who are Team Bolden are going to have to come to grips with the fact that despite all his physical tools, he really shows no basic instincts out there, and that's hard to teach if not impossible. McGloin on the over hand does not possess great physical skills but looks mode natural out there. However, he seems to have that Brett Favre mentality with a sub Chad Pennington arm. Not a good combination. Now here's the part that gonna really piss some of you off............I don't think there's really a lot Jay can do to correct their deficiencies.

    I'm not sure how you can argue with it. You can't teach instincts at any position and you can't teach arm strength. What he could do along with Galen is call a game plan suited to the strength of the kids in there. That is about it IMO.

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  • We Are..... said...

    Here's my honest QB assessment............I don't think either one is very good and people like myself who are Team Bolden are going to have to come to grips with the fact that despite all his physical tools, he really shows no basic instincts out there, and that's hard to teach if not impossible. McGloin on the over hand does not possess great physical skills but looks mode natural out there. However, he seems to have that Brett Favre mentality with a sub Chad Pennington arm. Not a good combination. Now here's the part that gonna really piss some of you off............I don't think there's really a lot Jay can do to correct their deficiencies.

    I don't understand the lack of faith in Bolden's ability to improve. If you agree with pdiehm's assessment in his thread (and I did for the most part), out of 15 pass plays he ran, 3 were so FUBAR, there was nothing he could have done differently. Of the other 12, pdiehm felt Bolden made the right decision and/or throw 9 times. Amongst the 3 "negative" plays, he included the throw that hit Brown in the hands and his scramble on 3rd an 14 when everyone was covered, just because he didn't slide. He can only take what the defense gives him based on the play called by the coaches. If he ran the plays as designed and made the right decision/throw at that high of a percentage, IMO, he did pretty well. All he needs is more reps.

    This post was edited by psujmc1992 on 9/5/2011 at 5:06 PM

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  • psujmc1992 said...

    I don't understand the lack of faith in Bolden's ability to improve. If you agree with pdiehm's assessment in his thread (and I did for the most part), out of 15 pass plays he ran, 3 were so FUBAR, there was nothing he could have done differently. Of the other 12, pdiehm felt Bolden made the right decision and/or throw 9 times. Amongst the 3 "negative" plays, he included the throw that hit Brown in the hands and his scramble on 3rd an 14 when everyone was covered, just because he didn't slide. He can only take what the defense gives him based on the play called by the coaches. If he ran the plays as designed and made the right decision/throw at that high of a percentage, IMO, he did pretty well. All he needs is more reps.

    I hope your right, but he just doesn't look comfortable back there. I also don't think he's a natural leader, JMO. I can't really put my finger on it, but he just kinda looks lost out there. I'm not saying Bolden will be one of those guys, but its not like we've never seen a guy with a million dollar arm stink at the position.

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  • I just want one of them to step up. If that happens, PSU becomes a pretty tough football team.

    99psulion

  • psujmc1992 said...

    After 5 Bolden passes, including 4 that hit the receivers in the hands, and 2 McGloin passes (a good pass to Moye and a poorly thrown ball to Brown), the announcers claimed McGloin was looking sharper or something to that effect. I don't think there's an agenda but it was a very bizarre thing to say at that time of the game.

    Yep. BEFORE MM even stepped onto the field they were already hinting about how Bolden did nothing for himself. Granted he didn't throw for 200 yards, but he did fine. They acted as if he hit a defender in the chest with the ball and fumbled the ball also.....all in a matter of 3 plays.

    md154

  • md154 said...

    Yep. BEFORE MM even stepped onto the field they were already hinting about how Bolden did nothing for himself. Granted he didn't throw for 200 yards, but he did fine. They acted as if he hit a defender in the chest with the ball and fumbled the ball also.....all in a matter of 3 plays.

    They said they were at one of the practices during the week and that McGloin was the better QB that day, but that JayPa said the staff charted everything in the preseason and that they both ended up pretty even. So I think what happened was, they went into the game expecting MM to be the better QB/ already believing he was the better QB. This was why they came across pro-McGloin during the game...I'm not saying they're right or wrong, I just think thats why they came across the way they did.

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  • We Are..... said...

    Here's my honest QB assessment............I don't think either one is very good and people like myself who are Team Bolden are going to have to come to grips with the fact that despite all his physical tools, he really shows no basic instincts out there, and that's hard to teach if not impossible. McGloin on the over hand does not possess great physical skills but looks mode natural out there. However, he seems to have that Brett Favre mentality with a sub Chad Pennington arm. Not a good combination. Now here's the part that gonna really piss some of you off............I don't think there's really a lot Jay can do to correct their deficiencies.

    i agree with this.. if we combined the two guys, we'd have a really good qb on our hands and a diverse offense.. i also think it's good that we have both guys tho because i don't see the starter making it the rest of the season, the oline is going to get one of them injured and bolden runs recklessly when he scrambles..

    also, whoever starts has to learn how to take a sack or throw it away.. i think the reason we saw so little sacks and so many ints last season was bc the qb (whoever it was) tried to force it when the pressure came.

    This post was edited by BaltLions24 on 9/5/2011 at 9:36 PM

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  • Both QBs have their issues. Bolden can't read the field quickly enough. FM thinks he has a cannon of an arm.

    Shame Sto Rox has sub-par academics and Paul Jones never got it together academically. Oh well, maybe one day things will pan out.

    FireJayPa

  • Let's face it...simply put, both qb's have gotten worse, not better.

    I was in the Bolden camp before the season, but he just looks so uncomfortable out there.
    You can sugar coat it all you want, but he passed for a whopping 32 yards...against Indiana freaking State. He's really bad.

    Where would he transfer to now? I don't know of any schools that are looking for a QB that consistently stares down receivers, has zero pocket presence, and wouldn't know the first thing about reading a defense....

    ....sad part is, mcgloin may be worse.

    Shundo

  • Shundo said...

    Let's face it...simply put, both qb's have gotten worse, not better.

    I was in the Bolden camp before the season, but he just looks so uncomfortable out there. You can sugar coat it all you want, but he passed for a whopping 32 yards...against Indiana freaking State. He's really bad.

    He was 2 dropped passes from a 66 com % and over 100 yards with 2 tds...

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  • 99psulion said...

    I just want one of them to step up. If that happens, PSU becomes a pretty tough football team.

    Agreed!

    Right now we have two QB's who are average at best. It seems like none of these guys want to grab the reigns of this offense and take full control. Until one of these two does that, we will see mediocre play on offense in the passing game, IMO.

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  • md154 said...

    - I'll get this one out of the way first, there was most certainly a different play book for each quarterback in the 1st half. (which is what many, including the announcers, used to compare both guys) It got a LITTLE better in the 2nd for Bolden with some more basic throws, but it was still odd to see why it was so different. Perhaps the coaches just didn't want to show certain things from each QB at this stage.

    - The biggest difference for me with both QB's on actual throws is that Bolden seems to get the ball in a place where the receivers still can do something after the catch. He even seemed to do this while under pressure. He is no where near perfect at this stage, but he delivered 3-4 balls on point, in the face of pressure, that I felt was impressive. In contrast, even on MM's completions in the first half, they were not accurately thrown. The one to Brown over the middle, Brown had to stop and go down to catch. If it was throw to his hands, he catches and turns up field to gain at least another 5. The play action to Moye, he also had to slow down and come back for the ball. So while we give him credit for the completion, to me, this is what makes MM more of a solid backup than a starter. Sure he can get the ball to that area, but he doesn't get it into a position where the receiver can do something with it.

    - I would have liked to see RB look for 2nd and 3rd options more, however I can't really say he had the time to do it. Anytime he stepped back for more than a 3 step drop, he had a man in his face quickly. Some say it was because he failed to recognize a blitz, maybe so. On the other hand, some were simply cases of the o-line getting blown up. (similar to MM's near INT where the center got rolled over) I'd like to see us bring an extra guy in for protection on those 5 step drops and give Bolden a little more time to see if he can survey the field better.

    - To me, Bolden did look better in some situations. All throws were pretty accurate, minus the throw to Moye in the end zone. (Wrong route??) He delivered nice balls in the face of pressure. I also felt he moved around the pocket a little more when he felt it collapsing. (the run, the short pass to Dukes in the 3rd quarter)

    - The talk about Bolden just sitting by himself on the sidelines where MM stood with Big Red is nonsense. When MM was in the game in the 2nd, Bolden was standing right there next to MM. It seemed like the BTN had an agenda to support MM so they showed BOlden on the bench at the end of the game and tried to make an issue. He was clearly standing near Red in the 2nd quarter watching the game.

    - Minus the one drive, MM did fine. He made his completions. But in all honesty, any D1 QB could make those completions on those drives, with those play calls. So when I hear about "the team scores with him", it just makes no sense. You mean to tell me RB, or PJ, or Morelli couldn't make those 2 screen passes, or that short pass to Brown, or that play action to Moye?

    - Overall....nothing was solved. I know I prefer Bolden...but I honestly felt he showed the most improvement of both, which wasn't exactly a ton. I have a feeling he is the guy, and MM's post game comments were him trying to proclaim why it should be him, even though it isn't.

    MM is a capable backup...and I am fine with him there. But I don't see us going anywhere long term with him, even on completions, when the receiver has to come back for it all the time, or go down low for it. I have no problem with MM coming into a game if RB is struggling big time. But to get somewhere, I think you need to give RB the shot to grow this season. He made some great throws in the face of pressure....and that IS important. Can he improve pre-snap? Most certainly. But that comes with experience AND coaching.

    +1000000. I agree with everything you said Sir. Bolden needs to start both for the season, and the future of the program... The choice is so simple to me, it's amazing. The staff handled him very poorly last season (no playing time down the stretch)... But if he is given the chance to grow and LEARN from EXPERIENCE, he could be a great one. He needs to play and go through growing pains. McGloin's ceiling is what it is right now. You let the talent play and learn from their mistakes. Period. In fact, not only is Bolden's ceiling higher, but he has shown more talent than McGloin right now (granted, it was only one game)... But all reports, including Sean's sources, and a few others on here have said that Bolden has looked more impressive. Let the kid play.

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  • ejb5212 said...

    He was 2 dropped passes from a 66 com % and over 100 yards with 2 tds...

    Sugar Coating 101

    Shundo

  • Shundo said...

    Sugar Coating 101

    Well I'm just confused... you're talking about how awful he is because he threw for 32 yards... If you think those passes should have been caught either add them to the stats or dont compare stats.... if you dont think those passes should have been caught then you must have super super low expectations

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