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  • danmcc said...

    Good first post start.

    I am not a big fan of the post grad experienced player free agency system.

    Although it is allowed by NCAA rules I read somewhere that the SEC does not allow it. It seems they have figured out it is an unfair advantage, perhaps the Big Ten could follow their lead or god forbid the NCAA actually do something.

    I'm pretty sure the SEC does allow it. An Oregon QB transferred to Ole Miss under the rule regarding graduate programs.

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  • psubills62 said...

    I'm pretty sure the SEC does allow it. An Oregon QB transferred to Ole Miss under the rule regarding graduate programs.

    I stand corrected, apparently what I had read was incorrect. Massoli article linked with NCAA granting permission.

    Ole Miss quarterback Jeremiah Masoli eligible for 2010 - ESPN

    Ole Miss quarterback Jeremiah Masoli, who was told he wouldn't be eligibile until the 2011 season earlier this week, has been cleared to play immediately, a school source told ESPN's Joe Schad.

    sports.espn.go.com

    danmcc

  • danmcc said...

    Good first post start.

    I am not a big fan of the post grad experienced player free agency system.

    Although it is allowed by NCAA rules I read somewhere that the SEC does not allow it. It seems they have figured out it is an unfair advantage, perhaps the Big Ten could follow their lead or god forbid the NCAA actually do something.

    I think its one of the things the NCAA has actually gotten right. A lot of times coaches change, a guy ends up hating the school, whatever. This at least gives them incentive to graduate and leave. And hey, what if they actually do want to get into graduate school in a program they do not offer at that school? Seriously the NCAA does so many things that reek of not rewarding getting a good, solid degree, this is one thing they got right.

    MTayl72

  • MTayl72 said...

    I think its one of the things the NCAA has actually gotten right. A lot of times coaches change, a guy ends up hating the school, whatever. This at least gives them incentive to graduate and leave. And hey, what if they actually do want to get into graduate school in a program they do not offer at that school? Seriously the NCAA does so many things that reek of not rewarding getting a good, solid degree, this is one thing they got right.

    I agree with your point from the athletes perspective for mobility but it still seems an unfair advantage for the school receiving the athlete. I truly think Wisconsin would have been a pedestrian team last year without Wilson. His immediate inclusion on the team effected the Big Ten conference outcome. I just don't think that is right.

    A alternative that suits the athlete is to allow them to transfer for the post grad degree but they still have to sit out 1 year without losing eligibility. JMO

    danmcc

  • danmcc said...

    I agree with your point from the athletes perspective for mobility but it still seems an unfair advantage for the school receiving the athlete. I truly think Wisconsin would have been a pedestrian team last year without Wilson. His immediate inclusion on the team effected the Big Ten conference outcome. I just don't think that is right.

    A alternative that suits the athlete is to allow them to transfer for the post grad degree but they still have to sit out 1 year without losing eligibility. JMO

    Still punish the kid. Unfair for the school receiving him because they have an advantage? ITS RECRUITING. Step on up.

    MTayl72

  • MTayl72 said...

    Still punish the kid. Unfair for the school receiving him because they have an advantage? ITS RECRUITING. Step on up.

    I don't see it as punishing the kid. Remember it is about the kid getting a post graduate degree and this rule being an incentive for the kid to do so. As far as this is recruiting, yes, but there is a difference between recruiting a High School stud and a very experienced college player. That is apples and oranges.

    I am not an advocate of punishing the kid but I just don't agree with veteran college player free agency. If it is truly about the degree and athletics is a vehicle to get there then sitting out one year should not be a big deal. Particularly if the school is paying the freight.

    This post was edited by danmcc on 2/15/2012 at 10:04 AM

    danmcc

  • danmcc said...

    I don't see it as punishing the kid. Remember it is about the kid getting a post graduate degree and this rule being an incentive for the kid to do so. As far as this is recruiting, yes, but there is a difference between recruiting a High School stud and a very experienced college player. That is apples and oranges.

    I am not an advocate of punishing the kid but I just don't agree with veteran college player free agency. If it is truly about the degree and athletics is a vehicle to get there then sitting out one year should not be a big deal. Particularly if the school is paying the freight.

    Why would he have to sit out a year? There is no good reason, then he should have transferred earlier and said screw graduating. Horrible incentive structure. College free agency, whatever. Coaches leave these kids and the school brings in guys who crap all over the kids when they get there. This is a good program for kids to GRADUATE and leave to somewhere they fit and will be happy. Good for them.

    MTayl72

  • MTayl72 said...

    Why would he have to sit out a year? There is no good reason, then he should have transferred earlier and said screw graduating. Horrible incentive structure. College free agency, whatever. Coaches leave these kids and the school brings in guys who crap all over the kids when they get there. This is a good program for kids to GRADUATE and leave to somewhere they fit and will be happy. Good for them.

    I don't follow what appears to be a contradiction in your case. My solution actually gives them an extra year free education to achieve advanced degrees. That should be a significant incentive if this is about the kids education and not about athletic mobility/free agency. My solution is all about GRADUATING and mobility with an extra year to obtain ADVANCED DEGREES.

    I think we agree here except for the immediate eligibility to play.

    This post was edited by danmcc on 2/15/2012 at 10:15 AM

    danmcc

  • danmcc said...

    I think we agree here except for the immediate eligibility to play.

    Yep

    MTayl72