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McQueary's testimony...

  • appoo said...

    I would never use that kind of explicit language to my Grandfather.

    The word rape? I would... Especially in this situation. He is discussing specifically what he saw. And JOE IS NOT HIS FATHER. He's a grown ass man... 28. He is being specifically asked what he thinks it was. Sorry. Say it. That's how you prevent this from happening... I understand that Joe is a figure in the community, but he has to go to him and be completely candid IMO... I mean Joe can obviously connect the dots, and he was clear that he didn't SEE penetration, but if Joe asks, "So what do you think happened Mike?" And you talk about rhytmic slapping, just say it. Talking about rhytmic slapping is pretty explicit... We are talking about rape here, we are all adults. SAY IT

    This post was edited by rmj147 on 12/16/2011 at 11:44 AM

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  • The word rape is used on network TV... Not a censorable word...

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  • bonovoxpsu said...

    MM never used those words.

    Correct. The grand jury presentment writer took a huge liberty putting the terms 'anal rape' and 'sodomy' into the document. Personally I think that was borderline criminal and played a big part in the 'public's conviction' of JoePa.

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  • appoo said...

    Good point on the perjury point, but with failure to report, it was my understanding that Schultz was Curley's superior. And according today's testimony Schultz held a great deal of power with regards to police, and it almost seemed standard PSU policy to report to him criminal and safety matters. It seems like Curley did in fact report - and then just acted as Schultz's mouthpiece. Of course it's the perjury that is a felony. His testimony to the GJ will be interesting.

    Finally, it is incredibly hard to read this stuff and try to be objective, because it's always on your head that it's children this stuff is happening to. Well done tdiddy. This is brutal testimony to recap.

    I don't think Curley reported to Schultz. I think that they were both Dept Heads who reported directly to Spanier. Curley's responsibility was to report to CYS. Schultz never relayed any message within his own Dept and looks very guilty.

    My main lingering question now...where is Spanier's testimony? Why has he not been involved in this process yet whatsoever? These guys undoubtedly talked to him. That's where the real dirt happened.

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  • rmj147 said...

    rape? I would... Especially in this situation. He's a grown ass man... 28. Sorry. Say it. That's how you prevent this from happening...

    well for one thing McQ just said he never saw anal rape or sodomy. For another, he made Joe well aware they Sanduaky sexually molested a child in the shower. Not using "anal rape" is absolutely no defense for Paterno, Curley, or Schultz. All of them were absolutely told that a crime involving a child was comitted in PSU facilities. JoePa took the correct course of actions, and may have done more. But the.defense of "not knowing a crime occured", is not a valid one
    Assuming Red's not lying.

    This od course

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  • You PSU fans are scum bags and in complete denial. You ate the only ones thinking Joe PA did the right thing. What would you have done if a man told you that a grown man was naked in a shower having sexual acts and ass slapping? The entire nation is sick if how messed up your fanbase is that you would parade in the street over someone who covered up child abuse for a decade.

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  • tdiddy said...

    I don't think Curley reported to Schultz. I think that they were both Dept Heads who reported directly to Spanier. Curley's responsibility was to report to CYS. Schultz never relayed any message within his own Dept and looks very guilty.

    My main lingering question now...where is Spanier's testimony? Why has he not been involved in this process yet whatsoever? These guys undoubtedly talked to him. That's where the real dirt happened.

    Yeah, a little strange diddy... I think Spanier is very highly suspect to say the least... Something happened in that part of the chain...

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  • OSUmidwest said...

    You PSU fans are scum bags and in complete denial. You ate the only ones thinking Joe PA did the right thing. What would you have done if a man told you that a grown man was naked in a shower having sexual acts and ass slapping? The entire nation is sick if how messed up your fanbase is that you would parade in the street over someone who covered up child abuse for a decade.

    Troll and someone who struggles with comprehension and critical thinking. Do you perhaps work with ESPN?

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  • OSUmidwest said...

    You PSU fans are scum bags and in complete denial. You ate the only ones thinking Joe PA did the right thing. What would you have done if a man told you that a grown man was naked in a shower having sexual acts and ass slapping? The entire nation is sick if how messed up your fanbase is that you would parade in the street over someone who covered up child abuse for a decade.

    We ate the only ones who think Joe did the right thing? No wonder they haven't been hanging around lately. So when are cannibal charges brought up? Hm, that is a crime, right? Have you reported it to the authorities, or do we need to call ESPN and tell them you haven't done your duty?

    This post was edited by psubills62 on 12/16/2011 at 11:51 AM

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  • BTW, the first step in a cover up is to actually cover it up

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  • OSUmidwest said...

    You PSU fans are scum bags and in complete denial. You ate the only ones thinking Joe PA did the right thing. What would you have done if a man told you that a grown man was naked in a shower having sexual acts and ass slapping? The entire nation is sick if how messed up your fanbase is that you would parade in the street over someone who covered up child abuse for a decade.

    The whole nation comdemned the Duke Lacrosse team before the trial too dipsitck. Why not wait until the facts are on the table before you convict a fan base or someone not even charged with a crime. Worry about your own little dirty house and let the justice system convinct the CRIMINALS in this case.

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  • appoo said...

    well for one thing McQ just said he never saw anal rape or sodomy. For another, he made Joe well aware they Sanduaky sexually molested a child in the shower. Not using "anal rape" is absolutely no defense for Paterno, Curley, or Schultz. All of them were absolutely told that a crime involving a child was comitted in PSU facilities. JoePa took the correct course of actions, and may have done more. But the.defense of "not knowing a crime occured", is not a valid one Assuming Red's not lying.

    This od course

    Look at my edit... I edited it because I realized I was not thorough enough and a reply like this would happen... I realize that he did not say "rape", but if the convo with Joe is happening and Joe is putting the dots together right there and asks MM flat out "So what do you think happened here Mike, what are you tellin me?" MM thought Sandusky was MOLESTING a kid... Rape, fondling, etc. WHO CARES. It's a 60 something yr old man, alone in a shower with a 10 yr old in the middle of the night on a Friday, during spring break with no one around! Just say it. I don't care how much respect you have for Joe. Make it clear. That's why this is such a friggin mess now. "Oh I respected Joe so much that I wouldn't use that language." ARE YOU KIDDING ME? If you think a child was raped, sorry inconvenience Joe's grown ass ears for a second and TALK. Sorry. MM is 28 at this time and is not a kid himself. He's a grown ass man. The conversation is already one discussing the molestation of a little boy with Joe (a grandfather figure). You are already talking about molestation with him... What's the problem? That response from MM is troubling to me. If MM was being molested, could you tell your grandfather? Or would you not want to "use that type of language". Get outta here with that.

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  • So all you take out of that is that my iPhone auto corrected a wrong word. Wow we are talking about a coach being told by his assistant 10 years ago that another assistant is having sex with a kid in the shower and all your concerned about is my spelling?? Just like in the press conference with the board when the first question is will their be a game on Saturday! Jo PA covered up a sex crime! Get with reality!

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  • OSUmidwest said...

    So all you take out of that is that my iPhone auto corrected a wrong word. Wow we are talking about a coach being told by his assistant 10 years ago that another assistant is having sex with a kid in the shower and all your concerned about is my spelling?? Just like in the press conference with the board when the first question is will their be a game on Saturday! Jo PA covered up a sex crime! Get with reality!

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  • OSUmidwest said...

    So all you take out of that is that my iPhone auto corrected a wrong word. Wow we are talking about a coach being told by his assistant 10 years ago that another assistant is having sex with a kid in the shower and all your concerned about is my spelling?? Just like in the press conference with the board when the first question is will their be a game on Saturday! Jo PA covered up a sex crime! Get with reality!

    By covering it up, you mean reporting it up the chain...good call genius. Why hasn't Joe been charged then moron? Look,,,,if you're not intelligent enough to decipher the facts then don't talk on a subject. You are exactly right though, this is what the nation is thinking....ESPN can feed the stupids all day long and they buy it.

    This post has been edited 3 times, most recently by LaJollaLion on 12/16/2011 at 12:03 PM

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  • OSUmidwest said...

    You PSU fans are scum bags and in complete denial. You ate the only ones thinking Joe PA did the right thing. What would you have done if a man told you that a grown man was naked in a shower having sexual acts and ass slapping? The entire nation is sick if how messed up your fanbase is that you would parade in the street over someone who covered up child abuse for a decade.

    I think Joe should have done more and agreed with him being fired... I didn't agree with the way the BOT did it (thought it was classless). But there are plenty of us that are older and were OK with Joe being gone... However, to go out there and bash an entire alumni, school, fan base, shows very little class or perspective on your part. I personally know someone that was molested and take this situation very seriously. You are an assclown.

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  • OSUmidwest said...

    So all you take out of that is that my iPhone auto corrected a wrong word.

    Actually, all I got out of it is that you're an asshole and not a very bright one either.

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  • OSUmidwest said...

    So all you take out of that is that my iPhone auto corrected a wrong word. Wow we are talking about a coach being told by his assistant 10 years ago that another assistant is having sex with a kid in the shower and all your concerned about is my spelling?? Just like in the press conference with the board when the first question is will their be a game on Saturday! Jo PA covered up a sex crime! Get with reality!

    So by telling the head of campus police, a man who worked closely with the chief, and whom everyone at PSU retorted to with matters of a criminal or safety issue, and then following up with the eye witness to see if it was resolved to his satisfaction, Joe covered up a crime? Joe really sucks at covering up.

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  • OSUmidwest said...

    So all you take out of that is that my iPhone auto corrected a wrong word. Wow we are talking about a coach being told by his assistant 10 years ago that another assistant is having sex with a kid in the shower and all your concerned about is my spelling?? Just like in the press conference with the board when the first question is will their be a game on Saturday! Jo PA covered up a sex crime! Get with reality!

    Reality is that you're a troll who has no business being on here. Reality is that you have a limited at best grasp of facts. Reality is that I really don't have a need to feed the trolls, so yes, I'm going to belittle your spelling because it's not worth our time to rebut all the massive holes in your OSU-style logic.

    Reality also heavily involves the ignore button.

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  • rmj147 said...

    I think Joe should have done more and agreed with him being fired... I didn't agree with the way the BOT did it (thought it was classless). But there are plenty of us that are older and were OK with Joe being gone... However, to go out there and bash an entire alumni, school, fan base, shows very little class or perspective on your part. I personally know someone that was molested and take this situation very seriously. You are an assclown.

    Really, what more should Joe have done? we know he followed up with McQuery, and he may have followed up with Curley/Schultz.

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  • OSUmidwest said...

    So all you take out of that is that my iPhone auto corrected a wrong word. Wow we are talking about a coach being told by his assistant 10 years ago that another assistant is having sex with a kid in the shower and all your concerned about is my spelling?? Just like in the press conference with the board when the first question is will their be a game on Saturday! Jo PA covered up a sex crime! Get with reality!

    Who's reality? The DA is not prosecuting him... I do not know for a fact whether it was a cover up or not... Should he have done more- absolutely in my mind. I take child molestation very seriously. And IMO, he should be gone for dumb ass negligence (unless it comes out that Spanier or someone censored him from doing more- but which I see as unlikely because Joe basically said no to being fired by Curley and Spanier in 2004, he appeared to be god and answered to no one)... But there is very little evidence to say that it was an active cover up... What reality are you living in?

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  • appoo said...

    Really, what more should Joe have done? we know he followed up with McQuery, and he may have followed up with Curley/Schultz.

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  • Did Joe PA call the police yes or no?? I'll wait with the birds chirping in the background. There is a reason the man got fired.

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  • OSUmidwest said...

    Jo PA covered up a sex crime!

    where the hell did you get that conclusion from? Have you read a single post in this thread, or did you come over here with the specific intention to troll regardless of facts?

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  • rmj147 said...

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    agree - everyone should have done this. MM, Paterno, Curley, Shultz.

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