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McQueary's testimony...

  • POV said...

    Now, Curley is police. Okay, Mike.

    Typical company protocal ... it is the superiors duty ...

    If winning was easy even losers would do it.

    Lang06

  • tdiddy said...

    On why he didn't call the police himself...it was delicate in nature and I tried to use my best judgment in my opinion. Schultz's lawyer...'So your best judgment was leaving the naked boy in the shower with Sandusky?' McQ...I was sure the act was over.

    Wow...

    That last comment made by the attorney should not have been said ... hopefully withdrawn.

    If winning was easy even losers would do it.

    Lang06

  • FireJayPa said...

    Not saying Joe was part of the cover-up perse.

    Just saying, McQ goes to Joe. Joe says, hang on tight I'll get back to you - let me talk to these other guys. McQ meets with them several days later. At worst it's a cover-up at best it's horrible judgement

    The thing that bothers me most about posts much like this is that people seem to forget how sensitive information/accusation like this is.

    As all of us have witnessed, this can damage people permanently ... you just don't go screaming through the village. Gain some perspective.

    If winning was easy even losers would do it.

    Lang06

  • Former police chief Harmon said Shulz never talked to him about the 2002 incident. McQueary's old man is on the stand now.

    Itzsessil

  • Schultz is screwed based on Harmon's testimony, no?

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  • I would think so.

    Itzsessil

  • Lang06 said...

    The thing that bothers me most about posts much like this is that people seem to forget how sensitive information/accusation like this is.

    As all of us have witnessed, this can damage people permanently ... you just don't go screaming through the village. Gain some perspective.

    I think McQ genuinely thought Schultz was the equivalent of the Police. When he relayed his account to Curley and Schultz, he viewed it as telling the Police. However, his testimony is inconsistent otherwise. He saw no actual proof of intercourse. His best glance of JS and the child while engaged was an angled view through the reflection of a mirror from some distance. His closer view was after the pair had separated, and he didn't notice an erection from JS. The child never uttered cries for help nor showed any physical signs of trauma or distress. It's just very unconvincing as far as the law is concerned. Yet, he definitively claimed sexual acts were occurring to Curley/Schultz. Even if they looked into it, McQ's eyewitness testimony wasn't enough to take further action. The only other accounts would've been JS and the child. JS would've explained it away. Has the child ever been identified or given an account? We would all like to think that people would go beyond their normal responsibilities with an accusation like this, but considering MM's story, the defense will be able to rationalize Curley's actions in the eyes of the law. Schultz is a different matter depending on his course of action after hearing the allegations.

    This post was edited by tdiddy on 12/16/2011 at 10:44 AM

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  • FireJayPa said...

    That sounds like a cover up to me. That's not good.

    What I was thinking. Legally he's still in the clear, because he did alert his superiors, but what is there to think about when on of your (basically) employees tells you somebody close to the program was seen 'fondling' a little boy?

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  • McQ's father says Schultz told him in '02 that there had been 'other noise' about Sandusky's improper acts with children (referring to '98 investigation). Schultz said that they've looked into it before but were never able to sink their teeth into it without more substantial evidence.

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  • Texas Lion said...

    What I was thinking. Legally he's still in the clear, because he did alert his superiors, but what is there to think about when on of your (basically) employees tells you somebody close to the program was seen 'fondling' a little boy?

    That's why they are in court ... if they would have filed something with the real police it would have been a non issue.

    The police wouldn't have had enough to charge Sandusky, IMO, and it would have fallen off as such. We wouldn't have been in this position had they simply called the police.

    If winning was easy even losers would do it.

    Lang06

  • tdiddy typo there, McQuery was referring to Schultz. "Like talking to the DA". Later on the chief of police sort of cotroborated that. Everyone went to Schultz with Criminal and safety complaints and that they worked closely together. He also said Schultz was kept upto date on 1998 investigations.

    Another key thing Red said, Joe.followed up with him a couple of times, and asked him if he was ok with resolution and how he was holding up. He also said his Father and Dr.Dranov followed up with Schultz, in person.

    Everyone BUT schultz did the legal and moral right thing - and Schultz was the foley for

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  • More from Red's dad...

    - Didn't describe 'thrusting' to Schultz. But said that Jerry was directly behind the kid while Mike heard slapping sounds. "You don't have to be a rocket scientist to figure out that would resemble thrusting. It makes a sound."

    - To that limit, it was the sound of thrusting. I think that was what Mike was referring to (when he referenced the sounds).

    - Doesn't recall Schultz following up with him after their meeting

    - On the surface, it didn't appear that they were looking into it much...but he's not in a position to say Schultz did nothing.

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  • POV said...

    objection sustained? Isn't the credibility of a witness important? Telling different versions would be relevant to this case, imo.

    It's heresay. They can call Dravanov to the stand and weigh his credibility vs. MM. That's how things are done in court...

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  • 2002 incident was definitely never reported to CYS services or law enforcement.

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    tdiddy

  • McQuery Family - Did everything they were suppose to, thwarted by Schultz who they believe ran campus PD. He certainly talked like it to.

    JoePa - Did the right thing in talking to Curley/Schultz and arranging meeting with them and Red. Followed up with McQuery.

    Curley - glorified secretary. Why was he charged?

    Schultz - thwarted a police investigation of a man he KNEW was investigated before for child molestation. Probably lied about an investigation to all parties

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  • appoo said...

    Curley - glorified secretary. Why was he charged?

    He was charged with failure to report (which was his responsibility as AD) and perjury for claiming that McQ never notified him of an act of sexual nature occurring in Lasch. If McQ's testimony holds, both of those charges are still definitely in play. McQ was firm about the fact that he said something of sexual nature was occurring in Lasch, and it has been verified that no one at CYS was ever notified about the incident.

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    tdiddy

  • Yeah at this point Curley looks dumb, and Shulz looks guilty.

    Itzsessil

  • appoo said...

    McQuery Family - Did everything they were suppose to, thwarted by Schultz who they believe ran campus PD. He certainly talked like it to.

    JoePa - Did the right thing in talking to Curley/Schultz and arranging meeting with them and Red. Followed up with McQuery.

    Curley - glorified secretary. Why was he charged?

    Schultz - thwarted a police investigation of a man he KNEW was investigated before for child molestation. Probably lied about an investigation to all parties

    Did Shultz have close ties to Sandusky? His behavior might be interpreted as protecting Jerry.

    psumichael

  • Final add-on from defense...records of unfounded reports to CYS cannot be held for more than 12 months. Creating possibility that Curley did report, but since accusation was unfounded, it was destroyed.

    Recess until 1:45. Judge will then read GA testimony of Curley, Schultz, and Paterno.

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    tdiddy

  • Joe did ask him if he was OK with this arrangement... How can you be OK with it and never say that more has to be done??? And I'm sorry, I respect Joe, but I would still be able to convey that I thought the kid was being raped in the butt... I have talked to my father describing this whole mess and used anal rape, raping a kid, etc... And I respect my father more than Joe Pa... Just saying... That argument is not saving him any face with attorneys or the general public, once they read the official transcript once released... Not too pleased with his testimony, but he did tell Joe, Joe did follow up, so that looks good for Joe... but MM's testimony is not TOTALLY what you want if you're his atty... But it's not completely horrible with holes....

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  • tdiddy said...

    He was charged with failure to report (which was his responsibility as AD) and perjury for claiming that McQ never notified him of an act of sexual nature occurring in Lasch. If McQ's testimony holds, both of those charges are still definitely in play. McQ was firm about the fact that he said something of sexual nature was occurring in Lasch, and it has been verified that no one at CYS was ever notified about the incident.

    Good point on the perjury point, but with failure to report, it was my understanding that Schultz was Curley's superior. And according today's testimony Schultz held a great deal of power with regards to police, and it almost seemed standard PSU policy to report to him criminal and safety matters. It seems like Curley did in fact report - and then just acted as Schultz's mouthpiece. Of course it's the perjury that is a felony. His testimony to the GJ will be interesting.

    Finally, it is incredibly hard to read this stuff and try to be objective, because it's always on your head that it's children this stuff is happening to. Well done tdiddy. This is brutal testimony to recap.

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    appoo

  • rmj147 said...

    It's heresay. They can call Dravanov to the stand and weigh his credibility vs. MM. That's how things are done in court...

    No, it's not hearsay. Dranov testifying to what he was told (as opposed to the truth of what he was told) is not hearsay.

    psume06

  • rmj147 said...

    Joe did ask him if he was OK with this arrangement... How can you be OK with it and never say that more has to be done??? And I'm sorry, I respect Joe, but I would still be able to convey that I thought the kid was being raped in the butt... I have talked to my father describing this whole mess and used anal rape, raping a kid, etc... And I respect my father more than Joe Pa... Just saying... That argument is not saving him any face with attorneys or the general public, once they read the official transcript once released... Not too pleased with his testimony, but he did tell Joe, Joe did follow up, so that looks good for Joe... but MM's testimony is not TOTALLY what you want if you're his atty... But it's not completely horrible with holes....

    MM never used those words.

    This post was edited by bonovoxpsu on 12/16/2011 at 11:35 AM

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  • rmj147 said...

    Joe did ask him if he was OK with this arrangement... How can you be OK with it and never say that more has to be done??? And I'm sorry, I respect Joe, but I would still be able to convey that I thought the kid was being raped in the butt... I have talked to my father describing this whole mess and used anal rape, raping a kid, etc... And I respect my father more than Joe Pa... Just saying... That argument is not saving him any face with attorneys or the general public, once they read the official transcript once released... Not too pleased with his testimony, but he did tell Joe, Joe did follow up, so that looks good for Joe... but MM's testimony is not TOTALLY what you want if you're his atty... But it's not completely horrible with holes....

    I would never use that kind of explicit language to my Grandfather.

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    appoo

  • psume06 said...

    No, it's not hearsay. Dranov testifying to what he was told (as opposed to the truth of what he was told) is not hearsay.

    MM responding to what Dranov did not say yet is heresay. They have to get it from Dranov himself since, he is their witness. MM cannot testify as to what he thinks Dranov thinks he said. He already testified as to what he told his dad (with Dranov present).

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