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McQueary to testify tomorrow per CBS

  • Wonder which story is told by McQueary- Dranov's version or the original direct eye-witness version. McQueary better be properly vetted by his own attorney or he could be charged with perjury. May get a whole lot of "I don't remember"...

    Tomorrow certainly will be intriguing... I'm ready to hear sworn testimony to finally put some of the media's inferences to rest...

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  • PSUGrad91 said...

    Wonder which story is told by McQueary- Dranov's version or the original direct eye-witness version. McQueary better be properly vetted by his own attorney or he could be charged with perjury. May get a whole lot of "I don't remember"...

    Tomorrow certainly will be intriguing... I'm ready to hear sworn testimony to finally put some of the media's inferences to rest...

    Didn't think the GJ summary actually contained Red's exact testimony, only the summary's paraphrased version.

    Naplesalum

  • Naplesalum said...

    Didn't think the GJ summary actually contained Red's exact testimony, only the summary's paraphrased version.

    Either way, if his story changes, or they do not find him credible, he could be up for perjury... He needs to say the same thing that he said before under oath... If not, he could be in plenty of trouble...

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  • rmj147 said...

    Either way, if his story changes, or they do not find him credible, he could be up for perjury... He needs to say the same thing that he said before under oath... If not, he could be in plenty of trouble...

    Slow down Mary. You do not know if mike has changed his story at all so far. You have had summary and reports of what other people said he said. Mike did not ask to walk in and see Sandusky molesting a child. It seems like some of you want to make mike the criminal in this. I am sure mike did not create a molesting story for shits and giggles.

    Trock56

  • Trock56 said...

    Slow down Mary. You do not know if mike has changed his story at all so far. You have had summary and reports of what other people said he said. Mike did not ask to walk in and see Sandusky molesting a child. It seems like some of you want to make mike the criminal in this. I am sure mike did not create a molesting story for shits and giggles.

    They have his statements under oath. If they feel that he is changing his story, they can bring him up for perjury... Period... I am hoping that he doesn't face them though. "Some of you want to make him criminal?" No. Not me. I am just saying, if you change your story under oath, its perjury... And he would be in trouble. That's the law

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  • rmj147 said...

    They have his statements under oath. If they feel that he is changing his story, they can bring him up for perjury... Period... I am hoping that he doesn't face them though. "Some of you want to make him criminal?" No. Not me. I am just saying, if you change your story under oath, its perjury... And he would be in trouble. That's the law

    nd you do not have a clue what that testimony is. The only thing that has been released is a summary. I think some people are looking to rip mike apart. I can assure you that mike did not make the Sandusky is molesting kids up. sk the oth 9 victims they know about. I think s one of the want to be lawyers should go back to watching law and order and stop pretending like mike is anything more than a coach who walked in on a molestation.

    Trock56

  • All of these victim's cases would be tough on their own - basically the victim's testimony vs. JS's testimony - no physical evidence, most of the alleged sexual abuse happened years ago, Victim's #2 case now might even be a problem as MM's testimony appears very impeachable and we are not sure if Victim #2 was located and if located whether he would testify for JS or the prosecution. The prosecution's strong point would be the number of these cases reflect a pattern of behavior by JS. I would be suprised if any of the Victims' cases do not make it past the preliminary hearing, and then we will have to wait a year or two for the trial. The outcome of the Curley/Shultz preliminary hearing will be the more interesting of the two.

    Knight57

  • Trock56 said...

    nd you do not have a clue what that testimony is. The only thing that has been released is a summary. I think some people are looking to rip mike apart. I can assure you that mike did not make the Sandusky is molesting kids up. sk the oth 9 victims they know about. I think s one of the want to be lawyers should go back to watching law and order and stop pretending like mike is anything more than a coach who walked in on a molestation.

    lol you are talking to a PSU law grad... I am not saying that the grand jury report ARE his statements, only that he has to maintain a similar story. If he backs off or goes with what Dranov is saying, he will be in trouble. That's all I was saying. Maybe you should go to law school, or stop talking to real lawyers that way lol

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  • Knight57 said...

    All of these victim's cases would be tough on their own - basically the victim's testimony vs. JS's testimony - no physical evidence, most of the alleged sexual abuse happened years ago, Victim's #2 case now might even be a problem as MM's testimony appears very impeachable and we are not sure if Victim #2 was located and if located whether he would testify for JS or the prosecution. The prosecution's strong point would be the number of these cases reflect a pattern of behavior by JS. I would be suprised if any of the Victims' cases do not make it past the preliminary hearing, and then we will have to wait a year or two for the trial. The outcome of the Curley/Shultz preliminary hearing will be the more interesting of the two.

    Agreed knight, I'm looking forward to hearing the results of the Curley trial...

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  • rmj147 said...

    lol you are talking to a PSU law grad... I am not saying that the grand jury report ARE his statements, only that he has to maintain a similar story. If he backs off or goes with what Dranov is saying, he will be in trouble. That's all I was saying. Maybe you should go to law school, or stop talking to real lawyers that way lol

    Maybe your statement proves you are more of the ambulance chasing lawyer then a lawyer who is fair and does not live in a media driven system. I am glad you want to law school and a psu one none the less but that being said it does not change for a second your throw it against the wall and see what sticks statement.

    Trock56

  • Trock56 said...

    Maybe your statement proves you are more of the ambulance chasing lawyer then a lawyer who is fair and does not live in a media driven system. I am glad you want to law school and a psu one none the less but that being said it does not change for a second your throw it against the wall and see what sticks statement.

    ??? I am not attacking Mike... I just hope that his story doesn't change. I do not know what to believe, as I was not in the room, and do not know what he saw, said he saw, etc. All I was saying is that what PSUGrad91 was saying is true. If his story changes, he is in trouble, because what was relied on to draft the GJ presentment were his statements UNDER OATH. However, what Naplesalum said is also true. They are not his exact statements, rather a summary as to why there may be enough evidence to go forward with the case against Sandusky. And FYI, I do not chase ambulances lol Thanks though. The hostility has made me laugh. It's obvious that you want to fight, even though I am not attacking anyone lol If his story changes, it is true he could face perjury charges... Did I say it was likely to happen? No. Did I call him a liar? NO. I am sure, like you said, he saw something disturbing... Who would want to make that up??? I am waiting to hear what he says, just like everyone else... I merely said it's possible that he could be in some trouble- IF his story changes and he is no longer viewed as credible... I commented on what others said. And commented on what the law is... What you did was flat out insult me... Petty arguments... Something I do not like to get involved in... Nonetheless, I am doing so here... So have fun making some off pudding snide comment about what type of lawyer I am again lol

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by rmj147 on 12/12/2011 at 5:02 PM

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  • Trock56 said...

    Maybe your statement proves you are more of the ambulance chasing lawyer then a lawyer who is fair and does not live in a media driven system. I am glad you want to law school and a psu one none the less but that being said it does not change for a second your throw it against the wall and see what sticks statement.

    I've read rmj's first post a dozen times and can't figure out why you took it as an accusation rather than a statement that MM needs to be careful about consistent testimony. To then stretch it to ambulance chasing lawyering and throwing crap against the wall?

    helpdesk

  • MM has a lot of things to worry about . . . the least of which is perjury. Witnesses' accounts change all the time, even in multiple sworn proceedings. I'm not suggesting that MM is going to "change" his story, but prosecutors almost never file perjury charges because one of their own witnesses tells two somewhat contradictory stories under oath. Prosecutors threaten such action all the time, but almost never do it.

    Ramblewood1

  • helpdesk said...

    I've read rmj's first post a dozen times and can't figure out why you took it as an accusation rather than a statement that MM needs to be careful about consistent testimony. To then stretch it to ambulance chasing lawyering and throwing crap against the wall?

    THANK YOU helpdesk... Just being extra sensitive and defensive... I didn't attack anyone. Certainly not MM... I actually feel for him in all of this... I will be watching just like everyone else to see what happens with these prelims... +100000 for you Sir.

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  • Ramblewood said...

    MM has a lot of things to worry about . . . the least of which is perjury. Witnesses' accounts change all the time, even in multiple sworn proceedings. I'm not suggesting that MM is going to "change" his story, but prosecutors almost never file perjury charges because one of their own witnesses tells two somewhat contradictory stories under oath. Prosecutors threaten such action all the time, but almost never do it.

    Agreed ramblewood, the actual amount of times that they are filed is few and far between. But one has to wonder with the incredibly public nature of this trial... The court of public opinion would certainly turn on MM and perhaps force the hand of the prosecutor, which also happens a lot. But at any rate, I am hoping for the best possible result for my school... But at this point, I am not even sure what that is... A mess that will probably get worse before it gets better... The truth will definitely come out though... Definitely hoping for the best though over these next few weeks... WE ARE

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  • I hear ya' . . . but I wouldn't be surprised that in the end the biggest "lie" will be the prosecutor's supposedly accurate summation of the witness testimony at the grand jury. I guess we'll see.

    Ramblewood1

  • Ramblewood said...

    I hear ya' . . . but I wouldn't be surprised that in the end the biggest "lie" will be the prosecutor's supposedly accurate summation of the witness testimony at the grand jury. I guess we'll see.

    I just want this to be over... I will def be listening up though... Will be interesting to see what happens.

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  • Trock56 said...

    nd you do not have a clue what that testimony is. The only thing that has been released is a summary. I think some people are looking to rip mike apart. I can assure you that mike did not make the Sandusky is molesting kids up. sk the oth 9 victims they know about. I think s one of the want to be lawyers should go back to watching law and order and stop pretending like mike is anything more than a coach who walked in on a molestation.

    Trock, a summary is a condensation of a lot of information not the creation of new information. It is VERY CLEAR what Mike reported (to the grand jury). We don't know what he told Joe or Curley or anyone else but he told the grand jury he saw a boy being raped. There is NO WAY he gave a very vague description and they misinterpreted what he said. The report was very graphic. We now have a report that a family friend (whose position as a physician, rightly or wrongly, will elevate his credibility) testified that he spoke with Mike IMMEDIATELY after the event, ASKED HIM REPEATEDLY if he saw any sexual activity, and Mike SAID NO. I think it is very reasonable to at least consider the possibility of perjury.

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  • psujmc1992 said...

    Trock, a summary is a condensation of a lot of information not the creation of new information. It is VERY CLEAR what Mike reported (to the grand jury). We don't know what he told Joe or Curley or anyone else but he told the grand jury he saw a boy being raped. There is NO WAY he gave a very vague description and they misinterpreted what he said. The report was very graphic. We now have a report that a family friend (whose position as a physician, rightly or wrongly, will elevate his credibility) testified that he spoke with Mike IMMEDIATELY after the event, ASKED HIM REPEATEDLY if he saw any sexual activity, and Mike SAID NO. I think it is very reasonable to at least consider the possibility of perjury.

    I concur. I think that it is safe to conclude that since the AG did not file perjury charges against JVP, that JVP's testimony about "fondling or something of a sexual nature" that he reported to Curley & Schultz is consistent with what MM testified that he reported to JVP. And with the recent reporting in the newspapers of Dranov's testimony, I think that backs this up.

    BTW: Live in Bellefonte and will not be traveling thru town to work tomorrow. So working @ home and will be monitoring the news periodically for Hearing updates.

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  • I believe the gj report used the phrase "he believed " he saw JS having anal sex. Is it possible that a followup question to MM saying he heard sex sounds was "Did you believe him to be having anal sex?" From which MM could have answered a million different ways. He could of said no not at the time but later the thought occured to me or it was my first thought but i quickly dismissed it because i couldnt fathom Jerry doing that. Or just yes.

    Anyhow I think it is possible that everybody was telling the truth to the gj and that stories havent changed. We will have to wait and see. Its been said many times before but this is why you dont act like you know the whole story based on a summary of a gj report.

    This post was edited by Gunslinger317 on 12/12/2011 at 6:29 PM

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  • I apologize for the misreading of the post. I am just sick of everyone attacking psu, joe, mike. We are turning over rocks and making what if post like we are espn. If mike tells a different story then fine go after him. But you can say that about a lot of witnesses. Mike seems to be bring out hatred like he is the reason joe is gone. Mike is psu. Mike mike would rather be coaching right now then sitting at home receiving death threats. We all should be supporting a witness to this sick crime not throwing out what ifs. Because ther is a very good chance mike has given up his career for something he never wanted to see or witness. Why could he just be like aloof the other psu coaches who do not work late.

    Trock56

  • Gunslinger317 said...

    I believe the gj report used the phrase "he believed " he saw JS having anal sex. Is it possible that a followup question to MM saying he heard sex sounds was "Did you believe him to be having anal sex?" From which MM could have answered a million different ways. He could of said no not at the time but later the thought occured to me or it was my first thought but i quickly dismissed it because i couldnt fathom Jerry doing that. Or just yes.

    Anyhow I think it possible that everybody was telling the truth to the gj and that stories havent changed. We will have to wait and see. Its been said many times before but this is why you dont act like you know the whole story based on a summary of a gj report.

    I just re-read it. He heard sounds that "he believed" to be of sexual activity. There are NO qualifiers for the rest of what he is reported to have seen. Again, the prosecutors cannot make up details in their summary. I'm pretty sure that would be a huge problem professionally and legally.

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  • psujmc1992 said...

    I just re-read it. He heard sounds that "he believed" to be of sexual activity. There are NO qualifiers for the rest of what he is reported to have seen. Again, the prosecutors cannot make up details in their summary. I'm pretty sure that would be a huge problem professionally and legally.

    No you are right. I knew I remembered "believed" to be in there . I shoukdve double checked but dont want to read that thing anymore.

    Gunslinger317

  • psujmc1992 said...

    I just re-read it. He heard sounds that "he believed" to be of sexual activity. There are NO qualifiers for the rest of what he is reported to have seen. Again, the prosecutors cannot make up details in their summary. I'm pretty sure that would be a huge problem professionally and legally.

    And when Bob Costas interviewd JS over the phone phone he drilled JS on the "slap, slap, slapping, slap sounds" that MM heard. Now, I don't know if that was MM's testimony "slap, slap, slapping, slap sounds" (doubt it), but this is an example of journalistic embellishment if you ask me. Just sayin'

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  • Thanks for the replies to my post. Didn't mean to start a disagreement amongst PSU fans. I am a physician and the legal process is interesting to me. Still trying to figure out the Casey Anthony and OJ trials!

    I guess the story will be that he heard the slapping sounds that JS's attorney will try to introduce doubt if it is possible that it was "horseplay". Seems McQueary's testimony may not be as inconsistent as it has been portrayed and assumed in the media...

    We are all sick of the ESPN bottom line destroying the PSU program, Joe and Mike... we are all on the same side in that we want due process for the victims and the truth about Joe, the PSU program, Curley and Spanier to come out. It starts tomorrow...

    PSUGrad91