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PSUGrad91 said...
Wonder which story is told by McQueary- Dranov's version or the original direct eye-witness version. McQueary better be properly vetted by his own attorney or he could be charged with perjury. May get a whole lot of "I don't remember"...
Tomorrow certainly will be intriguing... I'm ready to hear sworn testimony to finally put some of the media's inferences to rest...
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Trock56 said...
Slow down Mary. You do not know if mike has changed his story at all so far. You have had summary and reports of what other people said he said. Mike did not ask to walk in and see Sandusky molesting a child. It seems like some of you want to make mike the criminal in this. I am sure mike did not create a molesting story for shits and giggles.
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rmj147 said...
They have his statements under oath. If they feel that he is changing his story, they can bring him up for perjury... Period... I am hoping that he doesn't face them though. "Some of you want to make him criminal?" No. Not me. I am just saying, if you change your story under oath, its perjury... And he would be in trouble. That's the law
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Trock56 said...
nd you do not have a clue what that testimony is. The only thing that has been released is a summary. I think some people are looking to rip mike apart. I can assure you that mike did not make the Sandusky is molesting kids up. sk the oth 9 victims they know about. I think s one of the want to be lawyers should go back to watching law and order and stop pretending like mike is anything more than a coach who walked in on a molestation.
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Knight57 said...
All of these victim's cases would be tough on their own - basically the victim's testimony vs. JS's testimony - no physical evidence, most of the alleged sexual abuse happened years ago, Victim's #2 case now might even be a problem as MM's testimony appears very impeachable and we are not sure if Victim #2 was located and if located whether he would testify for JS or the prosecution. The prosecution's strong point would be the number of these cases reflect a pattern of behavior by JS. I would be suprised if any of the Victims' cases do not make it past the preliminary hearing, and then we will have to wait a year or two for the trial. The outcome of the Curley/Shultz preliminary hearing will be the more interesting of the two.
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rmj147 said...
lol you are talking to a PSU law grad... I am not saying that the grand jury report ARE his statements, only that he has to maintain a similar story. If he backs off or goes with what Dranov is saying, he will be in trouble. That's all I was saying. Maybe you should go to law school, or stop talking to real lawyers that way lol
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Trock56 said...
Maybe your statement proves you are more of the ambulance chasing lawyer then a lawyer who is fair and does not live in a media driven system. I am glad you want to law school and a psu one none the less but that being said it does not change for a second your throw it against the wall and see what sticks statement.
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Trock56 said...
Maybe your statement proves you are more of the ambulance chasing lawyer then a lawyer who is fair and does not live in a media driven system. I am glad you want to law school and a psu one none the less but that being said it does not change for a second your throw it against the wall and see what sticks statement.
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helpdesk said...
I've read rmj's first post a dozen times and can't figure out why you took it as an accusation rather than a statement that MM needs to be careful about consistent testimony. To then stretch it to ambulance chasing lawyering and throwing crap against the wall?
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Ramblewood said...
MM has a lot of things to worry about . . . the least of which is perjury. Witnesses' accounts change all the time, even in multiple sworn proceedings. I'm not suggesting that MM is going to "change" his story, but prosecutors almost never file perjury charges because one of their own witnesses tells two somewhat contradictory stories under oath. Prosecutors threaten such action all the time, but almost never do it.
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Trock56 said...
nd you do not have a clue what that testimony is. The only thing that has been released is a summary. I think some people are looking to rip mike apart. I can assure you that mike did not make the Sandusky is molesting kids up. sk the oth 9 victims they know about. I think s one of the want to be lawyers should go back to watching law and order and stop pretending like mike is anything more than a coach who walked in on a molestation.
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psujmc1992 said...
Trock, a summary is a condensation of a lot of information not the creation of new information. It is VERY CLEAR what Mike reported (to the grand jury). We don't know what he told Joe or Curley or anyone else but he told the grand jury he saw a boy being raped. There is NO WAY he gave a very vague description and they misinterpreted what he said. The report was very graphic. We now have a report that a family friend (whose position as a physician, rightly or wrongly, will elevate his credibility) testified that he spoke with Mike IMMEDIATELY after the event, ASKED HIM REPEATEDLY if he saw any sexual activity, and Mike SAID NO. I think it is very reasonable to at least consider the possibility of perjury.
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Gunslinger317 said...
I believe the gj report used the phrase "he believed " he saw JS having anal sex. Is it possible that a followup question to MM saying he heard sex sounds was "Did you believe him to be having anal sex?" From which MM could have answered a million different ways. He could of said no not at the time but later the thought occured to me or it was my first thought but i quickly dismissed it because i couldnt fathom Jerry doing that. Or just yes.
Anyhow I think it possible that everybody was telling the truth to the gj and that stories havent changed. We will have to wait and see. Its been said many times before but this is why you dont act like you know the whole story based on a summary of a gj report.
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psujmc1992 said...
I just re-read it. He heard sounds that "he believed" to be of sexual activity. There are NO qualifiers for the rest of what he is reported to have seen. Again, the prosecutors cannot make up details in their summary. I'm pretty sure that would be a huge problem professionally and legally.
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I just re-read it. He heard sounds that "he believed" to be of sexual activity. There are NO qualifiers for the rest of what he is reported to have seen. Again, the prosecutors cannot make up details in their summary. I'm pretty sure that would be a huge problem professionally and legally.





McQueary to testify tomorrow per CBS