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McGloin has to be the starter

  • PSUTimm said...

    What happens if they decide to go with Mac full time, then he comes out and lays an egg vs Iowa? My friggin head explodes, thats what happens!!!!!

    What do you mean "if" McGloin lays an egg? What else does he do against good defenses?

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  • psubills62 said...

    What do you mean "if" McGloin lays an egg? What else does he do against good defenses?

    Where as Bolden....ooopps...he hasn't lit anyone up either. Rock, Hard Place...PSU QB situation. Both are nothing special to watch.

    "One man didn't build this program and one man sure as hell cannot tear it down."

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  • I know we all love to hate on Mcgloin (i'm as guilty as anyone)...but he has shown improvement this year IMO. The past two games he's had 400+ yards passing, 4 Td's and 0 INT's. That blows Bolden's stats out of the water...and Bolden has seen the field more that MM.

    Yes, he has shown a tendency to fold against really good teams....but Bolden is atrocious against the lowest level of competition. It's plain to see that MM has a much better feel for the position and (as much as i hate to say it) he should be the starter.

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  • They are both God Awful!! It's a competition between two massively under coached kids. I thought it was hilarious how the commentators said that Joe really had a lot more to do with the QB's this week in practice, and then said he must be happy with what he's seeing?!?!? pukefacefrustratedfrustratedclap

    At least I'm watching real football tonight, and I know one thing; we will not score against either Wisc or Neb with our offense!!

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  • Shundo said...

    I know we all love to hate on Mcgloin (i'm as guilty as anyone)...but he has shown improvement this year IMO. The past two games he's had 400+ yards passing, 4 Td's and 0 INT's. That blows Bolden's stats out of the water...and Bolden has seen the field more that MM.

    Yes, he has shown a tendency to fold against really good teams....but Bolden is atrocious against the lowest level of competition. It's plain to see that MM has a much better feel for the position and (as much as i hate to say it) he should be the starter.

    Ya know what's funny.....MM gets the majority of his yards AND Tds off a couple of passes, Like today..if it wasn't for the 74 yard TD pass, nobody would be saying "start mcgloin", because his stats would have been no better than RB. Even with it, he was still under 50%.

    Also let's not forget Bolden did lead them down to a TD on the first drive minus the bad penalty. He had 3 nice completions on that drive for like 60 yards. So it's not like Bolden stunk as soon as he came out.

    I think he is simply pressing and trying to make the big play because of looking over his shoulder. Meanwhile MM has less pressure on him because he comes in second, everyone knows he sucks, and any game time he ever got in his career was simply playing with house money.

    I honestly think if Bolden was named the guy and was given a full game or two, he'd be much different and much more relaxed.

    md154

  • md154 said...

    Ya know what's funny.....MM gets the majority of his yards AND Tds off a couple of passes, Like today..if it wasn't for the 74 yard TD pass, nobody would be saying "start mcgloin", because his stats would have been no better than RB. Even with it, he was still under 50%.

    Also let's not forget Bolden did lead them down to a TD on the first drive minus the bad penalty. He had 3 nice completions on that drive for like 60 yards. So it's not like Bolden stunk as soon as he came out.

    I think he is simply pressing and trying to make the big play because of looking over his shoulder. Meanwhile MM has less pressure on him because he comes in second, everyone knows he sucks, and any game time he ever got in his career was simply playing with house money.

    I honestly think if Bolden was named the guy and was given a full game or two, he'd be much different and much more relaxed.

    Bolden is the worst QB at PSU since............................................................ wow, I don't even know. He makes Morelli look like a stud. He stinks and is incredibly frustrating to watch. There is no reason why MM should run a better QB draw from out of the shotgun than Bolden.... but he does. Why? Because he is a gamer, and Bolden just tries to execute the play without any variation. I'm just tired of seeing this tease.

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  • LaJollaLion said...

    Where as Bolden....ooopps...he hasn't lit anyone up either. Rock, Hard Place...PSU QB situation. Both are nothing special to watch.

    Where did I say he had lit anyone up? Of course neither are anything special. Just don't understand why anyone would expect McGloin to do anything but crap the bed against a decent team.

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  • md154 said...

    Ya know what's funny.....MM gets the majority of his yards AND Tds off a couple of passes, Like today..if it wasn't for the 74 yard TD pass, nobody would be saying "start mcgloin", because his stats would have been no better than RB. Even with it, he was still under 50%.

    Also let's not forget Bolden did lead them down to a TD on the first drive minus the bad penalty. He had 3 nice completions on that drive for like 60 yards. So it's not like Bolden stunk as soon as he came out.

    I think he is simply pressing and trying to make the big play because of looking over his shoulder. Meanwhile MM has less pressure on him because he comes in second, everyone knows he sucks, and any game time he ever got in his career was simply playing with house money.

    I honestly think if Bolden was named the guy and was given a full game or two, he'd be much different and much more relaxed.

    The difference between the two QB's is this: For the past couple of games, people have had to make excuses for Bolden.

    Matt McGloin doesn't need people to make excuses for him. He's looked better for the majority of this season and moved the offense better. I'd much rather see him given the reigns for an entire game than Bolden.

    Listen, I would love for Bolden to be Darryl Clark or Russel Wilson. He is not, at least for this year. Matt McGloin may not be a physical specimen, but he can move the offense and put points on the board better than Bolden at this point in their careers.

    The one thing Bolden has done well is make third down throws. He has not shown the ability to make basic passes (outs and screens, etc.) and has little to no pocket presence.

    msw5045

  • PSUJoe11 said...

    What exactly makes Bolden a 1 in your book? How many passes have been dropped and how many crappy calls have gone his way? Redd fumbles in the red zone? Holding penalty brings back a td only to have a bad pass go off a receivers hand for a pick? I bet my wife Mcgloin would have a bomb called first play back in and next thing you know Moye is running in the endzone.

    How hot is your wife?.... cause I get the feeling we're gonna see McGloin first thing next week..... and all things considered....

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  • At this point I dont care who the starter is,but one has to be named the starter NOW. I do agree with earlier comments that MM is more of a gamer and RB never deviates from the play,and why does RB only throw 2 yard passes on every third down? The team needs a full time QB or its gonna get worse.

    ...and if you're not down with that, then I got 2 words for ya.."suck it!!"

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  • This is what's its come down to, picking the lesser of two evils to be under center for PSU? This reminds me of the last Presidential election - Bush v. Obama.

    Fact is neither is playing like a Division I QB right now. Fact is neither has shown the proper leadership to take matters in his hands. Fact is neither can make the easy throws. Fact is they are being taught by a horrid QB coach.

    In the end, it really doesn't matter who is under center this year at PSU. You have one hopeful for sure win coming against Purdue; three definite loses coming in my mind to Wisconsin, Nebraska, and Illinois. Then you have three swing games - one coming against Iowa, a team that isn't good this year, but OWNS PSU. It's Kirk's easiest game of the year to prepare for (20 minutes of tape and then golf the rest of the week). The three swing games are going to be put on the defense to win, not the offense to do anything. So, really, does it matter who you play regardless of it being Bolden or McGloin, or McGregor for that matter?

    You have other issues to worry about as well. The OL has regressed. Redd can't get yards against two horrid defenses in EMU and IU. He was struggling yesterday. The ONLY reason he broke 100 yards was the IU defense was gassed because of that ridiculous IU offense. If Wilson slowed it down, IU's defense is fresher, thus wouldn't have given up the long run IMO.

    This post was edited by Hamilton Lion on 10/2/2011 at 7:34 AM

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  • psubills62 said...

    Where did I say he had lit anyone up? Of course neither are anything special. Just don't understand why anyone would expect McGloin to do anything but crap the bed against a decent team.

    Why would you expect Bolden to do anything against a decent team? I thought Rob was just a frosh last year and was pulling hard for him to take it over this year...he hasn't and hasn't come close. Neither kid is good but the myth that Rob can somehow do better is slowly dying. Neither one is anything special...as I stated earler. Neither one is going to beat a top 10 team even with that good of a defense. It's not all them, hell it's mostly the staff's choice to run a horrible offense.

    This post was edited by LaJollaLion on 10/2/2011 at 8:06 AM

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  • As someone who was in Bloomington, snd actually still in Indiana...thiw needs to happen NOW. Bolden is plsin horrible on the field, and even worse on the sidelines. This is McGloin's team. when he's on the sideline, he remains an active participant on the team. He's talking to other players, he's encouraging the defense, he's encouragin the offense, he's discussing things with the other QBs...exact opposite for Bolden. he just stands there with his head set, doesn't talk to ANYONE. Oh the field, Bolden is innaccurate to the point of absurdity, and is now a worse QB than he was last year. He also gets the same play calls that McGloin. He doesnot use any kind of progression. He needs a RS year in the worst kind of way. And if he wants to trasnfer, I'd be fine with that.

    Goingback to Mac, he was poor in the 1st couple of series, but ok to good after that. That deep ball to moye was a thing of BEAUTY. But in general he was making pretty good decisions.

    Will also say that that playcalling was pretty good throuhout the game, and when things went bad it was the QBs or another player who would let us down. The running game started out slow, but got better as the game went along. Btw, this is another reason Matt should start. Defensed have zero respect for Bolden's passing, we're a better running team when McGloin is in because defenses actually have to defend the entire field woth him in.

    Name McGloin he starter, and end this. There's no reason we should lose a single game between now and Wisconsin.

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  • appoo said...

    As someone who was in Bloomington, snd actually still in Indiana...thiw needs to happen NOW. Bolden is plsin horrible on the field, and even worse on the sidelines. This is McGloin's team. when he's on the sideline, he remains an active participant on the team. He's talking to other players, he's encouraging the defense, he's encouragin the offense, he's discussing things with the other QBs...exact opposite for Bolden. he just stands there with his head set, doesn't talk to ANYONE. Oh the field, Bolden is innaccurate to the point of absurdity, and is now a worse QB than he was last year. He also gets the same play calls that McGloin. He doesnot use any kind of progression. He needs a RS year in the worst kind of way. And if he wants to trasnfer, I'd be fine with that.

    Goingback to Mac, he was poor in the 1st couple of series, but ok to good after that. That deep ball to moye was a thing of BEAUTY. But in general he was making pretty good decisions.

    Will also say that that playcalling was pretty good throuhout the game, and when things went bad it was the QBs or another player who would let us down. The running game started out slow, but got better as the game went along. Btw, this is another reason Matt should start. Defensed have zero respect for Bolden's passing, we're a better running team when McGloin is in because defenses actually have to defend the entire field woth him in.

    Name McGloin he starter, and end this. There's no reason we should lose a single game between now and Wisconsin.

    McGloin only made one play the entire game he was in. Don't try to say he was bad his first few possessions. That would be grossly inaccurate.

    Hamilton Lion

  • Hamilton Lion said...

    McGloin only made one play the entire game he was in. Don't try to say he was bad his first few possessions. That would be grossly inaccurate.

    You need to rewatch the game. He made several good plays after the first few series (where his issue was that he was throwing innaccurately), the beautiful Shawney Kersey pass comes to mind, and rarely made a bad play.

    Quit making ezcuses for Bolden by devalueing the other guy. If you were in that stadium, and watching the crowd, watching Bolden, you wouldnt have a single doubt about who should be the starter.

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    appoo

  • Don't lay this on the kids. PSU's bullpen was stocked with Devlin, Newsome, McGloin, Bolden, and Jones. If PSU can't develop, retain, and field an effective offense and QB from that stock then the offensive coordinator and QB coach should be replaced immediately. These kids are good athletes and have chosen to play for PSU. The PSU football program has let them down including and especially the HC, followed by the athletic director, and the entire offensive staff. The fan base needs to look out of the front windshield instead of the rear view mirror and demand change.

    This post was edited by Nit_wit on 10/2/2011 at 9:51 AM

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  • appoo said...

    You need to rewatch the game. He made several good plays after the first few series (where his issue was that he was throwing innaccurately), the beautiful Shawney Kersey pass comes to mind, and rarely made a bad play.

    Quit making ezcuses for Bolden by devalueing the other guy. If you were in that stadium, and watching the crowd, watching Bolden, you wouldnt have a single doubt about who should be the starter.

    I'm certainly not making excuses for Bolden. He sucked yesterday. He has significantly regressed. Kersey made the play on McGloins throw. It wasn't a perfect throw (the one he DROVE to catch).

    To make positive observations regarding McGloin's play absent one pass to Moye is absurd. He missed many of the same passes Rob missed yesterday -EASY passes. He was 10 of 22 for 204 yards against an AWFUL defense. He has the knack of ripping this type of defense apart, but failed miserably yesterday. He didn't have any drops either. Take away one play, he passes for a pedestrian 132 yards. YAWN.

    I don't want to rewatch that abortion of a game. A 16-10 win over a pitiful Indiana team is something 99% of PSU fans would never consider doing because it was a pathetic effort by a team coached by an 84-year old who has lost all sense of reality and the game itself. It was a bad football game. Did you rewatch the 6-4 loss to Iowa a few years back? To me, that would be similar.

    Hamilton Lion

  • Nit_wit said...

    Don't lay this on the kids. PSU's bullpen was stocked with Devlin, Newsome, McGloin, Bolden, and Jones. If PSU can't develop, retain, and field an effective offense and QB from that stock then the offensive coordinator and QB coach should be replaced immediately. These kids are good athletes and have chosen to play for PSU. The PSU football program has let them down including and especially the HC, followed by the athletic director, and the entire offensive staff. The fan base needs to look out of the front windshield instead of the rear view mirror and demand change. PSU does not stand for Paterno State University, at least not yet.

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    I think very few people will lay this on the kids. Everyone realizes this is all on the staff. Preparation and development has lacked within this staff. Sure, PSU can churn out DLmen and LBers with the best of them, however, on the flip side, offensively speaking - its offensive.

    Hamilton Lion

  • JC from LP said...

    How hot is your wife?.... cause I get the feeling we're gonna see McGloin first thing next week..... and all things considered....

    I think he meant he made a bet with his wife. At least I hope so.

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  • appoo said...

    As someone who was in Bloomington, snd actually still in Indiana...thiw needs to happen NOW. Bolden is plsin horrible on the field, and even worse on the sidelines. This is McGloin's team. when he's on the sideline, he remains an active participant on the team. He's talking to other players, he's encouraging the defense, he's encouragin the offense, he's discussing things with the other QBs...exact opposite for Bolden. he just stands there with his head set, doesn't talk to ANYONE. Oh the field, Bolden is innaccurate to the point of absurdity, and is now a worse QB than he was last year. He also gets the same play calls that McGloin. He doesnot use any kind of progression. He needs a RS year in the worst kind of way. And if he wants to trasnfer, I'd be fine with that.

    Goingback to Mac, he was poor in the 1st couple of series, but ok to good after that. That deep ball to moye was a thing of BEAUTY. But in general he was making pretty good decisions.

    Will also say that that playcalling was pretty good throuhout the game, and when things went bad it was the QBs or another player who would let us down. The running game started out slow, but got better as the game went along. Btw, this is another reason Matt should start. Defensed have zero respect for Bolden's passing, we're a better running team when McGloin is in because defenses actually have to defend the entire field woth him in.

    Name McGloin he starter, and end this. There's no reason we should lose a single game between now and Wisconsin.

    I agree 100%. Let's just face the facts. We're not going to be a 11-1 or 10-2 team with either QB. I don't see anything from Bolden that shows me he's going to be any good. Sorry, but just having a rocket, inaccurate arm doesn't cut it in Division 1 football. His pocket awareness and decision making is absolutely terrible. I've seen zero leadership from Bolden. With McGloin, we might be able to get to 7-5 or 8-4. I don't see that happening with Bolden. I don't care if Bolden transfers because of it or not. Next year, you have a battle between PJ and McGloin. Make the decision, now and move on with life. Its obvious the team rallies around McGloin a lot more than Bolden, too.

    This post was edited by lion95 on 10/2/2011 at 9:09 AM

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  • Hamilton Lion said...

    I think very few people will lay this on the kids. Everyone realizes this is all on the staff. Preparation and development has lacked within this staff. Sure, PSU can churn out DLmen and LBers with the best of them, however, on the flip side, offensively speaking - its offensive.

    I lay much of this game on the kids, actually. The crap theyre failing at, they should've in 8th grade football. I know it's fun to pile on old Joe and his hated staff, but they didn't throw the ball "to" Sczerba, they didn't fumble inside the 2 and they didn't call plays asking the QBs to miss WRs by 4 yards.
    I realize in the end, everything comes down to the coaches, but yesterday I blame the kids.

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  • PSUTimm said...

    I lay much of this game on the kids, actually. The crap theyre failing at, they should've in 8th grade football. I know it's fun to pile on old Joe and his hated staff, but they didn't throw the ball "to" Sczerba, they didn't fumble inside the 2 and they didn't call plays asking the QBs to miss WRs by 4 yards. I realize in the end, everything comes down to the coaches, but yesterday I blame the kids.

    I do too. The play calling was actually good yesterday. They had guys running wide open all day that both QBs missed. The playaction calls were great, and they set it up nicely with the run. This was a case where the kids just didn't execute.

    getmyjive11

  • PSUTimm said...

    I lay much of this game on the kids, actually. The crap theyre failing at, they should've in 8th grade football. I know it's fun to pile on old Joe and his hated staff, but they didn't throw the ball "to" Sczerba, they didn't fumble inside the 2 and they didn't call plays asking the QBs to miss WRs by 4 yards. I realize in the end, everything comes down to the coaches, but yesterday I blame the kids.

    I have to agree with this.

    As a Bolden fan, i'm losing confidence in the kid.

    He cannot read a defense to save his life. And did anyone see the flair pass to Redd? He dropped back and looked at him the entire time. That's pretty hard to do, considering he flaired to the left. So he had to look over his shoulder. It was god awful. He has no concept of "touch".

    I'm to the point where they need to pick one, and honestly right now i would pick MM. He may not win the big games, but can Bolden win a big game either?

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