The Lions' Pride

Can agree with all of this.

IMO the DL getting worn down is more on Roof and O'Brien than it is the players. The big fellas need a rest, or a more active rotation in the second half. In the first half they dominate the way we're used to as PSU fans, but once the play count starts racking up for the opposition, the big guys wear down, just like with any defense. We have to do a better job of keeping those guys fresh.

Whether that means slowing down the offense (try getting a first down in the first 10:00 of the 3rd quarter maybe?), or more guys getting PT in games, I don't know. But its an issue we still haven't been able to fix thus far into the season, and its cost us two games (OSU and NU).

Current students like the OP make me laugh when they talk about how much they hate MM because they know him or know of his antics off of the field. I guarantee you that you wouldn't have hated Kerry Collins if you were in school back then. MM is borderline Opie compared to the terror Kerry was in his time here. But Kerry was accomplished on the field so most people really didn't care all that much. If you don't like MM's on field play, that's one thing. But to still rip him in part because of off the field reasons doesn't make much sense to me.

Clark had the same exact crap said about him minus the arm strength. Most of it was from those that were from a certain part of PA where a certain QB was already on a mantle for those folks. He didn't end up starting and DC could never do anything to win those people over. It was personal for sure. The same exact crap happened with MM for the most part. The problem is MM is on pace for 3000 yards, 20+ TD's, and less than 5-6 INT's. It's one thing to say he's missed some plays or forced some balls, but he's simply not the awful QB some had made him out to be. I tip my cap to those who can man up and admit they were dead wrong about him. A few can't and never will for some odd reason. I guess it was that they were so far off in judging thet talent on the field it's a bitter pill to swallow. I think one or two take not ripping on him as putting him in the HOF which isn't the case. He played QB for PSU in the darkest hour and did it fairly well. If people want to keep on hatin because they have to...that is on them.

Give us a call when Collins gets beat up by his own teammate in the locker room in his 4th year in the program, and is then lauded for his leadership and maturity.

No one has ever received more free passes in this program than him. No one. The fact that he's improved to become an average QB makes him somehow above legitimate criticism in the eyes of some.

Makes you wonder how his me-first attitude and show-off antics would be received by the fanboy brigade if his name was Malik Monroe and he was a few shades darker.

No, not you Texas. My point is a few make it personal and can't separate it for some reason. He could be having a better season, but if I told you this is where he would be in terms of stats this season 4 months ago... you would have taken it in a NY minute. Every player who has ever played could have had a better year and I get that. He still makes mistakes, but as I've said so many times...ALL QB's make mistakes. ALL QB's force balls from time to time. ALL QB's have had days. The best on the planet have done what he has done, but some lose that perspective I guess. Those thinking a better physical speciman and BOB automatically equates to a better offense are in for a rude awakening IMO. I hope like hell Bench or Hack can hit the ground running, but I think it will be a year or two (which is expected) before they hit their stride.

My fault, sorry for jumping down your throat.

Very true. I wouldn't have imagined that McGloin would be playing this well, no matter the circumstances.
As far as the other QBs, you may be right. I'm still excited to see what O'Brien can do with those guys. He has worked wonders with McGloin so far.

Hackenberg's first collegiate play will be a 65-yard scoring TD that his a streaking Allen Robinson perfectly in stride 10 yards out from the endzone. He will then proceed to throw for 55 TDs, 1 INT, and a 97% completion rate.

No, Kerry just got into fights with other students so it was all cool right?

The biggest issue for me with all of this, is that the attitude was there right from the start....WAY before he even accomplished anything significant on the field. That is what turned me off to him early and it hasn't changed since (as far as attitude and "leadership.")

I don't disagree that even good QB's get angry at teammates and things, it happens. But he has always seemed to try and play up this "me against the world" mentality way too much since the beginning, and even now. To me, though, there is a difference between Brees, Manning, Cutler, etc... Those guys are pros, they all get paid for what they do, which brings a certain expectation level. I think it's a little more acceptable (to me), for those guys to police teammates than it is at the college level.

I've been relatively quiet on the anti-MM talk this year. He has played well so I kept my mouth relatively quiet about the attitude, because that is still there. I agree with the OP that I wish by now there were some things he still handled better. I would have supported him as a person from day 1 if he didn't have the 'tude he always did. I supported him this year as the QB, but still have a hard time doing it as a person.

Fact is I don't know the guy personally. He does exude a certain air of cockiness and I find that offstandish. But having never met the kid personally, I reserve judgment.

Another fact is that MM is a fierce competitor. And so is BOB and so is the other MM and so is the entire squad.

Sh*t happens when egos and competitors go sideways and it happens among members of the same squad. Moxie seems to be the kind of guy who would rather put up than shut up, ergo the imbroglio in locker room last season.

I've competed in organized sports throughout my youth (never at the collegiate level). We're all fans, more fanatic than most on these boards because we pay to be here. That makes us all competitors too.

Matt may have some anger management issues, but he's not as messed up in that regard as LJ Jr. was.

PM me. Inquiring minds want to know!

The Mox throws for over 200 yards, 2 tds (yep) and one pick on the road against one of the best pass defenses in college football in high wind conditions and people cry. He's not a great player, but he has been good this year. People just don't like him because he has a bit of a$$hole to him... who cares. McGloin led the offense to 30 points (yep) against Nebraska on the road. That's pretty satisfactory.