The Lions' Pride

Two names: Braxton Miller and Taylor Martinez. Both QBs had super success, especially in the 2nd half. Both were better teams than PSU. Could we have won both games? Absolutely. But we didn't. Yes, the QB is the most important position in BOB's offensive package. So if the QB doesn't do well, the Offense will struggle.

But the D has to show up for the 2nd half too.

One positive out of the Nebraska was the play of the Special Teams. Butterworth and Ficken had their best game of the year!

You've complained about the kid for three years now on this board. He's a former walk-on with no scholarship offers and limited talent, yet he found a way to beat out three 4 star recruits. The kid has given his heart and soul to the program for five years. Enough is enough already. We get it, you don't like him. You've spent the past three years destroying him when he's made mistakes and downplaying his accomplishments when he's done well. What is the point of this thread? Just another opportunity to bash him and make yourself feel better?

Guess what, when you have limited talent and ability, you are going to make mistakes. It's not shocking. He's come a long way. Some don't like his demeanor and that's fine. That's who he is though. What people like you need to realize is that mindset and attitude is what has allowed him to get to where he is and have the success he's had. It is who he is and I have no problem with it. I don't agree with all his actions, but I understand where he is coming from. The kid has two games left in his career. It's about time you appreciate the blood, sweat, and tears he's put into this program for five years.

Agree. I saw Brees clap his hands in disgust after an easy drop yesterday by Henderson. I've seen Manning chew the f--k out of WR's for running the wrong routes. Favre was a walking ego because of the arm attached to his shoulder. He forced more balls than any QB ever. Brady and BOB on the sideline screaming at each other. QB's react as humans do, but if you don't like the kid already, it's just magnified IMO. That has been the case with some and MM all along.

The funny thing is he brought back from behind at UVa only to have the Kicker miss. He then bounces back from a poor pick to lead the team down to take the lead on a TD pass to Lehman to have it yanked away on Saturday. The safey is on him, but it doesn't occur if the replay booth is playing by the rules as PSU would have been kicking off instead of getting a 70 yard punt 3 plays later. Here is a kid before the year people were saying couldn't do a damn thing right and has had a pretty damn solid year. He has stuck by the school, has played well, and you can see he really just wants to win games. If he's a jerk off the field, so be it, but I never thought he would play at the level where he is at now. He's far from perfect, but he has not been the downfall of this squad as many predicted.

Call me crazy, but he could be BOB's QB coach one day.

He's solid and has improved dramatically this year.

But that doesn't mean Tex is wrong. Except for the hanging head thing, there's a difference between Mac and Cutler lol

I don't think Texas is totally wrong, but the myth that good QB's don't have bad days or get pissed is just plain silly. We are all PSU fans so he is under our microscope, but this QB that makes the right read 100% of the time, never loses a game, throws a pick, and is the perfect choir boy is beyond foolish. It comes off like a child finding out that there is no Santa Claus. It's a myth. You can watch any pro game and see incredible QB's get confused by a D and make bad throws. Guess what, it's usually against the better defenses and teams. You can see QB's throw tantrums from time to time and including the best of the best at QB. He's not wrong, but his thinking this is isolated to MM is a bit naive IMO. Nobody in their right mind was thinking he would be playing at this level IMO...and kudos to him and staff for working to get there. Bottom line is if a QB wins, he tends to get a free pass from his fans. College or PRO...that is the simple truth. MM was never some peoples first choice whether it was his arm or him being a RICHARD at a fast food line....that is where some still have a hang up with him IMO. He stuck with PSU during the worst time in the schools history and has given a few of us something to smile about for a few weeks. That is how I'll remember this year for him and I hope he grows up as the years pass by as is the case for most of us.

He has come a long way. Night and day from the past few years, just wish he would be a little more consistent with his level of play.

Hackenberg under OB? Even Bench under OB?

I haven't been on this board for three years, somewhere just under two. I think its great that McGloin has gotten the opportunity to play D1A football, and think its even better for him that he has been able to see significant PT and earn the starting role in his time here because of his hard work. He has something that he can hang his hat on forever, that he was a relatively successful starting QB at a major college football program. That's awesome.

However just because he isn't as physically gifted, or didn't earn a scholarship out of high school, doesn't mean I won't be critical of a QB's play. I made this thread to start a discussion about why these things are happening, and what could be done to fix it.

On a side note, if you think I'm tough on McGloin, you should see my rants about Landry Jones.

Do you not remember Anthony Morelli?? Hell, even Clark struggled against good teams. Most quarterbacks are not going to play great against good defenses. That's not just a McGloin thing or a Penn State thing, it happens everywhere. I'm not sure what you're expecting.

I think McGloin's been pretty good overall. Good against poor defenses, and gets rattled against good ones that apply any type of pressure. I think any QB with experience can complete passes with 4-5 seconds of pocket time. I don't think he is very good at stepping up in the pocket, and still tries to force things. He has an above average receiving corp with a nice set of tight ends. The play calling hasn't been great in the second half either. No screens or slants ever. So, I guess we got about what we should have with a littlke more than my own expectations.

As I said before, the defense is where the criticism lies in my mind. Not enough out of the D-line in the second halves of games with the LB's asked to do too much and making them look tired at times. Playing a 4-3 we should have more run stopping at the line than we have had. Overall, I am excited about what the d-line will bring in the next year or 2 with Zettle, Barnes, CJ, etc...and in the secondary, Amos may be a 1st round pick in my opinion as well.

Didn't follow PSU football until I enrolled here, which was twenty-seven months ago.

From the sounds of things, it doesn't sound like I want to though. I went out of my way to watch some of Zach Mills to see how bad the dark years were and to see if he really was that good of a QB. Went out of my way to watch MRob. I remember watching Clark in the LSU bowl game, and from a few games I saw my senior year of HS. I didn't watch much of 2008 because I was caught up in OU's championship run, but I did see the USC game.

I'm expecting a QB to minimize these mistakes that shouldn't be happening at this point in the season. The hot read thing has been consistent for a few weeks, and its frustrating to watch. I don't like watching sloppy football, and IMO that's what we have played at times the past few weeks. I'm not blaming it all on McGloin, not even most of it. I am pointing out things that I have found frustrating the past few weeks.

You said nothing wrong or false in your post. You cant even compliment him without taking a bunch of crap from those who apparently only watch him play against Northwestern.
The good thing is we have to deal with him for only two more games; the bad part is we'll be dealing with his army of fanboys for much of the foreseeable future.