The Lions' Pride

I had to look up hockey info too, I am not an expert on hockey.

http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2012/09/24/boston-college-and-minnesota-top-college-hockey-preseason-poll/

Hockey east isn't a step down, from what I read anyways

You really are a naive person.

One of my New Year's resolutions is to stop trying to educated people who can't see the light of day. I will start early. It's certainly a waste of time. It's like me trying to teach English to a Cuban who has been in the United States for 25 years and doesn't want to learn English.

We will be in the discussion all year. That is a good one. Guy is a very good coach. Why and how do I know this? Because I saw it when he was at Princeton. Will he attract quality athletes to play at PSU? Sure. But, please, don't be naive. PSU isn't and won't be on equal footing with Minnesota, Michigan, Wisky and MSU at the beginning just because they are starting the league together. Why? Because history says so.

If PSU was starting a new basketball conference and the other members were Kentucky, Duke, North Carolina, Kansas and UCLA, do you think PSU is on equal footing?

How do you get a Cuban to speak English?...

You cant, you can only smoke them!

Get it? Cubans? Cigars? (lol sorry, thats my corny joke for the day)

What in history shows that it isn't true? I'm honestly interested. It's not like the B10 hockey conference would have happened without PSU's involvement, so I do think that there's a reasonable expectation that PSU will be treated as an equal member.

And at no point did I say that PSU was going to win the conference. I said I thought they would do well and be in the discussion. If I'm wrong, so be it, but I'm excited to see D1 hockey at PSU regardless.

If PSU was starting a basketball conference with the best teams in the ACC, SEC, and Pac 12, I'd wonder what PSU would have done to warrant an invite, but to indulge your ridiculous example, I'd say if the invitation was extended, it's fair to think that they wouldn't have invited PSU to this new superconference so PSU could go sit in the corner, shut up, and do what it's told by the big boys.

Here you go.

Chatter about what?

The big deal is money per member, not gross cash. Those two aren't big draws in football, which is what really drives the cash in conferences. It isn't about fans per say but the advertisers. These midwest schools are huge, with huge boosters and huge bases. There's very little double dipping in states. If you look the CIC is the B1G plus U Chicago, one of the finest universities. Its membership helps greatly facilitate academic endeavours and lend credibility to receiving grants from various sources.

While the B1G has lost its juice, in I believe every category (bowls, tv, and research) it is #1 by almost every source. Delaney may be a dick, but he's a fantastic commisioner on that end.

I think I stated a few posts that there was absolutely room for debate there. And it had more of an impact on access to research opportunities, techniques, and facilities more than funding itself. The post you quoted was more about that kind of opportunity academically elsewhere, which it isn't at the same level. The CIC is certainly a valuable tool. That said, I don't totally disagree with your conclusion.

How would those numbers change for each conference if PSU were to switch?
I imagine each B1G team would net less while each ACC team would bet more than what they currently do now.
And more specifically, how would that ACC number look with PSU and ND both in the ACC?

p.s. Posters on the board have mentioned that one of the concrete benefits of the CIC is the ability to take courses at other schools if it's not offered at Penn State. I'd rather take classes at some of the ACC schools than the Big 10 schools.

Notre Dame won't join the ACC, its a place holder the exact same that the Big East was.

Now the Bowl money wouldn't change much for the next few years as PSU is done for now. But the big thing would be the contracts. TV contracts and the bowls that those conferences are linked to. The Rose Bowl is the big bowl out there. The B1G due to the previously listed attributes has schools that almost always get an extra BCS teams. Michigan, OSU, and Nebraska will always look better than FSU, Clemson, and Miami and down the line.

The TV money is harder to predict. B1G has its own deal and the BTN is a HUGE deal. The ACC is nice, but it doesn't have the draw in the markets it owns like the B1G does, while also "double dipping" in a lot of its markets. I believe there is an ACC network (possibly in the building), and its nothing like the BTN. Obviously it would serve better with PSU, there is no doubt about that. The key with the BTN is we get that money, plus a very fine ESPN contract on top of it which is tasty to say the least. ACC obviously gets a better BBall contract than the BTN, but not nearly as much to make up the difference (B1G is still a very very good BBall conference) that the B1G gets out of football (which is the driver in today's sports world).

Now that we've talked about that, you also have to notice what those TV rights hold. The B1G, through our conference affiliation and agreed upon agreement that is mutually beneficial, owns our TV rights for pretty much ever. If they kick us out, we get them back. If we leave, they keep them plus we pay an exit fee. Some can cry and all that, that's a contract. They own us,so just get over that now if you want to whine. The B1G gets all of PA TVs with the BTN, and many optional suscribers in the surrounding areas. Its letting us go nowhere. Some may cite a vote last year, but I promise you that vote was rigged to the point where schools could get close enough to condemn PSU without losing the money they bring in. And then it was leaked so we could all hear about it. Politics 101.