The Lions' Pride

This comment has fail written all over it. ACC doesn't have hockey, but there are other options. It's certainly not hard to figure it out.

You don't think PSU would be dominated by Michigan, Minnesota and Wisconsin when it comes to BIG hockey? Think again. Those three would control the deal and Sparty to a way lesser extend since really that program isn't as good as it once was. I fail to mention OSU because it sucks.

PSU a centerpiece for BIG hockey? Don't be a fool. Fools think that.

Do you think PSU gains alot of hockey exposure on the BIG Network? How many hockey games would be televised? Not many with COLLEGE BASKETBALL going on. That trumps hockey.

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there is very little fan base in Michigan, Minnesota and Wisconsin also. East hockey would be awesome!!!

East Hockey has BC, NH, UMASS, VT, PSU fans all over those states

As a fan, sure... Step up and be proud.

From a business perspective, we're not a good acquisition target for anyone until the smoke clears and we clean up the mess that the Board created by fiddling while Rome burned.

As a conference, what sense does it make to take on all of the risk that's associated with picking up PSU when you don't know who's going to be running the school in a year, you don't know if there's going to be further fallout from the dispositions of the curley/schultz/spanier trials, and you don't know how many other factors will continue to pile on to the mess we have? I'm not saying that the B10 is this great and wonderful place, but it's where we are, and it's no worse of a place as any other to ride out this storm.

PSU isn't some great hot commodity right now. It's more like a hot mess, and the idea that if we were no longer in the B10, we'd have major conferences lining up to bring us in is honestly laughable to me. We don't even really have any good leverage to barter a good deal for the school. Switching conferences now would be the epitome of "selling low".

Clearly with a brand new hockey arena and the owner of the Buffalo Sabres pulling the strings, yeah, we'll totally be a non-factor in the conference. Please. B10 hockey is the first time that PSU actually gets in on the ground floor of something the conference is doing, and you want to trade that to be an afterthought in a New England dominated hockey league?

Big 10 basketball has the ESPN deal to fall back on. PSU wrestling sure as hell gets a ton of exposure on the BTN. I know I watched a ton of PSU matches last season on the network and look forward to doing it again. The B10 would be stupid to not go big on televising conference hockey, and with the team that PSU has already been assembling, it seems to me that they're looking to fire out of the gate and be competitive in the conference right away.

The only thing that's foolish in this entire thread is the thought that somehow out there waiting for us in every other conference that isn't the B10 is this amazing deal where PSU will be honored, respected, and showered with accolades that we are somehow proactively preventing ourselves from receiving by staying in this conference. We'd be outsiders and 2nd class citizens in ANY conference we go to right now. I don't really understand how dealing with OSU and UM is any different than it would be having to deal with the North Carolina bureaucracy in the ACC. These conferences all have their power brokers in place. PSU doesn't get to show up on day one and immediately get invited to the good 'ol boys club.

Disagree, not a big fan of old boy network in the Big, but to think there isn't one in the ACC, you gotta be kidding. I lived in NC for 8 years and still own a house there, it is all about UNC, Duke and State, and they are about BB. The new stadiums built in Chapel Hill and Raleigh are nice, but nothing like what PSU has and most Big schools have. They are lucky to pull in 60k for a game, when winning. Football and basketball aside, the two do not compare for non revenue sports. Wrestling is the Big, Gymnastics, VB, Fencing, all better in Big, Swimming, Track and field and Baseball all better in ACC, but also dominated by them bc they are warmer weather states. Do not see the love affair with the ACC and doubt we would be welcomed by them now or later.

Take our lumps and beat the crap out of the Big.

And your complete confusion and lack of talking about monetary importance leads me to believe you're a union member, probably a teamster, who sits on his ass all day. Luckily for my office we're about to take a piss on our union's next contract.

Its nice you'd rather go all those fun places. Sweet. That doesn't matter. In fact, I agree with you that in all the things that don't matter very much PSU is a perfect fit for the ACC. But in the one thing that does (money, in case you were lost) it isn't a match. The second the money makes sense, I'll root for PSU to be there.

But hey keep living in the land of fairy tales. We all know those come true. Wait no they don't. The princess gets knocked up and the prince cheats on her with his busty secretary. This aint candy land.

Still think your selling PSU value too short, it's not as high as it once was, thats easy to see. I don't see it going up anytime soon either, but a hot mess? Thats extreme, the fans are still supportive, football team isn't dead yet, still getting national coverage. I hate the B10, sorry, thats my feelings, and many others agree. I have no idea what is best for PSU future, I know what would make me happy. Thats getting out of this overrated conference and move on to the ACC, so I can go to away games and see Duke and NC play in the B Jordan center. I would be happy if it could ever happen, but it won't, and we are gonna still hate the B10 around here.

If PSU wasnt as valuable as we are, then we wouldnt have just about every game nationally televised on the ESPN channels. I thought BT teams could only have a certain number of games on ABC/ESPN, but Indiana and one other game earlier were the only games not nationally televised (yes, even the ESPNU game with Purdue was nationally televised).

In this case, in order for another conference to "buy PSU low", PSU would have to be selling low. And selling low is exactly what you don't want to be doing. We're currently in the largest "value trough" that this university has ever seen. Our ability to bargain a good deal for ourselves is currently as low as it's ever going to be. Allowing another conference to "buy PSU low" is about the worst position the university could possibly put themselves in.

When the market for your commodity is down, you don't sell it. You ride it out, and look to sell when the value is heading back up. Unless, of course you think your commodity is never going to go back up. Then you just get out and never look back.

we may not have a choice here. going after maryland adds nothing to the BIG unless they plan on dropping penn state. god i hope the BIG makes this mistake.

The funny thing that Minn, UM, Wisc, and PSU all have in common is that it's the first year in this hockey conference for all of us. I think it's a reasonable belief that we'll at least have an equal voice in the conference, since this is basically the first time that PSU is involved in a B10 conference sport from its inception, as opposed to being added in after the fact. And honestly, with the money that's being put into the program and the way that recruiting has shaped up, I do think PSU will be very competitive from the outset. I'm not saying that PSU will own the conference, but I do think we'll be in the discussion all year.

You say that PSU in Hockey East would be better than the B10, but you don't say why. What would PSU bring to Hockey East that it wouldn't bring to the B10? What would Hockey East do for PSU that the B10 wouldn't? Why is New England a better overall place for hockey than the northern midwest? You say I have no clue regarding collegiate hockey. By all means, please educate me.

So, would a that be more or less likely if PSU was in Hockey East, then?

I said that I thought that PSU would be competitive in the conference. I'm not holding out expectations of winning the conference, but I do think it's realistic that PSU will do well for a program in it's first year, thus keeping it in the discussion throughout the season. What Hockey East has to do with it, is I'm trying to understand how people think that conference would be so much better for PSU hockey than the B10, since that's being so heavily advocated for in the thread.