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Theweeble said...
I really don't get all of this sudden ACC love. The ACC is struggling to stay relevant in football. Their schools have been getting almost no national attention, Miami is in shambles, FSU is mediocre, and VT is just bad.
The ACC is like a slightly better version of the Big East. They're a basketball-first conference that has football, but their stock rises and falls with UNC and Duke in March Madness.
This would be at best a lateral move in football, and really, in terms of national exposure/attention it would be a simple downgrade. It would be an absolute downgrade in wrestling, hockey, and a majority of the other non-revenue producing sports, and we would go from being reasonably competitive every few years in our basketball conference to a perennial bottom feeder in the ACC.
All of that assumes that the ACC would even want PSU, and I'm not at all convinced that we're worth the trouble that follows us right now. The ACC already has to deal with the garbage at UNC and Miami, so they're now going to bring in PSU and put another huge dent in the national image of their conference?
You guys have a severely inflated sense of what PSU is worth right now. Right now the only thing PSU has to sell to anyone is the fanbase, beyond that, we're a pile of problems that needs to be worked out before we can provide any value to any conference.
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Texas Lion said...
While it would've been fun beating the aggies for a few more years as a student, aTm only has close to a majority in the Houston market, and at best a quarter of the DFW market.
While it gave the SEC an in for Texas recruiting, TV wise it wasn't all that great IMO. If we're talking strictly TV money, it's tea sippers or bust in Texas. OU had a big following in DFW, but not Houston or San Antonio. It's obvious, but the only team worth taking from Texas is Texas IMO.
Houston is the 10th largest TV market in the country and if aTm had joined it would have been 3rd behind the Chicago and Philly markets in the Big Ten. Also, the Aggies have an alumni base which isn't anything to sneeze at. DFW is the 5th largest market, so even if it gets you a healthy share of it that's a nice amount of people.
I agree with you that UT is the prize in Texas, and arguably the country. But I think aTm would have been a fine addition.
And since I live in central Texas I could be back in Big Ten country
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shavisimo2 said...
You should take a statistics class.
Anyway, as to your original post, monetarily, the relationship is mutually beneficial. Most fans are talking about this from non-monetary perspectives because it's really not their money on the line. That's how fandom works in college football. The schools care more about the money than the fans, same with every school.
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jhouck610 said...
Sudden ACC love?? The B10 dislike has been around since we joined. ACC football is no worse then the B10. The B10 is sooo overrated, besides wrestling ofcourse.ACC soccer is awesome, BB is unreal, Baseball is not even comparable, ACC kills the B10. With Pitt joining, and adding PSU,(will never happen, only dreaming) the ACC will be just as strong or stronger than the B10. You have an inflated sense of the B10 worth, and PSU has alot more to offer than it's fanbase, thats just a stupid comment. B10 hockey? there is no B10 hockey without PSU, and did you forget that BC is in the ACC?
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RoboBuckeye said...
Exactly correct....I live in NC and I have said somewhere in this thread that if PSU thinks they get no calls now in the BIG, be careful what you wish for...the ACC is definitely a "Good Ol Boy" conference that would absolutely take the money PSU could bring to the conference but would NEVER want them to be the ACC champ in any sport...period...
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jhouck610 said...
Sudden ACC love?? The B10 dislike has been around since we joined. ACC football is no worse then the B10. The B10 is sooo overrated, besides wrestling ofcourse.ACC soccer is awesome, BB is unreal, Baseball is not even comparable, ACC kills the B10. With Pitt joining, and adding PSU,(will never happen, only dreaming) the ACC will be just as strong or stronger than the B10. You have an inflated sense of the B10 worth, and PSU has alot more to offer than it's fanbase, thats just a stupid comment. B10 hockey? there is no B10 hockey without PSU, and did you forget that BC is in the ACC?
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MTayl72 said...
That's fine. I get why people want to leave. But PSU didn't join it to open up recruiting grounds or for the travel locations (I love most of the cities but thats cus I've partied in em), they did it for the money. Saying anything like "outside the money..." is just dumb because it is ALL ABOUT THE MONEY. That's what college sports are about. I understand some here are jaded to that fact, but its about the mutha f*ckin dough. And with PSU facing fines and other monetary punishments/settlements, they now more than ever need that money. If the ACC provided better cash (not even close) I'd jump on going there. They don't so f*ck it.
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PSU17 said...
Houston is the 10th largest TV market in the country and if aTm had joined it would have been 3rd behind the Chicago and Philly markets in the Big Ten. Also, the Aggies have an alumni base which isn't anything to sneeze at. DFW is the 5th largest market, so even if it gets you a healthy share of it that's a nice amount of people.
I agree with you that UT is the prize in Texas, and arguably the country. But I think aTm would have been a fine addition.
And since I live in central Texas I could be back in Big Ten country
Honestly, since I moved down here I've met way more aggies it seems. I'm not sure why that is.This post was edited by Texas Lion on 11/15/2012 at 9:42 AM
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Texas Lion said...
That's probably because you weren't walking around WalMart (that's a Texas joke).
I'm not sure, we have enough of a problem with illiterates and toothless morons with the state of Ohio. I don't know if I could handle aTm joining and inflating, or deflating in terms of average number of teeth per fan, those numbers.
EDIT: Also, central Texas and you meet more Aggies than Longhorns? Are you in San Antonio?
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I'm in Georgetown - about 40 minutes up 35 from Austin. I think it's strange too - maybe I just remember the Aggies because I married into an Aggie family.
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ZZamatev said...
You're right. Very true. I was thinking along the lines if we got kicked, MD would be impossible to join.
I would trade places with Mizzou immediately. Comparing the quality of the B1G to the SEC? Lolz ...
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RoboBuckeye said...
I'm confused.....you say you are a cash cow for the BIG thus they wouldn't kick you out although you'd love to leave...then in the next sentence you say you are stuck in this conference due to dollars and cents...impying that the BIG is worth too much money for you to leave....Which is it? You're worth too much for the Big to kick out or the Big is worth too much for you to leave?
If both of those are true, then sounds like a perfect fit, thus quit bitching abou leaving the BIG....
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Theweeble said...
Yes. Sudden ACC love. I understand the anger with the Big 10, but it wasn't all that long ago that people were saying the same stuff about PSU going to the Big East before that conference completely fell apart.
ACC football is worse than the B10. Pitt and Cuse don't make the football conference better, The carolina schools are terrible, Miami/VT suck right now, FSU is mediocre and that's about the extent of football in the conference. Yeah, the B10 in the middle of a few down years, but OSU, PSU, UM, Wisc and Nebraska are better than any single school in the ACC on a consistent basis, and Iowa and MSU at least have the potential to exceed most ACC teams.
Moving to the ACC would be awful for PSU improving in basketball. PSU basketball isn't going to be able to recruit nearly as well against Pitt, UNC, Cuse, and Duke, an even the middle of the road ACC teams have more to offer basketball recruits than we do. plus, we would consistently get rolled by more than half of the conference. Yes, it's a great basketball conference, but PSU doesn't put the kind of resources into basketball that the rest of the ACC does, and that will hurt them.
BC doesn't play hockey in the ACC, and neither would PSU. They would have to join hockey east, and with that, there's nowhere near the potential for national exposure than PSU would get from the BTN. PSU would be a relative newcomer in a league dominated by Boston schools and soon Notre Dame, PSU would be an afterthought among those established teams, instead of a centerpiece of the Big10 hockey league.
What does PSU have to offer to a conference besides a loyal fanbase right now? Our national image sucks, our financials are in shambles for the next decade or who knows how long. Our administration is floundering and constantly under assault from the government, students, fans, and alumni. Our house is a damned mess right now, and every other conference knows it.
I don't have an inflated sense of the worth of the B10. I think I'm being pretty objective about what are getting from them and what we aren't. What I'm not allowing myself to do is fall for this "grass is greener" sentiment that's run wild since the Nebraska game. We got screwed by incompetent refs. We know it, Nebraska knows it, and though he'll never admit it publicly, Delany knows it too. The refereeing in the conference this year has been across the board awful for almost every team at one point or another, and it's been a huge black eye for the conference. Delany may be an ass, but he's not so stupid to not realize that it's a huge problem affecting the credibility of the conference which needs to be addressed.
There is NOTHING that says the ACC is interested in us right now, and even if they are, there is even LESS of a guarantee that we'd get any better treatment from them or any other conference.
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