The Lions' Pride

No problem, just makes y'all look a bit crazy.......There are a lot of things people "wish" would happen that is out of their control or unreasonable, but the difference is they don't talk about it 24/7, or people start to label them.......

You should take a statistics class.

Anyway, as to your original post, monetarily, the relationship is mutually beneficial. Most fans are talking about this from non-monetary perspectives because it's really not their money on the line. That's how fandom works in college football. The schools care more about the money than the fans, same with every school.

If you get it, then why the hell do you keep asking?

What I "Get" is it is mutually beneficial...thus making all the bitching that much more ridiculous....

I understand ties to your school...I have mine as well...but folks also need to be able to step back and take a look at how others see us....That's why coaches will "self scout" their team, corporations will pay big money for consultants to come and give them an overhaul etc....If you could look at things without letting personal feelings to get involved you would see what others are talking about....and no, it's not just your board, it's most boards, but with what has happened this past year with PSU I think the ability to be realistic has been pushed aside...hopefully not forever...believe it or not, everything that happens to PSU isn't a conspiracy..."glitches" happen on websites, officials make bad calls....Hell, Ohio State is the most penalized team in the BIG this year, by a pretty good margin..

I see it where they negotiated their latest TV rights and Swofford wanted to keep his son in business at Raycomm so they kept them as part of the package instead of starting their own network. BTN certainly has issues but it light years better and more profitable than the Raycomm days. That is a 15 year decision there. Then they expand with Syracuse and Pitt but do not gain almost no additional revenue as a result. That is a 100 year decision. The move with ND is a sign of weakness. The new playoff format and payouts favor the SEC and B1G because the ACC lacks leverage. In sure Penn Staters feel Michigan and Ohio State dominates the conference but since Penn State held out as a independent for so long they would feel the same in any conference with an established power structure in place. Not to mention in divisional realignment with the addition of Nebraska, Penn State got hooked up with staying east with Ohio State and having access to those recruiting grounds.

Listen (I know it's not your strong suit because you're convinced you're right about what you're saying). I'm very rational about all of this. I think the B1G is the right conference for PSU. I think money is what runs this, and for good reason. Please don't tell me how my personal feelings are interfering with my judgment.

As a rational person, I also understand that many people see things from different perspectives. I don't need to feel superior and tell them they are myopic and don't understand how it works. It's their perspective, they have it, and who the hell am I to say that them seeing things differently makes them wrong. Please stop saying that everyone's opinion here is wrong. I don't agree with their opinions. You obviously do not either. But that doesn't make them right or wrong. Stop trying to tell everyone how to feel here. Nobody wants to be told how to feel, especially by someone who does not relate directly to the people here on the issue because he's a fan of a different team.

I respect however OSU fans feel about different things relating to their program. I wouldn't tell them how to feel about it or incessantly call them out. Just stop telling people what they should think and actually discuss things without intentionally trying to push buttons and provoke people to get pissed off.

Not telling you how to think dude.....

If you are truthful in all of your statements then you're probably tiring of the same topics continuously coming up on your board....

I never said I was right and you or others were wrong...I simply said it's obvious that a move must not be happening so why continue to complain about where you are.... I understand your fans don't feel like they've ever been accepted as part of the Big Ten conference, or welcomed...but maybe part of that comes back on y'all....Doesn't really seem like you've ever considered yourselves part of the conference so one hand washes the other.... I must say, when you first joined the conference there was a definite cockiness to your fanbase...I remember seeing signs at games mocking the Big Ten and "easy" victories etc....not a great "new housemate"... you reap what you sew, and your early success in the conference and the blatant rudeness may have something to do with other teams taking joy in beating you on the field, and to some of the degenerates, taking joy in your current situation...

Robo, the Big is where PSU belongs, I hate the calls and Delaney, not sure if two are connected. My issue is there needs to be more transparancy, ie some sort of review, but does not need to be public. IMO nothing comes from making these things public and getting ESPN involved (we certainly know about that).

That said, I see us as part of the Big, our rivlary with OSU is amazing, the past 5 years IMO the premier match up in the conference, both teams play well outside conference more so than UW and UM of late. The academic side is awesome IMO and it fits the other sports we have as well, aside from P10 I do not think there is a more complete athletic conference than the Big.

As far as expansion with UMD, I would love to add UMD, not a powerhouse, but give it a regional sense, and it would add numbers in DC area, meaning more PSU games and UMD games. DC is full of PSU grads who are more passionate about their school than UMD for football. BB that is another story. To me it does not make sense adding one more team, need balance to bring it to 7 in each division and am not sure with issues that came up when UN joined it will/would happen without a pair.

Outside of the money, the Big Ten stinks. That's what I think.

Almost as surprising as you constantly coming back here and annoying the hell out of people.

A rivalry isn't amazing when one side doesn't even consider it a rivalry. That is a main point here, isn't it? Michigan is their rival, no matter how much more competitive our series has been the past few years. It's time you accept that we do not have a rival in this conference.

I love your republican ass.

But outside of the money the B10 sucks donkey balls.