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  • LBU59 said...

    After reading this again, boy is it going to be difficult to get a guilty verdict.

    ya, that article makes a decent argument about some inconsistencies with Mike's accounts of what happened and I can only imagine that the legal team for these guys, which is pretty impressive, will do an even better job.

    Having said that, the comments reported by Ganim with regard to Dranov, are lacking context. We know that whatever Mike saw was enough to disturb him greatly. We know that he conveyed enough for Paterno to understand it was possibly of "a sexual nature", and we know that Curley/Shultz/Spanier thought enough of it to consult counsel and originally planned to report it to DPW. We know that John McQueary testified that Schultz told him they had been suspicious of Jerry but never had anything to sink their teeth into. none of this is helping their case.... If Baldwin's testimony is allowed, I think she has dirt that could make them look even worse.

    IMO, based on just the facts and actual testimony we have access to, the best narrative I can come up with is that Mike something that disturbed him, but nothing specific. In fact, I think what really disturbed him was the sounds, which is what Dranov kept going back to. I think Mike hear the slapping sounds and assumed someone was having sex in the shower and his world was turned upside down when he saw a child and Sandusky were the people in the shower. I think the truth is that Mike didn't see anything concrete but clearly assumed there was a chance it was the worst case scenario. I'd guess that Dranov was debating calling the police or dealing with it the way they did and part of his decision process was to grill mike on how certain he was that something sexual took place. I think mike couldn't be sure and as he told Dranov, he didn't actually see anything sexual happening.

    Ultimately, this could potentially be broken down Mike having real concern that he caught Jerry doing something terrible, but not actually seeing enough to feel that he could go to the police with what he did see so he went to Paterno, who kicked it up to university leaders. I think the meet of these charges is going to come down to the actual evidence that they knew this was more than inappropriate behavior and was a reportable incident of abuse. The defense will do everything they can to minimize what they felt was going on and the prosecution will do everything they can to prove that they understood it was more than inappropriate horseplay. If none of the 3 waiver and Baldwin is not allowed to testify, it's going to be mike's word plus the supporting evidence (some of which I listed above) vs the word of 3 respected men plus their evidence supporting their claim that it wasn't clearly a crime Mike was reporting.

    spud358

  • spud358 said...

    I think the only source for that is Ganim. I believe GJ testimony is generally "secret", which is why we've never actually heard what Mike actually said, just the state's embellished and inaccurate version of it. However, Ganim had a source that was "familiar with Dr. Dranov's testimony" and relayed details of his testimony to her, which she wrote a story on.

    "However, Dranov told grand jurors that he asked McQueary three times if he saw anything sexual, and three times McQueary said no, according to the source. "

    That was brought up in the Sandusky trial. Rominger asked Dranov directly "you asked him three times if he saw a sexual act?" Dranov said yes, but that he didn't use those terms (sexual act). He said the MM kept going back to sounds and that when pressed to further explain, MM got very upset so Dranov decided to not to ask about it anymore.

    getmyjive11

  • Not completely on topic here but surprised this story never gets mentioned:

    http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2012/10/29/man-claims-sandusky-sexually-assaulted-him-over-40-years-ago/

    PSUBrister

  • This is interesting especially the part of about MM and Schultz...

    http://notpsu.blogspot.com/2013/03/media-poor-fact-checking-enabled-false.html

    BKHPSU

  • Sean Clayton ‏@BigClaymaker
    @Zigmanfreud what's next on the agenda for you guys in regards to PSU? It appears some of the nat. media is realizing how wrong they've been
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    4 hrs John Ziegler ‏@Zigmanfreud
    @BigClaymaker. Stay tuned. You should be hearing from me fairly soon.

    LBU59